IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

[Doug]

try reading the second chapter .
then read verse thirty one . OH YES PETER DID PREACH The death and RESSURECTION of CHRIST .
then read the third chapter , be sure to pay attention to the fifteenth verse .
WE can do this all day my friend . There are other places too . You have been greatly decieved .
But i am praying when you read this you will realize your error and repent
Be not as the many who try and twist things to maintain your lie . JUST repent . its easy .

Peter did indeed the resurrection but Acts 2:31 and Acts 3:15 simply states that he was resurrected
Peter said he was resurrected to sit on the throne of David in the kingdom ......................[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;...................he dint preach he was resurrected for our justification unto eternal life..................[Rom 4:25 KJV] 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

 

[Doug]

but if you like i can show you where HE did preach the other too .

But you never did show me where Peter preached remission of sins by his blood. If you did it would change my mind

 

[LoveYeshua]

Peter did indeed the resurrection but Acts 2:31 and Acts 3:15 simply states that he was resurrected
Peter said he was resurrected to sit on the throne of David in the kingdom ......................[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;...................he dint preach he was resurrected for our justification unto eternal life..................[Rom 4:25 KJV] 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

yes Doug he did preach the resurrection and remission of sins you missed it ,it is in acts he did preach this resurrection here they are again.

Acts 5:30–32​

“The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree.
Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Peter continues this same theme later before the council in Acts 4:10–12:

“By the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead… Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Here Peter clearly links the resurrection to salvation. He is saying that because Jesus was raised, He alone can save — and salvation means deliverance from sin and death into eternal life with God.

when will you listen.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@Doug
Even though Acts doesn’t record him saying it openly, Peter clearly understood and taught that the blood of Christ was the means of atonement.

In 1 Peter 1:18–19 (NKJV), he wrote:

“knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,
but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.”

Peter shows full understanding that Jesus’ blood is the price of redemption — the true atonement sacrifice. How could he not understand or know this he was a witness to all of it and Jesus whom they followed told them.

He also said in 1 Peter 2:24:

“who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.”

That is atonement explained clearly — Jesus carried our sins in His body, just as the sin offering carried the guilt of the people under the Law.

 

[Doug]

yes Doug he did preach the resurrection and remission of sins you missed it ,it is in acts he did preach this resurrection here they are again.

Acts 5:30–32​

Peter continues this same theme later before the council in Acts 4:10–12:


Here Peter clearly links the resurrection to salvation. He is saying that because Jesus was raised, He alone can save — and salvation means deliverance from sin and death into eternal life with God.

when will you listen.

Peter did preach remission of sins, but not by the blood. Peter preached it by his name.......................
[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[Act 10:43 KJV] 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins................You cant say he knew it but taught it, taught it how? there is nothing recorded by what he said to verify this. You are making scripture say what is not even there.

 

[Doug]

@Doug
Even though Acts doesn’t record him saying it openly, Peter clearly understood and taught that the blood of Christ was the means of atonement.

In 1 Peter 1:18–19 (NKJV), he wrote:


Peter shows full understanding that Jesus’ blood is the price of redemption — the true atonement sacrifice. How could he not understand or know this he was a witness to all of it and Jesus whom they followed told them.

He also said in 1 Peter 2:24:


That is atonement explained clearly — Jesus carried our sins in His body, just as the sin offering carried the guilt of the people under the Law.

[1Pe 1:18-19 KJV] 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Here Peter is only relaying what was written in Hebrews..........................[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance..............Jesus redeemed the sins of Israel under the first testament,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Heb 9:22 KJV] 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.................Israel's new testament required the shedding of blood for remission of sins..................this says nothing of our forgiveness by his blood

 

[Fred J]

but it darn sure does not produce the SECOND birth .
IN fact we are to ONLY BAPTIZE THOSE WHO ARE BORN AGAIN , WHOSE FAITH IS ALREADY IN JESUS and have
THUS BEEN BORN AGAIN . you dont baptize the dead , you baptize the born again .
WHO WERE ALREADY BORN OF GOD , BY THE SPIRIT , whose faith BE IN CHRIST . now PONDER on that for a bit .

Hey amigo and NJ, likewise enjoy in being wise in your own conceit wild charade.

'Water Baptism' is darn well in the production of the 'Second Birth'.

In order for a man to 'see' the Kingdom of GOD first, he be born again/from above. (John 3:3)

Next, in order for a man to 'enter' the Kingdom of GOD second, he be born of water and of the Holy Ghost. (John 3:5)

Acts 2:
38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hey amigo and NJ, likewise enjoy in being wise in your own conceit wild charade.

'Water Baptism' is darn well in the production of the 'Second Birth'.

In order for a man to 'see' the Kingdom of GOD first, he be born again. (John 3:3)

Next, in order for a man to 'enter' the Kingdom of GOD second, he be born of water and of the Holy Ghost. (John 3:5)

Acts 2:
38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The water OF the WORD . In fact only the born again
THOSE WHO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , may be water baptized .
The water is not the wombs water
Nor the water of any lake or etc
IT IS THE WATER OF THE WORD . So may that sink down deep .
AND as i said before , I am not an advocate in any way to try and omit the water baptism .
EVEN peter had the house of cornelioius water baptized after they of course were born again
and had already even been baptized b y teh SPIRIT .
for he heard them speak with tongues . SO i know we ought to be water baptized
Its our answer , our response TO he who has saved us .
The water is THE WATER OF THE WORD . And the WORD is CHRIST JESUS , his gospel. TIME
to remind all of the absolute dire necessity to have no part with interfaith ecumincal whoredome
and rather get busy preaching JESUS to the peoples .

 

[keithr]

[1Pe 1:18-19 KJV] 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Here Peter is only relaying what was written in Hebrews..........................[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance..............Jesus redeemed the sins of Israel under the first testament,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Heb 9:22 KJV] 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.................Israel's new testament required the shedding of blood for remission of sins..................this says nothing of our forgiveness by his blood

Don't pick verses out of context, but read more of the context. Paul says we are saved by the blood of Jesus - Hebrews 9:13-14 (WEB):

(13) For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify to the cleanness of the flesh:​

(14) how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without defect to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?​

Hebrews 9:22-28 (WEB):

(22) According to the law, nearly everything is cleansed with blood, and apart from shedding of blood there is no remission.​

(23) It was necessary therefore that the copies of the things in the heavens should be cleansed with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.​

(24) For Christ hasn’t entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;​

(25) nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest enters into the holy place year by year with blood not his own,​

(26) or else he must have suffered often since the foundation of the world. But now once at the end of the ages, he has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.​

(27) Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment,​

(28) so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, without sin, to those who are eagerly waiting for him for salvation.​

Peter also said that we are redeemed by the blood of Jesus - 1 Peter 1:18-19 (WEB):

(18) knowing that you were redeemed, not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, from the useless way of life handed down from your fathers,​

(19) but with precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish or spot, the blood of Christ;​

 

[Doug]

You asked me to show you where peter preached the ressurection , I DID .
but if you like i can show you where HE did preach the other too .

You can only provide imogees and are unable to uphold your beliefs by scripture. This is because in Acts Peter said nothing about being justified by his blood or his resurrection

 

[Doug]

Don't pick verses out of context, but read more of the context. Paul says we are saved by the blood of Jesus - Hebrews 9:13-14 (WEB):

(13) For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify to the cleanness of the flesh 14) how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without defect to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

The boof of Hebrews is written to the believing remnant of Israel who were scattered by the persecution of Paul......................[Act 8:1 KJV] 1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles................They were being urged not to revert back to the Levitical temple system to avoid persecution.......................[Heb 7:11 KJV] 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Yes we are justified by faith in his blood but that was not revealed until Jesus revealed it to Paul and formed the church the body of Christ. The church in Hebrew is not our church and Hebrews does not give us our doctrine. Our doctrine comes from Paul's epistles.

Hebrews cant apply to us......do we worship in the temple under the Levitical priesthood?

 

[keithr]

Yes we are justified by faith in his blood but that was not revealed until Jesus revealed it to Paul and formed the church the body of Christ. The church in Hebrew is not our church and Hebrews does not give us our doctrine. Our doctrine comes from Paul's epistles.

There is only one Christian faith, and the believing Hebrews were baptised into the same one faith as all other Christians.

1 Corinthians 12:13 WEB

(13) For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.​

Ephesians 4:4-5 WEB

(4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling;​

(5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism,​

The word Church (ekklesia) means 'those called out'. There is just the one same calling out from the world.

Hebrews cant apply to us......do we worship in the temple under the Levitical priesthood?

Hebrews 12:1-2 WEB

(1) Therefore let’s also, seeing we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let’s run with perseverance the race that is set before us,​

(2) looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising its shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.​

So if Hebrews doesn't apply to you then Jesus is not the author and perfecter of your faith. There is only one true faith. Paul did not form the Church (nor a new faith), he became a member of it. Jesus formed the Church - Matthew 16:18 MKJV

(18) And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.​

 

[Doug]

There is only one Christian faith, and the believing Hebrews were baptised into the same one faith as all other Christians.

1 Corinthians 12:13 WEB

(13) For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.​

Ephesians 4:4-5 WEB

(4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling;​

(5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism,​

The word Church (ekklesia) means 'those called out'. There is just the one same calling out from the world.


Hebrews 12:1-2 WEB

(1) Therefore let’s also, seeing we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let’s run with perseverance the race that is set before us,​

(2) looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising its shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.​

So if Hebrews doesn't apply to you then Jesus is not the author and perfecter of your faith. There is only one true faith. Paul did not form the Church (nor a new faith), he became a member of it. Jesus formed the Church - Matthew 16:18 MKJV

(18) And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.​

What you say is biblical but not dispensational

 

[GRACE ambassador]

What you say is biblical but not dispensational

Amen! Updated: I Have Decided To Follow Jesus?!
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UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

Prayerfully hoping These will help someone "get OUT of Confusion!"

And, Amen!

 

[keithr]

What you say is biblical but not dispensational

No matter what "dispensation" you refer to, there is just one Christian faith. Galatians 3:21-29 (WEB):

(21) Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could make alive, most certainly righteousness would have been of the law.​

(22) But the Scripture imprisoned all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.​

(23) But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, confined for the faith which should afterwards be revealed.​

(24) So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.​

(25) But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.​

(26) For you are all children of God, through faith in Christ Jesus.​

(27) For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.​

(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.​

(29) If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring and heirs according to promise.​

It doesn't matter whether you believed in Jesus before or after Paul started his teaching, if you believed then you are a member of the one "body of Christ". 1 Corinthians 11:3 (WEB):

(3) But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.​

Ephesians 4:11-16 (WEB):

(11) He gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, shepherds and teachers;​

(12) for the perfecting of the saints, to the work of serving, to the building up of the body of Christ;​

(13) until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;​

(14) that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error;​

(15) but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, Christ;​

(16) from whom all the body, being fitted and knit together through that which every joint supplies, according to the working in measure of each individual part, makes the body increase to the building up of itself in love.​

Jesus is the head of the Church, and there is only one Church. The Hebrews were/are a part of the Church. Paul said they were - Hebrews 3:1 (WEB):

(1) Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Jesus;​

Yes we are justified by faith in his blood but that was not revealed until Jesus revealed it to Paul and formed the church the body of Christ. The church in Hebrew is not our church and Hebrews does not give us our doctrine. Our doctrine comes from Paul's epistles.

Paul taught about the blood of Christ in 1 Corinthians, Ephesians and Romans. 1 Corinthians was written in around 53-57 AD, Romans was written in around 57-58 AD, Ephesians in around 60-64 AD. Hebrews was written between 64 and 70 AD. Therefore there is no reason to think that the Hebrews were not part of "our church" or that they believed differently to the non-Hebrew members of the Church.

 

[Marvelloustime]

The water OF the WORD . In fact only the born again
THOSE WHO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , may be water baptized .
The water is not the wombs water
Nor the water of any lake or etc
IT IS THE WATER OF THE WORD . So may that sink down deep .
AND as i said before , I am not an advocate in any way to try and omit the water baptism .
EVEN peter had the house of cornelioius water baptized after they of course were born again
and had already even been baptized b y teh SPIRIT .
for he heard them speak with tongues . SO i know we ought to be water baptized
Its our answer , our response TO he who has saved us .
The water is THE WATER OF THE WORD . And the WORD is CHRIST JESUS , his gospel. TIME
to remind all of the absolute dire necessity to have no part with interfaith ecumincal whoredome
and rather get busy preaching JESUS to the peoples .

@amigo de christo

 

[Doug]

No matter what "dispensation" you refer to, there is just one Christian faith. Galatians 3:21-29 (WEB):

(21) Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could make alive, most certainly righteousness would have been of the law.​

(22) But the Scripture imprisoned all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.​

(23) But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, confined for the faith which should afterwards be revealed.​

(24) So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.​

(25) But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.​

(26) For you are all children of God, through faith in Christ Jesus.​

(27) For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.​

(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.​

(29) If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring and heirs according to promise.​

It doesn't matter whether you believed in Jesus before or after Paul started his teaching, if you believed then you are a member of the one "body of Christ". 1 Corinthians 11:3 (WEB):

(3) But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.​

Ephesians 4:11-16 (WEB):

(11) He gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, shepherds and teachers;​

(12) for the perfecting of the saints, to the work of serving, to the building up of the body of Christ;​

(13) until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;​

(14) that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error;​

(15) but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, Christ;​

(16) from whom all the body, being fitted and knit together through that which every joint supplies, according to the working in measure of each individual part, makes the body increase to the building up of itself in love.​

Jesus is the head of the Church, and there is only one Church. The Hebrews were/are a part of the Church. Paul said they were - Hebrews 3:1 (WEB):

(1) Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Jesus;​

Paul taught about the blood of Christ in 1 Corinthians, Ephesians and Romans. 1 Corinthians was written in around 53-57 AD, Romans was written in around 57-58 AD, Ephesians in around 60-64 AD. Hebrews was written between 64 and 70 AD. Therefore there is no reason to think that the Hebrews were not part of "our church" or that they believed differently to the non-Hebrew members of the Church.

No matter what "dispensation" you refer to, there is just one Christian faith. Galatians 3:21-29 (WEB):

In all ages faith is by grace and believing God's word

It doesn't matter whether you believed in Jesus before or after Paul started his teaching, if you believed then you are a member of the one "body of Christ". 1 Corinthians 11:3 (WEB)

Both the believers in Christ before or after Paul are members of the church. However they were members of different churches. The believers before Paul believed Jesus and the twelve. They believed the gospel of the kingdom and believed on the name of Jesus, that he was the Christ, the Son of God. they were the believing remnant of Israel who will inherit the earthly kingdom. Jesus formed this church.
Jesus also revealed to Paul he was forming the church the body of Christ and would be the head, This church would inherit heavenly places.
I am not threating your salvation but am only giving you what the Bible teaches

Jesus is the head of the Church, and there is only one Church. The Hebrews were/are a part of the Church. Paul said they were - Hebrews 3:1 (WEB):

The believers in the remnant of Israel were in Christ just as the body of Christ and were brethren. God was reconciling the earth thru the remnant church and the heavens by the body of Christ

Paul taught about the blood of Christ in 1 Corinthians, Ephesians and Romans. 1 Corinthians was written in around 53-57 AD, Romans was written in around 57-58 AD, Ephesians in around 60-64 AD. Hebrews was written between 64 and 70 AD. Therefore there is no reason to think that the Hebrews were not part of "our church" or that they believed differently to the non-Hebrew members of the Church.

I think the book of Hebrews was written to the believing remnant of Israel church who were scattered and enduring persecution. I dont intend to go into historical events but Paul scattered the church of the believing remnant in Acts 8:1 into Judea. From Judea they may well have made their way thru the Roman empire and into Rome where they were persecuted by Nero around the same period the book of Hebrews is alleged to have been written

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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To the trenches dear sister and all .

 

[Marvelloustime]

You do agree Eternal life is ONLY IN CHRIST JESUS and one must BELEIVE IN HIM .
Right .
Now go read in acts and see what Peter tells them
See for you . Not only did peter preach it
so would paul later in acts . Oh they all preached it my friend .
YA been sitting under doctrine twisters my friend .

@amigo de christo

 

[Fred J]

@amigo de christo
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Acts 2:
38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Apostle Peter named the 'rock', on whom Christ's church will be built upon, proclaimed and 'bound' on earth 'water baptism as essential for the remission of sins'.

Therefore is 'bound' in Heaven as well, and it is legitimate to what John the Baptist preached and conducted in the beginning.

And also legitimate to what Jesus said to Nicodemus about a man born again/ from above able to 'see' (John3:3), ought to do further in order to 'enter' the Kingdom of GOD (John3:5).

Therefore church which prevent 'water baptism', and proclaim not essential to the second birth, or of no effect nor whatsoever, are workers of 'iniquity/lawlessness'. (Matthew 7:21-23)


Acts 16:
33. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

Also is legitimate as above and similar to Cornelius and his house, they were born again/from above able to first 'see' the Kingdom of GOD. (John3:3)

Therefore they perceived the message of the Gospel and believed, hence were saved beforehand than anything else.

And then nevertheless essentially yet followed by 'water baptism', and thus finally receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. (John35)

Even Paul did not 'debunk' water baptism, since he first ministered the Gospel unto salvation to the jailer and household, and finally did water baptized them.

His commission given by the Lord, is not to water baptize, but to proclaim the Gospel unto salvation, and nevertheless yet he did water baptized a few.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord and God.