Is this what we can look forward to?

[JimParker]

Foreign-owned shops in South Africa have been attacked and looted in east Johannesburg, the latest in a series of xenophobic attacks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32347305

What will happen to the additional tens of thousands of families that the Obama administration is moving from central America to the USA to be "reunited" with the children who were illegally brought into the country last summer?

Will they be competing for low level jobs with unemployed, low skilled, American Citizens?

 

[pom2014]

Xenophobic

What will happen to the additional tens of thousands of families that the Obama administration is moving from central America to the USA to be "reunited" with the children who were illegally brought into the country last summer?

Will they be competing for low level jobs with unemployed, low skilled, American Citizens?

Why what a very apt word. Xenophobic.

How would I describe this post?

Hmmm.

Xenophobic?

 

[JimParker]

Why what a very apt word. Xenophobic.

How would I describe this post?

Hmmm.

Xenophobic?

You totally missed the point. Are we creating potentially the same problem for ourselves???

What can we do to integrate all those people into our society?

We can't just put them all on welfare and leave them there for generation after generation. There needs to be opportunities for them.

They're here. They're not going home. There aren't jobs for them. Lets do something productive and not have the problems they're having in SA!

 

[DogLady19]

As long as the US is the largest buyer of slaves in the world, we will be responsible for the desperate parents who send their children through dangerous terrain to get across our southern border.

If we want these children and their parents to stay in their own country, we will have to stop making human trafficking so profitable. We have border patrol and federal agents who take bribes and protect traffickers. Impoverished Central American countries are dominated by the slave industry. If you refuse to work for them, then you will perish.

I think many Americans are incredibly sheltered and have not been exposed to real poverty and oppression, and the desperate measures parents will take to get their kids out of it.

We have perverts in this country who make traffickers filthy rich... as long as there are millions to be made, we will not stop parents from trying to get their kids to safety and economic opportunities.

We turn a blind eye to their suffering. We blame them for something we are as much responsible for as the criminals we protect.

I find it disturbing that we focus on the hungry and scared people who sneak across our borders, but we rarely hear about the truckloads of slaves stopped at the manned border check-points.

You want to stop illegal immigration? Then go after the US citizens who profit from it!

The children from Central America that we are helping at this time have received refugee status... something that we would hope to be granted to our child of they had been turned into sex slaves. Maybe Americans should stop raping these children so they can stay in their own country without the risk of being sold to an American pervert!

 

[pom2014]

You totally missed the point. Are we creating potentially the same problem for ourselves???

What can we do to integrate all those people into our society?

We can't just put them all on welfare and leave them there for generation after generation. There needs to be opportunities for them.

They're here. They're not going home. There aren't jobs for them. Lets do something productive and not have the problems they're having in SA!

There is plenty of work IF the US would stop arming themselves as if at war and put it into the crumbling infrastructure and lack of public transport.

There are bridges in dire need of repair. There are roads congested that need help. There are areas that need new schools, public buildings, highways and public transport.

There was a time where people could get jobs doing these things in the US. It was between 1933 and 1965. Now you have a huge population to do it and a fervent need because of that population.

 

[DogLady19]

There is plenty of work IF the US would stop arming themselves as if at war and put it into the crumbling infrastructure and lack of public transport...

Right on! I totally agree. Infrastructure jobs are what allowed the economy to recover after the Great Depression. Today, many of us enjoy the parks, scenery and the neighborhoods opened to us after bridges were built and highways were improved by our grandparents.

One of Detroit's biggest mistakes that led to their demise was their refusal to re-build the bridges that kept their industries supplied and their products moved out. Other arrears of our country should take heed...

 

[JimParker]

There is plenty of work IF the US would stop arming themselves as if at war and put it into the crumbling infrastructure and lack of public transport.

There are bridges in dire need of repair. There are roads congested that need help. There are areas that need new schools, public buildings, highways and public transport.

There was a time where people could get jobs doing these things in the US. It was between 1933 and 1965. Now you have a huge population to do it and a fervent need because of that population.

<< There is plenty of work IF the US would stop arming themselves as if at war>>

That is wrong on a couple of levels.

First:

18% of our federal budget goes to defense.
59% of our budget goes to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and safety net programs.

Second: If there is no "strongman" to defend against the aggressors in the world, the thugs will rule the world. If there is not a militarily strong USA, then we cede the world to the Red Chinese thugs, the Muslim thugs, and Vladimir Putin.

<<There was a time where people could get jobs doing these things in the US.>>

Now there is no money to do them because of years of increasingly overbearing government regulation of business which has forced outsourcing of work to Asia, increased difficulty to run a regulation compliant small business in the USA, and the resulting recession and reduced tax base. Meanwhile, the benefits provided to people who are not participating in the workforce, and therefore not paying taxes, has increased.

The current anti-business, anti-capitalist" administration has exacerbated that situation, perhaps as part of Obama's plan for "profound change" from a capitalist economy to a socialist economy like those which have consistent;y failed around the world.

Where does our government choose to spend our tax dollars (besides the 36 failed, Obama's buddies, "Solyndra" businesses subsidized by tax dollars)?

Here's an example:

http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-spent-410265-studying-satisfaction-levels-of-young-gay-mens-first-time/

 

[DogLady19]

18% of our federal budget goes to defense.
59% of our budget goes to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and safety net programs.
CORRECTION: safety net programs are 29% (not 59%) of our budget

Second: If there is no "strongman" to defend against the aggressors in the world, the thugs will rule the world. If there is not a militarily strong USA, then we cede the world to the Red Chinese thugs, the Muslim thugs, and Vladimir Putin.
You seem to be making two assumptions here:

1) That our military might is the one thing we are doing that has prevented China, Russia and the "Muslim thugs" from invading our country and taking it over.
2) That China, Russia and the "Muslim thugs" are capable of invading our country and taking it over, and they have a desire to do so.

I'm curious how you explain the fact that the more we spend on military might, the more enemies we make. Abuse of power does not make us safer... and when we go outside of the parameters of our Constitution, we are abusing our power.

Our nation is supposed to be a role model of liberty and peace, not of might. Our strength is in our moral character, not in how many bombs and battleships we own. We cannot impose our way of life and society on other soveriegn nations, and it is obvious that such hegemony is the root of our biggest conflicts with other countries.

I'll remind you of Benjamin Harrison's wise words: "We Americans have no commission from God to police the world."


Now there is no money to do them because of years of increasingly overbearing government regulation of business...
To put that into perspective: Defense is 3% GDP and Safety Net is 5% GDP. And I doubt seriously that our poorest citizens are responsible for our debt crisis. I think it has more to do with the welfare we pay to corrupt billionaires than it does with our elderly and disabled who make up the majority of Safety Net budget, along with the high cost of military retirement benefits, the cost of triple-dipping veterans who get social security, VA disability plus retirement benefits, life-long medical/mental health for veterans, and family/survivor support...

 

[JimParker]

18% of our federal budget goes to defense.
59% of our budget goes to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and safety net programs.

CORRECTION: safety net programs are 29% (not 59%) of our budget

Second: If there is no "strongman" to defend against the aggressors in the world, the thugs will rule the world. If there is not a militarily strong USA, then we cede the world to the Red Chinese thugs, the Muslim thugs, and Vladimir Putin.
You seem to be making two assumptions here:

1) That our military might is the one thing we are doing that has prevented China, Russia and the "Muslim thugs" from invading our country and taking it over.
2) That China, Russia and the "Muslim thugs" are capable of invading our country and taking it over, and they have a desire to do so.

I'm curious how you explain the fact that the more we spend on military might, the more enemies we make. Abuse of power does not make us safer... and when we go outside of the parameters of our Constitution, we are abusing our power.

Our nation is supposed to be a role model of liberty and peace, not of might. Our strength is in our moral character, not in how many bombs and battleships we own. We cannot impose our way of life and society on other soveriegn nations, and it is obvious that such hegemony is the root of our biggest conflicts with other countries.

I'll remind you of Benjamin Harrison's wise words: "We Americans have no commission from God to police the world."


Now there is no money to do them because of years of increasingly overbearing government regulation of business...
To put that into perspective: Defense is 3% GDP and Safety Net is 5% GDP. And I doubt seriously that our poorest citizens are responsible for our debt crisis. I think it has more to do with the welfare we pay to corrupt billionaires than it does with our elderly and disabled who make up the majority of Safety Net budget, along with the high cost of military retirement benefits, the cost of triple-dipping veterans who get social security, VA disability plus retirement benefits, life-long medical/mental health for veterans, and family/survivor support...

<<CORRECTION: safety net programs are 29% (not 59%) of our budget>>

I didn't say SAFETY NET PROGRAMS were 59% of the budget. Go back and read it again.

I said nothing about anyone invading out country.

<<I'm curious how you explain the fact that the more we spend on military might, the more enemies we make. >>

Since that is nonsense and not a fact, there is nothing to explain.

<<Our nation is supposed to be a role model of liberty and peace, not of might. >>

Says WHO???? Is that in the Declaration of Independence? The Constitution?

Would being a "role model of liberty and peace," have dissuaded Hitler? ISIS? The Muslim Brotherhood?

Being a role model doesn't stop thugs. Being ready, willing an able to kick the thugs' behinds does.

<<it is obvious that such hegemony is the root of our biggest conflicts with other countries.>>

Better tell Obama.


U.S. Warships Head To Yemen To Intercept Iranian Weapons Shipmentshttp://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...yemen-to-intercept-iranian-weapons-shipments/

Read more: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/#ixzz3XtqXOPD0http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/#ixzz3XtqXOPD0

He just "made a deal" (OK, he didn't even get a handshake and we gave up everything and got nothing) with the world's foremost exporter and supporter of terrorism, Iran. They perceived him (correctly) as a weakling who would do nothing. Now we have to put our troops in harms way because of him trying to be a "role model of liberty and peace"to people who couldn't care less.

In less than a month, Iran is sending arms to IS terrorists in Yemen to support their civil war.


<<I doubt seriously that our poorest citizens are responsible for our debt crisis. >>

I didn't suggest they were.Our debt crisis can be placed at the feet of both houses of congress and the presidents for the last two administration.

The social security debt can be traced back to LBJ who decided that raiding the SS funds would be a good way to pay for both his social programs and his war in Viet Nam. (Plus starting medicare so those funds could be misappropriated too.) Every president and congress from that point forward continued to steal from SS as if the "baby boomers" would never hit 65 and start collecting on the money they had put into the system.

Now we are in a recession that the media and government won't admit to despite the tens of millions of workers not participating in the work force. They're not paying taxes either.
Do the elected representatives we sent to congress address the problem? No they don't even pass a budget! They just pass omnibus bills to fund whatever anyone wants.

To blame our economic woes on military spending is nonsense. Military spending funds civilian jobs at multiple thousands of large and small businesses. It puts millions of people to work.
What is far, far better than a geometrically expanded safety net is a booming economy in which people could get jobs and earn more and have more freedom than they have from depending on the government to take care of them.

Look how well government care works for the American Indians.


So, no, disbanding the US military would not solve our economic problems.

<<I'll remind you of Benjamin Harrison's wise words: "We Americans have no commission from God to police the world.">>


and I'll remind you of Theodore Roosevelt's words, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

Neither would taking all those "corrupt" billionaires' money. That would only fund us for about a half year.

 

[DogLady19]

I said nothing about anyone invading out country...

"I said nothing about anyone invading out country."
Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by: "If there is no "strongman" to defend against the aggressors in the world, the thugs will rule the world." Doesn't "ruling the world" require invasion and taking over??? If not, please explain.

"Since that is not a fact, there is nothing to explain."
Yes, it is a fact... just look at our military budget over the past century and its positive correlation to the number of countries who see us as enemies. It's quite striking and evident.

"To blame our economic woes on military spending is nonsense."
I didn't say that nor imply it. I think we spend plenty on defense. I don't think we should spend more. What is breaking us is related to the serious amount of corruption in our gov't... and that causes enemies too.

"...a booming economy in which people could get jobs and earn more..."
That doesn't help the elderly, the disabled, and children, who make up 70% of our welfare roles.

"Look how well government care works for the American Indians."
So true... and sad... and in a country that has a church on every street corner, there should never be a need for the gov't to take care of our poor and indigenous people... but alas, the Church is not doing it, and someone has to do it. We can't just let people starve to death and their leave their bones to dry in the sun...

 

[JimParker]

"I said nothing about anyone invading out country."
Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by: "If there is no "strongman" to defend against the aggressors in the world, the thugs will rule the world." Doesn't "ruling the world" require invasion and taking over??? If not, please explain.

"Since that is not a fact, there is nothing to explain."
Yes, it is a fact... just look at our military budget over the past century and its positive correlation to the number of countries who see us as enemies. It's quite striking and evident.

"To blame our economic woes on military spending is nonsense."
I didn't say that nor imply it. I think we spend plenty on defense. I don't think we should spend more. What is breaking us is related to the serious amount of corruption in our gov't... and that causes enemies too.

"...a booming economy in which people could get jobs and earn more..."
That doesn't help the elderly, the disabled, and children, who make up 70% of our welfare roles.

"Look how well government care works for the American Indians."
So true... and sad... and in a country that has a church on every street corner, there should never be a need for the gov't to take care of our poor and indigenous people... but alas, the Church is not doing it, and someone has to do it. We can't just let people starve to death and their leave their bones to dry in the sun...

<<Doesn't "ruling the world" require invasion and taking over??? If not, please explain. >>

We don' need to "rule the world." We just need to protect our interests.

Keeping thugs in line simply requires the ability and willingness to use whatever force necessary to prevent the thugs from invading and taking over. For example, had we remained in Iraq until they were thoroughly prepared to deal with any insurrection, there wouldn't be an ISIS problem threatening to cause the entire middle east to be engulfed in war.

As it is, the "Arab Spring" that Barak and Hillary gave us is spreading like wildfire into Yemen and Africa because no one has the military strength to put an end to it. We may even see an alliance between Egypt, Jordan and Israel to deal with the mess our incompetent boob of a president has bestowed upon the world trying to be the friend of the Muslim Brotherhood.

<<just look at our military budget over the past century and its positive correlation to the number of countries who see us as enemies>>

Right! Countries like Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Red China, the USSR all saw us as enemies. Are you that unaware of recent history??? Are you familiar with the words of George Santayana? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. "

<<I didn't say that nor imply it. I think we spend plenty on defense. I don't think we should spend more. What is breaking us is related to the serious amount of corruption in our gov't... and that causes enemies too. >>

No argument there.

<< That doesn't help the elderly, the disabled, and children, who make up 70% of our welfare roles. >>

It most certainly does. A booming economy means fewer people requiring government assistance. It means more people and corporations paying more taxes into the system to support those who are most in need of help.

<<n a country that has a church on every street corner, there should never be a need for the gov't to take care of our poor and indigenous people... but alas, the Church is not doing it, and someone has to do it. We can't just let people starve to death and their leave their bones to dry in the sun... >>

PREACH IT! AMEN!