Is Yeasted Bread A Critical Issue?

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Webers_Home

Well-Known Member
Apr 12, 2012
5,328
873
113
81
Oregon
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
†. Gen 19:3 . . He prepared a feast for them and baked unleavened bread,
and they ate.

Lot's is the very first mention of unleavened bread in the Bible and it won't
show up again until Exodus 12:8 in the Passover meal.

The Hebrew word for "unleavened" is matstsah (mats-tsaw') which means,
specifically: an unfermented cake or loaf; in other words: bread made with
sweet dough rather than sour dough.

It's easy to make sour dough bread without the addition of cultured yeast
simply by putting fresh dough in a warm place and letting nature take its
course because even fresh non-yeasted dough contains a quantity of
naturally-occurring yeast which will cause fresh dough to go bad all by itself
over time without the addition of cultured yeast. So it's not the yeast
content that categorizes bread as leavened or unleavened; it's simply
whether the bread is made with spoiled dough or fresh dough.

†. 1Cor 5:6 . . Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?

In the days prior to baking with cultured yeast, cooks kept a supply of
spoiled dough on hand for mixing with fresh dough and thus considerably
reduced the time required for fermentation by taking advantage of the
spoiled dough's yeast content. They probably didn't know all that much
about the properties of fungi in those days but one thing they did know was
that when they mixed old dough with new and let it set for a bit, the blended
batch tended to make puffy bread due to minute bubbles in the mix; which
today we know was carbon dioxide.

But either way, bread with leavened dough takes longer to make because
time has to be allotted for the yeasts-- either the naturally-occurring yeasts
or the spoiled-dough yeasts --to do their job. So if you're in a hurry to feed
someone, then unfermented dough is the wiser choice; for example: at Ex
12:1-11 the Lord's passover instructions dictate the use of unleavened bread
no doubt due to the urgency of the Jews' departure from Egypt.

†. Ex 12:11 . . And thus shall you eat it: with your loins girded, your shoes
on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste

Point being, the Lord's last supper was a Passover seder: so the bread he
blessed and broke for his men at Mtt 26:26 was made with unfermented
dough. But does that mean communion breads absolutely have to be made
with unfermented dough too?

Buen Camino
/
 

Rach1370

New Member
Apr 17, 2010
1,801
112
0
45
Australia
Wouldn't that be getting back to the letter of the law rather than the spirit of it? Jesus said to have communion in remembrance of him...not because it held some special power...in which it would be necessary to have it all just so. No....if someone was stuck in the middle of no where and has some water and a cracker, they could still have communion. Just my opinion, but I think scripture backs it up...what do you reckon?
 

Foreigner

New Member
Apr 14, 2010
2,583
123
0
Wouldn't that be getting back to the letter of the law rather than the spirit of it? Jesus said to have communion in remembrance of him...not because it held some special power...in which it would be necessary to have it all just so.

-- Exactly.
 

Webers_Home

Well-Known Member
Apr 12, 2012
5,328
873
113
81
Oregon
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
.
Just about every Christian I've ever known and/or encountered sincerely
believes that yeast and leaven are the same thing and would be deeply
offended to be fed a yeasted bread at communion. (When I say yeasted
bread I of course mean a bread made with cultured yeast or the yeast active
in soured dough). For them, yeast is a critical issue and since they represent
a pretty large voting block, I'd say go with non-yeasted bread for
communion purposes just so long as it's baked right away before the
dough's own naturally-occurring yeasts have a chance to turn it.

My own personal concern wouldn't be the yeast but rather; fermentation,
because Christ is stated at Heb 9:14 and 1Pet 9:14 to be a lamb without
blemish or spot. A corrupted dough hardly seems to me fair representation
of the Lord's purity; for example:

†. Luke 12:1 . . Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

The koiné Greek word for "hypocrite" indicates an imaginary persona played
out according to a script. People in Hollywood make big bucks doing that
very thing; costumes and all. But Peter testified that the Christ he knew
wasn't like that.

†. 1Pet 2:22 . . He committed no sin, neither was deceit was found in his
mouth.

Buen Camino
/
 

Foreigner

New Member
Apr 14, 2010
2,583
123
0
Just about every Christian I've ever known and/or encountered sincerely
believes that yeast and leaven are the same thing and would be deeply
offended to be fed a yeasted bread at communion.

-- "Deeply offended?" I have never encountered any such thing.
Every Christian you've known? Are you speaking specifically about Catholics (who are of course Christians).
If you are, I must say that in the decades I was a Catholic, I never once heard this discussed or required.
In the years since I left that Church I have never heard this discussion, either.


I have taken the bread "in remembrance of Me" in at least 15 different states and in nine different countries on three continents.
- Church wafer
- White bread
- Wheat bread
- Rye bread
- Bagel
- Tortilla shell
- Saltine crackers
- Ritz crackers
- Even pizza crust cut away from the pizza.

Many times it was done in homes, summer camps, on college campuses or remote churches - sometimes very short notice - but was done in a prayerful, heartfelt manner.

The 'wine' ended up being:
- Wine
- Grape juice
- Apple juice
- Orange juice
- Kool-aid
- 7-up
- Gatoraid
- Ginger Ale

If we would have had to fill the criteria you listed, the vast majority of opportunities to do what God calls us to do in remembrance of Him simply would not have happened.
 

Webers_Home

Well-Known Member
Apr 12, 2012
5,328
873
113
81
Oregon
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
.
If we would have had to fill the criteria you listed, the vast majority of
opportunities to do what God calls us to do in remembrance of Him simply
would not have happened.

If you were truly sincere about complying with Christ's wishes; you would
shun communion elements that make a mockery out of the Lord's supper.
It's better to go without it than to go about it all wrong.

†. 1Sam 15:23 . . For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and
insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry.

Buen Camino
/
 

us2are1

Son Of Man
Sep 14, 2011
895
26
0
†. Gen 19:3 . . He prepared a feast for them and baked unleavened bread,
and they ate.

Lot's is the very first mention of unleavened bread in the Bible and it won't
show up again until Exodus 12:8 in the Passover meal.

The Hebrew word for "unleavened" is matstsah (mats-tsaw') which means,
specifically: an unfermented cake or loaf; in other words: bread made with
sweet dough rather than sour dough.

It's easy to make sour dough bread without the addition of cultured yeast
simply by putting fresh dough in a warm place and letting nature take its
course because even fresh non-yeasted dough contains a quantity of
naturally-occurring yeast which will cause fresh dough to go bad all by itself
over time without the addition of cultured yeast. So it's not the yeast
content that categorizes bread as leavened or unleavened; it's simply
whether the bread is made with spoiled dough or fresh dough.

†. 1Cor 5:6 . . Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?

In the days prior to baking with cultured yeast, cooks kept a supply of
spoiled dough on hand for mixing with fresh dough and thus considerably
reduced the time required for fermentation by taking advantage of the
spoiled dough's yeast content. They probably didn't know all that much
about the properties of fungi in those days but one thing they did know was
that when they mixed old dough with new and let it set for a bit, the blended
batch tended to make puffy bread due to minute bubbles in the mix; which
today we know was carbon dioxide.

But either way, bread with leavened dough takes longer to make because
time has to be allotted for the yeasts-- either the naturally-occurring yeasts
or the spoiled-dough yeasts --to do their job. So if you're in a hurry to feed
someone, then unfermented dough is the wiser choice; for example: at Ex
12:1-11 the Lord's passover instructions dictate the use of unleavened bread
no doubt due to the urgency of the Jews' departure from Egypt.

†. Ex 12:11 . . And thus shall you eat it: with your loins girded, your shoes
on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste

Point being, the Lord's last supper was a Passover seder: so the bread he
blessed and broke for his men at Mtt 26:26 was made with unfermented
dough. But does that mean communion breads absolutely have to be made
with unfermented dough too?

Buen Camino
/

Yeast is bad for a bodies health. However taking communion is spiritual as is this scriptures.


18 So He said to them, "Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him,
19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?"
20 And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.

The Spirit has power over the flesh. In Christ.