Israel in Egypt

[TallMan]

I'm currently interested in this, past and future.The future is the idea that spiritually this world is Egypt and is & will be plagued until Jesus returned."According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf. They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee." (Micah 7:15-17)"And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." (Rev.11:8) Here's an interesting page on the past plagues, though comparing with the descriptions here and here, he may have got some of the Egyption gods wrong, not sure yet.Bernard Nicklin in "Signposts of History" does a good job of relating them to what happened to society from World War 1 onwards:-waters turned to blood = (1914-18), "the beginning of sorrows" (Matt.24:7-8)frogs = political agitators (1919)lice = unemployment (early 1920s)flies = General Strike (1926)murrain on beasts & fields = Trade depression (29-32)boils = financial crises (29-33)hail and fire = Spanish civil war, WWII (36-45)locusts = property & capital devouved - nationalisation (45-50)darkness = materialism and no faith in God (50s onwards)firstborn slain = death of natural man This broadly concurs with the dates in the ante chamber and kings chamber in The Great Pyramid.Josephus writes concerning Israel in Egypt:-‘They (the Egyptian taskmasters) set them also to build pyramids.’Antiquities of the Jews, II-IX-1Later Pyramids were of mud brick, which would explain why they needed to gather straw and why there were so many of them employed. (see here).Dr Rosalie David in her book: The Pyramid Builders of Ancient Egypt: A modern investigation of Pharaoh’s workforce. writes:‘There are different opinions of how this first period of occupation at Kahun drew to a close. … The quantity, range and type of articles of everyday use which were left behind in the houses may indeed suggest that the departure was sudden and unpremeditated.’ Significantly, these slaves suddenly disappeared, and traditional archaeologists do not know why. It is hardly normal for slaves to suddenly take off en masse, but Dr David wrote, ‘There are different opinions of how this first period of occupation at Kahun drew to a close. … The quantity, range and type of articles of everyday use which were left behind in the houses may indeed suggest that the departure was sudden and unpremeditated.’Sir Flinders Petrie and Rosalie David could not understand the reason for their presence in Egypt because they clung to the traditional dates for the 12th dynasty of Egypt. These are from about 1990 to 1785 BC, whereas the biblical dates for the Israelite presence in Egypt would be from about 1660 to 1445 BC (1 Kings 6:1).David Rohl and David Down, possibly others have explained why, see here.

 

[TallMan]

Seemingly against the above are the findings of chariot wheels in the Red Sea which experts say are from the 18th Dynasty. (here, here)maybe they are counting the dynasties diferently, I don't klnow yet.

 

[Christina]

Spiritually Egypt that's an interesting concept.. I will have to give some further thought to physically Rev.11:8 is Jerusalem.... but a spiritual Egypt could very well be a type, our ensample. Just as Passover is our type our example to how to escape the End times uhmm now you have me thinking ...

 

[TallMan]

Jonathan Gray, author of the last website I mentioned replied to my query saying:-The bottom line for the chariot wheels is the confirmation that they belongto the Thutmoses dynasty, particularly the reign of Thutmoses IV. Thatequates to the 15th century BC in real time. However, because traditional(popular) theory identifies this (erroneously) as 18th Dynasty, we simplyquote the traditionalists as saying this find belongs to what is generally calledthe 18th Dynasty. This helps to pinpoint the date in the minds of the public. To go into lengthy explanations to the public on the old chronology versusnew chronology dating anomaly every time we mention the date of the wheels would require more explanation than most people can handle easily - becausethat is quite a different subject. The old chronology, however, as we know,doesn't fit the whole sweep of Egyptian history.