ISRAEL WILL BE RESTORED

[Doug]

Acts 18:5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

Paul was preaching faith in Jesus to the Jews. Paul was preaching that Jesus is Christ,the Messiah of Israel. Israel, for eternal life, had to believe on the name of Jesus (John 20:31 Acts 9:20 Romans 1:4 John 3:18).

18:6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Israel was diminishing by it's rejection of Christ. Once again Paul warned that he would go to the Gentiles.

Even though Israel has diminished, Israel has only been temporarily set aside.

In the future Israel will be restored.

God will bring Israel into the promised land and will not be removed.

God will give them a new heart to know Him.

Jeremiah 24:6 For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.

24:7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

The future nations will turn to Israel and acknowledge they are God's people.

Zechariah 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

God will fulfill the new covenant to Israel. He will forgive the nation of Israel; will put His laws in their hearts so they will do them, to do what Israel could never do on it's own; Israel will know God and they will be His people.

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Israel will be restored and Christ will be light to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Israel will be a nation of Priests.

Isaiah 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jeremiah 24:6 For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.

24:7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

The future nations will turn to Israel and acknowledge they are God's people.

Doug, again you have taken the English translations as being correct in its context.

Jeremiah 24:6 is not talking about the nation of Israel returning to the land of Canaan as Solemnly promised to be given to them for a period of finite time of around 1,500 years, as a sign that they will receive the whole earth as their inheritance in response to Abraham's question found in Genesis 15:7-8: -

Genesis 15:7-8: - 7 Then He said to him, "I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you {the entity} of this land/earth to inherit it."

8 And he said, "Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?"​

The "earth" in this instance is God's kingdom on the earth.

Your statement/claim: -

Israel was diminishing by it's rejection of Christ.

is not based on the scriptural evidence.

The evidence is that it was Israel's rejection of God that caused the visitation of their iniquities upon them for a period of some 2,000 years. In Exodus 20:4-6 is the first time that God warns the nation of Israel to not begin making Idols and enter into idolatrous worship because the iniquities of idolatrous worship during the first two ages of their existence, for a further period of two ages. Christ came to offer salvation and forgiveness for their idolatrous behaviour, but that offer was rejected by the idolatrous religious leaders of Israel, because they wanted to keep the established status quo that they had established through political intrigue with the Roman establishment and which they were conformable with.

Israel did not reject Christ when they crucified Christ, they were rejecting God.

In the near future, Israel has to repent of their iniquity of rejecting God. When the do God will redeem them.

Shalom

 

[Doug]

Israel did not reject Christ when they crucified Christ, they were rejecting God.

John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

 

[Jay Ross]

John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Doug, I so often feel that way as well. I come to my "own," fellow Christians, and my words are rejected as well. The question I have to ask is, Why are my words rejected?" My words are rejected because my fellow "Christians" have rejected God first, and they have replaced God's wisdom with the thoughts of their own mind/Satan's.

Doug, you have not found the silver bullet to justify your rejection of my words. You are quoting John but you are not answering the question as to why they had rejected their Messiah when He came to change the process whereby their Salvation process would become unacceptable and a new process of Salvation would become the norm which was built on faith by believing in Him and His Blood.

Simply put, Israel did not want to change their idolatrous worship, and Jesus was asking them to change and worship only God, their Father.

Shalom

 

[Doug]

Doug, I so often feel that way as well. I come to my "own," fellow Christians, and my words are rejected as well. The question I have to ask is, Why are my words rejected?" My words are rejected because my fellow "Christians" have rejected God first, and they have replaced God's wisdom with the thoughts of their own mind/Satan's.

Doug, you have not found the silver bullet to justify your rejection of my words. You are quoting John but you are not answering the question as to why they had rejected their Messiah when He came to change the process whereby their Salvation process would become unacceptable and a new process of Salvation would become the norm which was built on faith by believing in Him and His Blood.

Simply put, Israel did not want to change their idolatrous worship, and Jesus was asking them to change and worship only God, their Father.

Shalom

There has always been one provision for the forgiveness of sin, the blood of Christ. Yes, they were rejecting God, just as those who were baptized justified God.

 

[Jay Ross]

There has always been one provision for the forgiveness of sin, the blood of Christ. Yes, they were rejecting God, just as those who were baptized justified God.

Doug, it seems that you have Jesus, since the time of Adam, as the only means for the forgiveness of sins, which is not the case. During OT times the means of forgiveness was gained through the yearly Sin Sacrifice of an animal. Because of Christ's crucifixion, the yearly Sin Sacrifice was done away with and forgiveness was was through faith in the shed Blood of Christ on the Cross.

Man's Salvation was through the Salvation Covenant which has been in vogue since the time of Adam, but the Process of Salvation was modified by CHrist on the Cross. You seem not to understand this.

 

[Timtofly]

If the Cross was the model, then all sacrifices pointed to that model. They new, because the serpent on the cross was an idol, and it only saved from physical death. They did not look at each sacrifice as salvation. They looked at each sacrifice as it did point to the Cross. The Cross was always before them. They knew the Atonement of the Cross, was the only means of Salvation that restores.

That is why they kept turning to other gods and religions. They did not want to face nor accept the truth.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Doug, I so often feel that way as well. I come to my "own," fellow Christians, and my words are rejected as well. The question I have to ask is, Why are my words rejected?" My words are rejected because my fellow "Christians" have rejected God first, and they have replaced God's wisdom with the thoughts of their own mind/Satan's.

Doug, you have not found the silver bullet to justify your rejection of my words. You are quoting John but you are not answering the question as to why they had rejected their Messiah when He came to change the process whereby their Salvation process would become unacceptable and a new process of Salvation would become the norm which was built on faith by believing in Him and His Blood.

Simply put, Israel did not want to change their idolatrous worship, and Jesus was asking them to change and worship only God, their Father.

Shalom

May I suggest your words are rejected by some because they have not received the revelation of that subject....
Milk and Meat...Wisdom and Hidden Wisdom...spiritual minded and carnal minded....line upon line...precept upon precept....we see in part and know in part but in the end all will be revealed....
Are you getting the point?....as a teacher of His Word be patient with those who are where you once were...His Truth when spoken in Love produces much fruit and is powerful...some plant, some water, but it is God who gives the increase.
I hate when someone tries to shove information or Revelation knowledge of His Word down my throat...but I will consider it if they let me meditate on it and seek Him in prayer and scripture...

PS...I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with your teaching...just disagreeing with condemning others for not agreeing.

 

[Jay Ross]

May I suggest your words are rejected by some because they have not received the revelation of that subject....
Milk and Meat...Wisdom and Hidden Wisdom...spiritual minded and carnal minded....line upon line...precept upon precept....we see in part and know in part but in the end all will be revealed....
Are you getting the point?....as a teacher of His Word be patient with those who are where you once were...His Truth when spoken in Love produces much fruit and is powerful...some plant, some water, but it is God who gives the increase.
I hate when someone tries to shove information or Revelation knowledge of His Word down my throat...but I will consider it if they let me meditate on it and seek Him in prayer and scripture...

PS...I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with your teaching...just disagreeing with condemning others for not agreeing.

Heart2Soul, you have quoted from Isaiah 28, and that as we build up our precept upon precept, line upon line, that in the end the following will be the outcome: -

Isaiah 28:13-15

13 But the word of the Lord was to them,

"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,"
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught. ​

14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men,

Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,​

15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death,

And with Sheol we are in agreement.
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
It will not come to us,
For we have made lies our refuge,
And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves."​

But as we read further, it goes on to say: -

Isaiah 28:16-19: - A Cornerstone in Zion

16 Therefore thus says the Lord God:

"Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,
A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
Whoever believes will not act hastily.​

17 Also I will make justice the measuring line,

And righteousness the plummet;
The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies,
And the waters will overflow the hiding place.​

18 Your covenant with death will be annulled,

And your agreement with Sheol will not stand;
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
Then you will be trampled down by it.​

19 As often as it goes out it will take you;

For morning by morning it will pass over,
And by day and by night;
It will be a terror just to understand the report."​

The words here, in this section, speak of salvation based on the stone laid as a foundation, but if the understanding of the stone is lost in our precept upon precept and line upon line, then the foundation becomes a mill stone tied around our necks, ready to be thrown into the Abyss.

Sadly what you saw in my words was a red flag to you, but I was using my experiences with my words that I too am rejected because I come with a very different understanding to the likes of the "teachers" like Doug who have not sat down and meditated on the source texts for the passages they rely on in their translated English Bibles.

Yes, the Holy Spirit does prompt us all, into the pathways of righteous, and our understanding of passages to justify the words we bring, but scriptures like, "Precept upon Precept, Line upon Line," is so often used to justify our flawed understandings, which everyone is not immune from, within the wrong context.

Continued in the next post

 

[Jay Ross]

Let us go to the start of Isaiah 28 and begin to establish the concepts and context of the Chapter: -

Isaiah 28:1-4: - Woe to Ephraim and Jerusalem

28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim,

Whose glorious beauty is a fading flower
Which is at the head of the verdant valleys,
To those who are overcome with wine!​

2 Behold, the Lord has a mighty and strong one,

Like a tempest of hail and a destroying storm,
Like a flood of mighty waters overflowing,
Who will bring them down to the earth with His hand.​

3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim,

Will be trampled underfoot;​

4 And the glorious beauty is a fading flower

Which is at the head of the verdant valley,
Like the first fruit before the summer,
Which an observer sees;
He eats it up while it is still in his hand.​

Now the word "verdant" used to paint the picture with in verses one and four, has the meaning of "(of countryside) green with grass or other rich vegetation," a continuation of the picture of a Land flowing with milk and honey, whereas the Hebrew text is painting a very different and putrid picture of a "valley filled with much fat" from the many sacrifices of animals to gain their "righteousness" for another year where the once glorious beauty is fading like a flower.

I agree with the title of the Thread, but the content of the OP is so far from the scriptural reality that the words become like vomit, that the prophets, not called by God, in Isaiah's day were passing off as "The Words of the Lord."

Nothing has changed all is but vanity.

Shalom

 

[Heart2Soul]

Heart2Soul, you have quoted from Isaiah 28, and that as we build up our precept upon precept, line upon line, that in the end the following will be the outcome: -

Isaiah 28:13-15

13 But the word of the Lord was to them,

"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,"
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught. ​

14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men,

Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,​

15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death,

And with Sheol we are in agreement.
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
It will not come to us,
For we have made lies our refuge,
And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves."​

But as we read further, it goes on to say: -

Isaiah 28:16-19: - A Cornerstone in Zion

16 Therefore thus says the Lord God:

"Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,
A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
Whoever believes will not act hastily.​

17 Also I will make justice the measuring line,

And righteousness the plummet;
The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies,
And the waters will overflow the hiding place.​

18 Your covenant with death will be annulled,

And your agreement with Sheol will not stand;
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
Then you will be trampled down by it.​

19 As often as it goes out it will take you;

For morning by morning it will pass over,
And by day and by night;
It will be a terror just to understand the report."​

The words here, in this section, speak of salvation based on the stone laid as a foundation, but if the understanding of the stone is lost in our precept upon precept and line upon line, then the foundation becomes a mill stone tied around our necks, ready to be thrown into the Abyss.

Sadly what you saw in my words was a red flag to you, but I was using my experiences with my words that I too am rejected because I come with a very different understanding to the likes of the "teachers" like Doug who have not sat down and meditated on the source texts for the passages they rely on in their translated English Bibles.

Yes, the Holy Spirit does prompt us all, into the pathways of righteous, and our understanding of passages to justify the words we bring, but scriptures like, "Precept upon Precept, Line upon Line," is so often used to justify our flawed understandings, which everyone is not immune from, within the wrong context.

Continued in the next post

I don't know if anyone else is having this same issue but everytime you copy and paste something it shows up in one straight line going up and down the right side of your post. I can't even read it because it is all bundled together as one word.:cool:

 

[Jay Ross]

I don't know if anyone else is having this same issue but every time you copy and paste something it shows up in one straight line going up and down the right side of your post. I can't even read it because it is all bundled together as one word.:cool:

That is sad. I am sorry that you have this issue with your display of what I posted. Perhaps you need a new device with which to display posts with, or perhaps you need to adjust the size of your fonts so that more characters can be displayed across the display of your device.

My quoted posts in your responding post to me is as I formatted the content and posted it to the forum.

Or the forum has an issue with its software for the smaller devices now being used. Perhaps if you rotated your device 90° so that the display screen is wider the issue may resolve itself.

To me the problem is with your display system.

Good Luck

PS: - I edited my first responding post to you so that the width of the indentation was reduced. Hopefully this may help you.

 

[Heart2Soul]

That is sad. I am sorry that you have this issue with your display of what I posted. Perhaps you need a new device with which to display posts with, or perhaps you need to adjust the size of your fonts so that more characters can be displayed across the display of your device.

My quoted posts in your responding post to me is as I formatted the content and posted it to the forum.

Or the forum has an issue with its software for the smaller devices now being used. Perhaps if you rotated your device 90° so that the display screen is wider the issue may resolve itself.

To me the problem is with your display system.

Good Luck

PS: - I edited my first responding post to you so that the width of the indentation was reduced. Hopefully this may help you.

It did help on your first page...the second one is still the same problem.

 

[Doug]

Doug, it seems that you have Jesus, since the time of Adam, as the only means for the forgiveness of sins, which is not the case. During OT times the means of forgiveness was gained through the yearly Sin Sacrifice of an animal. Because of Christ's crucifixion, the yearly Sin Sacrifice was done away with and forgiveness was was through faith in the shed Blood of Christ on the Cross.

Man's Salvation was through the Salvation Covenant which has been in vogue since the time of Adam, but the Process of Salvation was modified by CHrist on the Cross. You seem not to understand this.

Jay, I don't think animal sacrifice had any merit.

These animal sacrifices were merely a shadow of Christ's Hebrews 10:1

The blood of animals could never take away sin Hebrews 10:4

The future certainty of the sacrifice of Christ allowed God to be just in forgiving those old testament sins Romans 3:24-25

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, I don't think animal sacrifice had any merit.

These animal sacrifices were merely a shadow of Christ's Hebrews 10:1

The blood of animals could never take away sin Hebrews 10:4

The future certainty of the sacrifice of Christ allowed God to be just in forgiving those old testament sins Romans 3:24-25

Doug, it seems to me that you have a fixation of being a teacher but cannot perceive the teaching steps of God over time to bring about His purposes.