Israel's End-Time Beliefs

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I first wrote this last December for another group I belonged to.

With all this talk about the 12[sup]th[/sup] Imam being the anti-christ, I thought it might be a good idea to review what Israel’s end times beliefs are, something that Glenn Beck didn’t cover. I think their beliefs should weigh more heavily on Christians than what Islam believes. The following are excerpts from an article by Nissan Dovid Dubov on Chabad.org, a website on Jewish beliefs. Their word for Messiah is Mashiach.


“In Talmudic literature the title Mashiach, or Melech Hamashiach, (the King Messiah) is reserved for the Jewish leader who will redeem Israel in the End of Days.

One of the principles of Jewish faith enumerated by Maimonides is that one day there will arise a dynamic Jewish leader, a direct descendant of the Davidic dynasty, who will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem and gather Jews from all over the world and bring them back to the Land of Israel. All the nations of the world will recognise Mashiach to be a world leader and will accept his dominion. In the messianic era there will be world peace, no more wars nor famine and, in general, a high standard of living.


The leadership quality of Mashiach means that through his dynamic personality and example, coupled with manifest humility, he will inspire all people to strive for good. He will transform a seemingly utopian dream into a reality. He will be recognised as a man of G–d with greater leadership qualities than even Moshe (Moses). Our prophets speak of the advent of a human leader, the magnitude of whom the world has not yet experienced. His unique example and leadership will inspire mankind to change direction.
Furthermore, it is clear from the prophets, when studied in their original Hebrew, that Mashiach is a Jewish concept and will entail return to Torah law, firmly ruling out any “other” messianic belief. Mashiach will be a man who possesses extraordinary qualities. He will be proficient in both the written and oral Torah traditions. He will incessantly campaign for Torah observance among Jews and observance of the Seven Universal Noahide Laws by non-Jews. He will be scrupulously observant and encourage the highest standards from others. He will defend religious principles and repair breaches in their observance. Above all, Mashiach will be heralded as a true Jewish King, a person who leads the way in the service of G–d, totally humble yet enormously inspiring.


Jews anticipate the arrival of Mashiach everyday. However, the Talmud states that there is a predestined time when Mashiach will come. If we are meritorious he may come even before that predestined time. This “end of time” remains a mystery, yet the Talmud states that it will be before the Hebrew year 6000.


Any potential Mashiach must be a direct descendant of King David as well as erudite in Torah learning. It should be noted that many people living today can trace their lineage back to King David. The Chief Rabbi of Prague in the 16th Century, Rabbi Yehuda Loew (the Maharal), had a family tree that traced him back to the Davidic dynasty. Consequently, any direct descendant of the Maharal is of Davidic descent.


Maimonides, a great Jewish philosopher and codifier of the 12th Century, rules that if we recognise a human being who possesses the superlative qualities ascribed to Mashiach we may presume that he is the potential Mashiach. If this individual actually succeeds in rebuilding the Temple and gathering in the exiles then he is the Mashiach.


Maimonides states in his Mishnah Torah – a compendium of the entire halachic tradition – that Mashiach will first rebuild the Temple and then gather in the exiles. Jerusalem and the Temple will be the focus of Divine worship and “From Zion shall go forth Torah, and the word of the L–rd from Jerusalem.” The Talmud describes the period immediately prior to the advent of Mashiach as one of great travail and turmoil (
birth pangs). There will be a world recession and governments will be controlled by despots. It is in this troubled setting that Mashiach will arrive.


There is a tradition that a great war will take place, called the war of Gog and Magog, and there is much speculation as to the precise timing of this war in relation to Mashiach’s arrival.


There is a tradition that Elijah the prophet will come to the world and announce the imminent arrival of Mashiach. However, according to other opinions, Mashiach may arrive unannounced. Elijah would then arrive to assist in the peace process. Some suggest that if the Mashiach arrives in his predestined time then Elijah will announce his arrival, but if Mashiach comes suddenly then Elijah will appear after Mashiach has come. As mentioned before, it is unclear as to exactly how these events will unfold. However, this uncertainty does not affect the general matter of Mashiach’s arrival. (end of quoted material)


Remember that Islam is a false religion with false prophets and false prophecies. There never will be a real 12[sup]th[/sup] Imam. However, I wouldn’t put it past the Islamic leaders to “create” one to stimulate the war they so desire. If they do he will most likely be the "Assyrian" of OT prophecy. This WW3 will probably be the event that will bring the Jewish Messiah (Anti-Christ) to the forefront. Remember that the arrival of the Anti-Christ is a Jewish event not an Islamic one. He will come as Israel’s friend and benefactor, not their enemy. His goal is to get them to worship him, instead of God (the abomination of desolation). This what the term “anti” in anti-christ means, not the opposite of, but in place of.
 

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That's it, pretty much. The orthodox Jews are prepared to bow in worship to Messiah, however they are not aware that God is sending a false messiah in Christ's place first, and it's that false messiah they will wrongly accept in place of The Lord Jesus Christ. That will mean danger for those who us who understand this, because we are not going to bow to that false one who comes first, and the majority of the world will wonder why we won't, and then will be turned against us.

Yet an Islamic Imam could serve in the role of the false prophet.

Somehow, all the world's religions must be led to believe in and bow to the coming false messiah, in thinkng he is God. That means the majority of the world must become... that deceived in order to do that. I believe that will be mostly aided by the supernatural miracles and signs that false messiah is supposed to work per prophecy.

Mark 13:22
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
(KJV)

The power of signs and wonders that false one is to do will be almost strong enough in deception that "if it were possible", it would deceive even Christ's elect. We know Christ's elect will not be deceived, for they are called and chosen by Christ. But that's a description of the level of power of those miracles the false messiah is going to do on earth.

What a direct contrast that miracle working on earth will be in comparison with how the majority today are so dependent upon man's science. It's going to take many, many by surprise, maybe even causing fits of shock among some (like atheists), and snap, they'll believe it.
 

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Thanks vet for finally agreeing with me on something <_< :D What gets me is how people can read verses like Matt. 24:24 - "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

and then turn around and believe that a blood-thirsty, warmongering, Islamic leader whose (apparent) sole purpose is to destroy Israel and Christianity (in their eyes) could deceive anyone? No matter how many miracles a guy like this would do, the world won't "follow" that type of leader. They seem to have this picture of the a/c being some frothing at the mouth insane Saddam type character, when in fact the opposite is the most likely scenario.
 

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Thanks vet for finally agreeing with me on something <_< :D What gets me is how people can read verses like Matt. 24:24 - "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

and then turn around and believe that a blood-thirsty, warmongering, Islamic leader whose (apparent) sole purpose is to destroy Israel and Christianity (in their eyes) could deceive anyone? No matter how many miracles a guy like this would do, the world won't "follow" that type of leader. They seem to have this picture of the a/c being some frothing at the mouth insane Saddam type character, when in fact the opposite is the most likely scenario.
Now the debate should go to "what is a false christ and a false prophet"? And who say's the world will follow that type of leader? You and Vet do!

Did you forget that when the Mahdi returns Jesus is said to be his subordinate and follow him around as they walk the countryside!

Did you forget that one doesn't need come in the literal name of Christ to be a false Christ. Just as one doesn't need to come in the name of any prophet. Just as one need not come in the name of Yashua or Jehava to be a false God.
Did you forget...
Islam is counterfeit christianity. A false religion with a false book, a false prophet, a false christ, and a false god, and a false prophetic scenario. (not that you guys believe in a true prophetic scenario!). There will be a false christ come in Islam. He will be the Mahdi's subordinate. But he will not be the antichrist.
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I've read this Thread and it simply added to my astonishment that sincere people continue to condemn all religions not holding to their own core ideology as being "false" an' whatever.
The last time I read the history of religion, there was only a single one which blatantly claimed to be the "one true church" and that was led by the Pope. But I mention this with intended humor.
Basically, EVERY religion can properly be named as 'false'; simply because none of them have the truth an' nuddin' but duh truth ... so help me ... whatever.
Yes, it's very true that some religions have beliefs which seem more bizarre than others; and some other too that are plainly pagan.
Aside from that, what religion in North America teaches the "full truth and nothing but the full truth"?
In my opinion, none of them.
Or, haven't you noticed that about religion?
Religions pigeon-hole everyone into the destructive ideologies which designate everyone's neighbor as being "for us or against us". Religion only possesses the rules and regulations to conduct a moral life; it knows nothing about owning eternal life.
A religion can only tell WHAT we are ... a saint ... "for us" ... a sinner ... "against us".

Why is it that Christians insist on following after the propaganda of the racists and bigots?
Why is it that, for instance, Christians have come to believe that Muslims deserve to be more greatly feared than pedophile priests? There have been far more people wounded and injured by the pedophile priests who have run amok among us than any Muslim group. They have a highway of casualties that make 911 look like child's play.
Why are Mormons perceived as being more deluded than those evangelists who prey on the desperate hopes of people or those preachers who were exposed as living double lives?
Why is it that Jewish folks are considered our spiritual brothers; even though a most rudimentary investigation would disclose them as being the major money investors behind the majority of porn and homosexuality programming on our TV's and the other seeping filth into our culture?

Yes, a religion can only tell us WHAT we are ... a saint ... "for us" ... or, a sinner ... "against us".
But the unadulterated gospel of Jesus is intended to tell us WHO we are ... much more than that! ... who we are to BECOME! Something religion is incapable of giving ... much less, comprehending.

Every religion has been designed to mass produce a product by following a set structure of ingredients.
But the gospel of Jesus was never intended to mass produce people … on the contrary! ... the gospel of Jesus individually creates NEW people.
Even though the manufactured ‘Christian’ has similar appearance and texture, it can never equal the taste of a genuinely ‘created Christian’ which has been individually “home-baked” from within their own inner being by the Word of God.

Religion knows nothing about this hidden treasure within every human: a metamorphosis.
Since every man already knows what they are, they need to discover WHO they are … to become who they are intended to be … to return to their true “beginning”.

Religion and other cultural voices being heard in these days dresses wounded and broken men in thread-bare clothing.
But the Gospel of Jesus restores the wounded and broken so that they are enabled to knit their own garments of white linen!

Personally, I only make the distinction of someone being "faithful" and "unfaithful" ... not "true" or "false". That's because I have learned that no one has the entire complete truth ... but everyone can be either faithful or unfaithful in their search of it.

So, the question should always be: Are we FAITHFUL? Are we seeking the truth? "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life".
 

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Why is it that, for instance, Christians have come to believe that Muslims deserve to be more greatly feared than pedophile priests? There have been far more people wounded and injured by the pedophile priests who have run amok among us than any Muslim group. They have a highway of casualties that make 911 look like child's play.



A pedophile priest isn't bent on dominating the earth by terrorism and demographics. A pedophile priest typically acts on his own. There are about 1.5 million radical Muslim's in the world! A priest doesn't believe that the more people they kill the more virgins they get in paradise. A pedophile priest doesn't want to conquer or convert the earths infidels by spreading biological, chemical, or nuclear contamination. A pedophile priest doesn't behead you simply because you are a Christian or a Jew.

What you need is a brief history of Islam.

Lets start with something just a little more than a hundred years ago.

Take Back the Culture

by Baron Bodissey

The photograph at right shows the ruins of the Agora at Izmir, a Turkish city on the Mediterranean coast of Asia Minor. "Wait a minute," you say; "isn’t the Agora a feature of Greek cities?"

Indeed it is; the agora is the marketplace of a Greek polis. The word aγορά is from aγείρειν, meaning "to gather" or "to collect", and is related to the words "aggregate" and "gregarious". It’s the gathering place at the heart of a Greek city.

And the city of Izmir hasn’t always been called that. Before it became a Turkish city, it had been Smyrna, a major Greek port and trading center for more than two millennia. Even after becoming part of the Ottoman Empire it remained a primarily Christian city, home to many thousands of Greeks and Armenians.

Until 1922, that is. The week of September 11-17, to be precise. During that period the city was occupied by the forces of Mustafa Kemal, a.k.a. Kemal Attaturk. The Christian areas of the city were looted and torched, and the Armenians and the Greeks were driven from their homes to flee the city or be slaughtered. Of the 400,000 Christians resident in the city beforehand, virtually none remained, and more than 190,000 were never accounted for. The Archbishop Chrysostomos was among the victims, murdered at the hands of a mob while under the "protection" of French marines. The city, except for the Turkish quarter, was reduced to a smoking ruin.

So here we are at yet another anniversary. Another 9-11, and also a 9-17.

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Halley's bible handbook say's...and I may have edited it...

In the seventh century, Mohammedanism almost wiped out Christianiy had it not been for Charles Martel. The Papacy reached the height of it's power in the 13th century and has been declining ever since. Mohameddanism has been gaining ever since. Muslim's use to enter walled cities and told people to convert or be beheaded. Then they use to pile up the shulls just outside of the city gates as a reminder of what happens to those who do not convert. Outside of one city, (Baghdad) 80,000 skulls!
 

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Thanks vet for finally agreeing with me on something <_< :D What gets me is how people can read verses like Matt. 24:24 - "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

and then turn around and believe that a blood-thirsty, warmongering, Islamic leader whose (apparent) sole purpose is to destroy Israel and Christianity (in their eyes) could deceive anyone? No matter how many miracles a guy like this would do, the world won't "follow" that type of leader. They seem to have this picture of the a/c being some frothing at the mouth insane Saddam type character, when in fact the opposite is the most likely scenario.

They're listening to men's ideas on that instead of noting those specifics in God's Word. You appear to understand the difference, but maybe not fullly, yet. The final Antichrist will not be a flesh-born man.

Now the debate should go to "what is a false christ and a false prophet"? And who say's the world will follow that type of leader? You and Vet do!

Did you forget that when the Mahdi returns Jesus is said to be his subordinate and follow him around as they walk the countryside!

Did you forget that one doesn't need come in the literal name of Christ to be a false Christ. Just as one doesn't need to come in the name of any prophet. Just as one need not come in the name of Yashua or Jehava to be a false God.
Did you forget...
Islam is counterfeit christianity. A false religion with a false book, a false prophet, a false christ, and a false god, and a false prophetic scenario. (not that you guys believe in a true prophetic scenario!). There will be a false christ come in Islam. He will be the Mahdi's subordinate. But he will not be the antichrist.
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That's real smart sounding, isn't it?

If you don't LIKE us speaking about the coming false messiah-pseudo-Christ that you've been apparently prepared to believe on, then why don't you go somewhere else that doesn't bring up that point in God's Word?

It's my hope that you will 'wake up' before it's too late, so you won't be deceived by that coming pseudo-Christ. If you're Jewish, then know that a lot of your Jewish brethren are being specifically prepared to receive that false messiah in place of Jesus The Christ. (Who knows for sure, maybe you already know that, and are actually here to try and destroy anyone who even brings that matter up! Tough!)