Jacob and Esau

[Curtis]

So be it. There is no point in continuing this conversation as I hold no Calvinist bias in what I might write, and you have an axe to grind/dull.

Sorry that your understanding is so limited on this.

First of all, a grave image is an idol of a false God- Jesus is not a false God.

Secondly, God told Moses to put that serpent on a pole - it was a symbolic foreshadow of Jesus, as Jesus made clear in the scripture I posted, that just as the serpent was lifted up on a pole, so would Jesus.

The rock Moses struck that water came out of was another OT symbology of Jesus, BTW.

 

[Daniel Veler]

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Salvation is based on whom God would call and not because of birthright. Another words the children of God are those based on the mercy of God.

 

[Curtis]

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Salvation is based on whom God would call and not because of birthright. Another words the children of God are those based on the mercy of God.

God didn’t hate Esau. Jesus said we aren’t worthy of Him unless we hate our parents and our whole family. There’s your clue that was a Jewish idiom of that day, that means to love less, not to literally hate.

Jeremiah 18, the potter and clay chapter that Paul was quoting in Romans 9, makes clear that predestination has NOTHING to do with God giving mercy. Gods mercy is given whenever there is repentance. He has mercy on whom He wills, and His will is to grant mercy to those who repent.

I recommend you study Jeremiah 18 carefully.

 

[Randy Kluth]

It quotes what Esau claimed were the facts, it wasn’t a ‘thus sayeth the lord’ revelation, because he gave up his birthright for stew, it wasn’t stolen by Jacob.

Yes, it seems that Esau failed to honor his agreement with Jacob, and Jacob lied to his father keeping him from blessing Esau as he wished to do. I can't see any need to prevent Isaac from blessing the older son, even though he had sold his birthright inheritance?