Jesus became Immortal
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Taken
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Ah okay I see what you're trying to prove.
The word "prepared" is used in the context of a willing servant.
What you are doing is trying to force external error on the text, let me explain.
The phrase “a body you have prepared for me” in Hebrews 10:5 comes from the Septuagint (LXX) the ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. The original Hebrew text of Psalm 40:6 reads, “Mine ears hast thou opened,” which literally means “dug” or “bored.” This is a clear allusion to Exodus 21:5–6 and Deuteronomy 15:16–17, where a bondservant, out of love for his master, voluntarily chooses to remain in lifelong service. The symbolic act of having his ear pierced at the doorpost of his master’s house publicly declared his loyal, loving submission.
This imagery is profound: a willing servant, wholly devoted to his master, attentively listening and ready to obey. It speaks to a holy, lifelong dedication — not out of obligation, but out of love.
In this context, Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of that bondservant. As portrayed in Isaiah 42:1,6 and Isaiah 49:1–7, he is God’s perfect servant. At the same time, he is also the husband of the bride (his people) and the father of spiritual children (Isaiah 53:10). These — the bride and the children are given to him by his Master, the Father (John 17:2,6).
When faced with the choice of freedom or servanthood, Jesus lovingly chooses servanthood. In Gethsemane and on the cross, he declares by action and submission, “I will not go out free, or alone!” Like the servant in the law, his ear is figuratively “pierced” at the door of his Father’s house, signaling his eternal attentiveness and obedience to God’s will (Psalm 40:8; cp. Hebrews 10:7).
So why does the book of Hebrews replace “ears you have opened” with “a body you have prepared for me”? The answer lies in the LXX translation, which interprets the Hebrew idiom with profound insight. The Greek word σῶμα (sōma), meaning “body,” carries a dual sense: it refers not just to the physical body, but also to the slave or servant — a person reduced under Roman law to little more than property, a “body” with no legal standing or rights (see Romans 6:6; 7:24; 8:23; Revelation 18:13; Jude 1:9).
Thus, the LXX translators capture the heart of the message: God didn’t desire ritual sacrifices, but rather a servant, a body prepared to do His will. In quoting the LXX, Hebrews affirms that Jesus, the obedient Servant-Son, came not just with open ears, but with a prepared body — fully submitted in love to the Father’s purpose.
Maybe this insight is new to you Taken?
@Taken - just in case you wouldn't take my word for it 
“A body you prepared for me” is the LXX translation of the Hebrew “ears you have dug” or “my ears you have opened.” Most think this is an interpretive paraphrase of the MT where the Greek translators probably interpreted the Hebrew “ears” with “body.” The LXX translates the Hebrew “my ears you have opened” with this intended sense in mind. The open ear and the yielded body both signify obedience to the will of God. Is this an example of dynamic equivalence at work in translation? It is indeed if the intent is to communicate the concept of obedient service implied in the term “ear.”
David L. Allen, Hebrews, The New American Commentary (Nashville, TN: B & H Publishing Group, 2010), 496.
“A body you prepared for me” is the LXX translation of the Hebrew “ears you have dug” or “my ears you have opened.” Most think this is an interpretive paraphrase of the MT where the Greek translators probably interpreted the Hebrew “ears” with “body.” The LXX translates the Hebrew “my ears you have opened” with this intended sense in mind. The open ear and the yielded body both signify obedience to the will of God. Is this an example of dynamic equivalence at work in translation? It is indeed if the intent is to communicate the concept of obedient service implied in the term “ear.”
David L. Allen, Hebrews, The New American Commentary (Nashville, TN: B & H Publishing Group, 2010), 496.
@Taken This is exactly why it’s so important to approach Bible reading and study without preconceived ideas. When we come to the text with our minds already made up, we risk missing the core lessons it’s trying to teach us, and often end up feeling rather average.
That’s why I’ve been encouraging you to engage with Acts 2:26–29. But it seems you’re resisting, perhaps because it’s not aligning with what you were expecting or wanting it to say.
That’s why I’ve been encouraging you to engage with Acts 2:26–29. But it seems you’re resisting, perhaps because it’s not aligning with what you were expecting or wanting it to say.
Taken
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Taken
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Gods PERFECT Servant, To Teach, Reveal, Offer Created manKIND …
IS / WAS God Himself.
Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Maybe that insight is new to you.
bdavidc
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Your post contains a serious doctrinal error when it claims that Jesus “became immortal” or underwent a “change of nature.” That idea does not come from Scripture. The Bible does not teach that Jesus was a mortal man who had to be transformed into an immortal being. According to Scripture, Jesus Christ is and always has been eternal. John 1:1–4 says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… In Him was life.” That means Jesus, the Word, already possessed life in Himself from eternity. He didn’t need to be given immortality like a created being. He laid aside His glory when He took on flesh (Philippians 2:6–8), but He never ceased to be God.
John 5:26 does not mean that Jesus was given life He didn’t already have. It says, “For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given to the Son to have life in Himself.” That’s not about origin or transformation, it’s about the unity of the Godhead. The Son shares the same self-existent life as the Father, which is why He said, “I am the resurrection, and the life” (John 11:25), before the cross. His divine nature was never subject to death. His human body died, but He took it up again, exactly as He said He would (John 10:17–18). He wasn’t raised by some external force. He had the power to rise because death had no hold on Him (Acts 2:24).
Revelation 1:18 says, “I am He that lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.” That doesn’t describe a change of nature. It declares victory over death through resurrection. Jesus died in His flesh, was buried, and rose in a glorified body (Luke 24:39, 1 Corinthians 15:42–44). That glorified body is immortal, but the person of Jesus Christ never lacked immortality to begin with. He is “the same yesterday, and today, and forever” (Hebrews 13:8).
Acts 2:28, quoting Psalm 16, is about resurrection, not about Jesus receiving immortality. The verse says, “You have made known to me the paths of life.” That’s not about Jesus being granted eternal life, it’s about Him being raised from the dead and not left in the grave (Acts 2:27–32). Jesus was not subject to decay. His body did not see corruption because He is the Holy One.
Psalm 102:27, applied directly to Jesus in Hebrews 1:10–12, says, “You are the same, and your years shall have no end.” That is not a future promise of immortality. It is a declaration of who He is, unchanging and eternal. Psalm 110:3 refers to the strength and glory of the Messiah, not a transformation into an immortal being.
1 Timothy 6:16 says that God “only has immortality.” That means immortality is God's nature. Jesus, being fully God, shares that nature. He didn’t become something He wasn’t. We are the ones who need to “put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:53), not Him. The idea that Jesus was the first to receive immortality is unbiblical. He is the giver of eternal life, not the first recipient of it. Salvation is only possible because He already possessed that life and conquered death for us.
So according to Scripture, not tradition or opinion, Jesus didn’t become immortal. He always was.
This is a false paradigm, one that is not supported by the apostles’ teaching on the true nature of Christ. Honestly, I was hoping the predictable (and often misleading) use of John 1 in this way would come to an end.
Why would you not go to those very clear verses which speak to the Masters nature?
Again, you are forcing your dogma on the text.
You misrepresent Christ's own words for need of making him into something he is not!
"For as the Father has life in Himself, so He (God) has granted the Son also to have life in Himself." — John 5:26
Do you see how this fully supports 1 Timothy 6:13 that God (singular) is the true giver of life?
Throughout Scripture, we see that God is greater than Christ (John 14:28), and that Jesus remains subordinate to the Father, though he reveals Him perfectly. Jesus was sent by God (via His HS Power), lived a sinless life, and now serves as the mediator between God and mankind (1 Timothy 2:5; John 17:3).
This understanding is supported by many passages:
- Jesus' dependence on the Father (John 5:26–30)
- His prayers of submission (Luke 22:42)
- God's role in raising him from the dead (Romans 4:24)
- His future subjection to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24–28)
- And the distinction between God and Jesus in divine purpose (Ephesians 1:3,17; Revelation 1:1)
This is what was given to him by his Father...John 5:19
Because Jesus did not have divine nature.
Provide one verse that shows Jesus had Hypostasis.
Just one!
See, you have no evidence anywhere in the NT that teaches duality of natures - not one!
If Jesus died and could decay then he had your nature, right!
Hebrews 2:14-18
14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, Jesus himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,
15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery.
16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's offspring.
17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
You know bd, I can show you 10 verses that prove Jesus had your nature and you cannot show me one that proves he had two.
Rather telling if you ask me.
How did GOd have victory of sin's flesh?
Look up Romans 8:3.
His flesh body was changed to a glorified body - Paul speaks of it as being "put on".
Lol, you have no idea of what Acts 2 is teachings.
1:3 concerning his Son who was a descendant of David with according to the flesh, 1:4 who was appointed the Son-of-God-in-power according to the Holy Spirit by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom 1:2–4.
From inherited flesh to divine nature BY the resurrection from the dead.
This is where it becomes interesting, because you cannot make a distinction between Christ in the flesh, from Christ as the Son of God with Power by the resurrection of the dead.
The Word of God does because he is the firstfruits of them who are given Life (eternal)
We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. Romans 6:9
Once again you don't understand the nature of Christ. He would have decayed if left in that grave, but God promised he would not allow him to decay.
I know why you have to wrest the text like this and its terribly obvious.
Bd, you have more than a few issues to overcome and finding a verse to support hypostasis, is the least of those problems.
As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35) and, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (for Life) except through me” (John 14:6).
“I live because of the Father” (John 6:57), and again, “As the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Paul’s declaration in 1 Timothy simply reflects what Jesus himself had already taught: that true, self-existing immortality belongs only to the Father.
Read it carefully and you will see why and how Jesus is the first fruits of them that sleep. You will also see how high God exalted His Son in raising him from the dead and blessing him with Life Eternal.
The first of his brothers!
For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he (Jesus) is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name (God's Name) to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation, I will sing your praise.” Hebrews 2:11-12
I have a prophecy confirming this is true
I have the words of Jesus confirming this is true
I have the words of Paul confirming this is true
What I don't have is you confirming this is true!
@bdavidc
The Bible is abundantly clear on this matter:
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 5:12 The one who has the Son has this eternal life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have this eternal life. 1 Jn 5:11–12.
If you say that God did not give the Son life, as revealed through David, by Jesus, and the Apostle Paul, then you are essentially denying that Jesus is the firstborn of those who have fallen asleep and the firstborn from the dead.
What you have is a mascaraed and no real victory over sin's flesh. You make a mockery of his temptations and suffering in the flesh along with all the daily agony he experienced in overcoming its natural desires.
You have a hybrid god-man who wasn't really tempted in all points as we are yet without sin....you possibly have a godman who cannot sin!
But no, Jesus and all Christ's brothers have one source of Life!
God Almighty
6:16 He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen 1 Ti 6:16.
Amen
The Bible is abundantly clear on this matter:
- God has life inherently (by nature, self-existing).
- Angels and Christ (in his glorified state) have life derivatively, granted to them by the Father.
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 5:12 The one who has the Son has this eternal life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have this eternal life. 1 Jn 5:11–12.
If you say that God did not give the Son life, as revealed through David, by Jesus, and the Apostle Paul, then you are essentially denying that Jesus is the firstborn of those who have fallen asleep and the firstborn from the dead.
What you have is a mascaraed and no real victory over sin's flesh. You make a mockery of his temptations and suffering in the flesh along with all the daily agony he experienced in overcoming its natural desires.
You have a hybrid god-man who wasn't really tempted in all points as we are yet without sin....you possibly have a godman who cannot sin!
But no, Jesus and all Christ's brothers have one source of Life!
God Almighty
6:16 He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen 1 Ti 6:16.
Amen
bdavidc
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We’ve already gone over the key Scriptures that prove Jesus didn’t become immortal, He is life (John 14:6), He had the power to raise Himself (John 10:17–18), and death could not hold Him (Acts 2:24). You keep sidestepping those truths by repeating the same claims and ignoring the clear context.
You’re treating verses that speak of Jesus taking on human flesh as if they erase His divine nature, when in fact they prove it. The Son of God took on a real human body to die, but that doesn’t mean He stopped being who He always was (Hebrews 13:8). You’ve been shown how the Word became flesh (John 1:14), how He existed before Abraham (John 8:58), and how His resurrection didn’t give Him something He lacked, it revealed what was already true (Romans 1:4).
There’s no point repeating what you refuse to hear. Titus 3:10 says, “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.” We’ve gone well past that. You’re not interested in what Scripture actually says, only in forcing your view onto it.
If you want to keep denying the eternal Son of God, that’s on you. But don’t pretend your view is biblical. It isn’t. And we’re done going in circles.
You know this willing ignorance will become rather boring if you fail to acknowledge the truth about these matters.
John 10:18 (ESV): "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father."
The irony is whenever you post something I'm having to correct you every time.
Will this continue?
A DEAD man cannot raise himself
- Acts 2:24
“God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.” - Acts 2:32
“This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.” - Acts 3:15
“And you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.” - Acts 4:10
“Let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man stands before you healed.” - Acts 5:30
“The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.” - Acts 10:40
“God raised him on the third day and made him to appear.” - Acts 13:30
“But God raised him from the dead.” - Acts 17:31
“He has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”
Yeah, I read the rest of your post and its all, special pleading.
List the facts:
1. You can't provide one verse that teaches duality of natures.
2. You fail to acknowledge the words of David, Jesus and the Apostle Paul who all agree (yet you don't!)
3. You can't show a single verse that states Jesus raise himself from the dead!
Let's see if you can somehow add to this list, shall we?
It's often the one labelling a heretic is found out to be the heretic.
bdavidc
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You keep repeating things the Bible already disproves. Jesus didn’t become the Author of life, He is the Author of life (Acts 3:15). He didn’t get immortality handed to Him, He already had life in Himself from the start (John 1:4, John 5:26). You’re not speaking truth, you’re twisting Scripture to tell your own story.
I’m not going to agree with something the Bible never says. You’ve got your prophecy and your opinions. I’ve got the full Word of God, and it clearly says Jesus is the eternal Son, the Alpha and Omega, the one who holds everything together (Colossians 1:17).
What you’re doing is exactly what Satan did, using verses to push a lie (Matthew 4:6). That’s not wisdom, that’s deception.
God’s Word doesn’t change to fit your beliefs. You either obey it, or you twist it. And you’re twisting it. Keep trying to change who Jesus is, and you’re not just wrong, you’re listening to the same voice that said, “Did God really say?”
You’re fighting against God’s truth.
bdavidc
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You’re not correcting anything. You’re just rejecting Scripture that doesn’t fit your view. That long list you posted from Acts doesn’t refute what Jesus clearly said in John 10:18—that He had authority to lay down His life and take it up again. You quoted the verse but ignored what it actually says. That’s the real irony.You know this willing ignorance will become rather boring if you fail to acknowledge the truth about these matters.
John 10:18 (ESV): "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father."
The irony is whenever you post something I'm having to correct you every time.
Will this continue?
A DEAD man cannot raise himself
- Acts 2:24
“God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.”- Acts 2:32
“This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.”- Acts 3:15
“And you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.”- Acts 4:10
“Let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man stands before you healed.”- Acts 5:30
“The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.”- Acts 10:40
“God raised him on the third day and made him to appear.”- Acts 13:30
“But God raised him from the dead.”- Acts 17:31
“He has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”
Yeah, I read the rest of your post and its all, special pleading.
List the facts:
1. You can't provide one verse that teaches duality of natures.
2. You fail to acknowledge the words of David, Jesus and the Apostle Paul who all agree (yet you don't!)
3. You can't show a single verse that states Jesus raise himself from the dead!
Let's see if you can somehow add to this list, shall we?
It's often the one labelling a heretic is found out to be the heretic.
You say a dead man can’t raise himself. That’s true—for normal men. But Jesus isn’t just a man. He is the Author of life (Acts 3:15), and death could not hold Him (Acts 2:24). That’s what Scripture says, whether you like it or not.
You keep demanding “one verse” that teaches dual natures. You’ve already been shown them. You ignore John 1:1–14, Philippians 2:6–8, Hebrews 2:14, and pretend they don’t exist. That’s not honest. That’s willful blindness.
You accuse others of heresy, but you’re the one denying the eternal Son of God, stripping Him of His divine nature, and twisting Scripture to serve your argument. That’s not bold, that’s reckless. And if you won’t submit to what’s plainly written, then you’re not arguing with me. You’re fighting against the Word of God. I will not listen to any more of your false teachings. You have been shown the truth and you will answer to God not me for trying to deceive people.
Wow, relentless error!
God foretold Who would make him the Author of Life!
Peter’s statement here highlights the prophecy found in Isaiah 55:4
“Behold, I made him a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander for the peoples.”
The Greek word archegos means author, captain, or leader. It signifies one who stands at the head or beginning (arche in Greek) of a community, all of whom share in a "newness of life" (Romans 6:4).
“We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.”
This word also appears in Acts 5:31 and Hebrews 2:10 (translated as "captain"), and in Hebrews 12:2 as "author." The Revised Standard Version uses "pioneer," meaning one who leads the way.
Seriously, your willing ignorance on this subject, is astounding!
Just refuted this conclusively in the previous post.
In reality you don't understand the Power of God and His Glory.
Your confused by the doctrines of men.
@bdavidc
1. You can't provide one verse that teaches duality of natures.
2. You fail to acknowledge the words of David, Jesus and the Apostle Paul who all agree (yet you don't!)
3. You can't show a single verse that states Jesus raise himself from the dead!
4. You do not understand why Christ was raised BY the Glory of the Father
5. You don't understand how Christ became the Son of God with Power (glory) by the resurrection of the dead.
You can see the truth of this but you're mind is burdened down with creed dogma's and man-made notions which restrict your mind from opening up and seeing the beauty of the Glorified Christ - the first born of many who will be given LIFE.
1. You can't provide one verse that teaches duality of natures.
2. You fail to acknowledge the words of David, Jesus and the Apostle Paul who all agree (yet you don't!)
3. You can't show a single verse that states Jesus raise himself from the dead!
4. You do not understand why Christ was raised BY the Glory of the Father
5. You don't understand how Christ became the Son of God with Power (glory) by the resurrection of the dead.
You can see the truth of this but you're mind is burdened down with creed dogma's and man-made notions which restrict your mind from opening up and seeing the beauty of the Glorified Christ - the first born of many who will be given LIFE.
What this discussion has shown is how approaching the Word of God with preconceived ideas robs the Glory of God in His revealed Word and in the Glory, He gave to Jesus His Son.
@bdavidc I'm going to keep going because you have no valid arguments and the Word is more powerful than the notions you currently hold.
Hebrews 5:9 “And (Jesus) being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.
This thread has already shown how Jesus became that source, by the will of the One who granted him Life and made him to be that very Life.
You know the apostles understood the original Gospel, what I’m showing you here and now.
This is something to be thankful for and to praise God for, as it is a powerful revelation.
Sadly, as is often the case, those who are deceived tend to retreat to the familiar comfort of man-made doctrines.
@bdavidc I'm going to keep going because you have no valid arguments and the Word is more powerful than the notions you currently hold.
Hebrews 5:9 “And (Jesus) being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.
This thread has already shown how Jesus became that source, by the will of the One who granted him Life and made him to be that very Life.
You know the apostles understood the original Gospel, what I’m showing you here and now.
This is something to be thankful for and to praise God for, as it is a powerful revelation.
Sadly, as is often the case, those who are deceived tend to retreat to the familiar comfort of man-made doctrines.
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