Jesus is God

[Davy]

Wondering if people read posts before they go off on one ;)

I only wonder if people have actually read and studied their Bible before they ask Biblically illiterate questions.

 

[Pet]

I only wonder if people have actually read and studied their Bible before they ask Biblically illiterate questions.

Who asked questions?

 

[Davy]

Who asked questions?

I was just re-sounding your gripe in your post no.21.

Jesus never stopped... being GOD The Son while He was in the flesh. That's my point.

And that means His Spirit inside His flesh body was still... GOD.

Just because He chose to take on the flesh like us to suffer is not proof of His Spirit inside having changed when His Spirit was placed in woman's womb. Likewise when He died on the cross, His Spirit did not change then either, nor did His Spirit take on flesh, because Spirit and flesh are two separate operations in God's creation. Yet His flesh body was instead transfigured, or "quickened" to a heavenly body, like Peter showed in 1 Peter 3. That His flesh body did not see corruption, and was quickened to a spirit body, was done no doubt for our benefit, to show the marks of His crucifixion as a remembrance of His Sacrifice forever.

The reason it seems I am such a stickler on this matter is because there's been a lot of men's philosophy of HUMANISM that has crept into many Churches that try to teach that Lord Jesus in the flesh was fully human without still being GOD while in the flesh. Those preachers couldn't get out of a wet bag if it depended on it, as they fall for false doctrines by the false Jews like the drop of a hat.

The end of Matthew 1 reveals that Jesus, even having come in the flesh, has as one of His Titles as "Emmanuel", which is "Immanuel" from the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy, and it means, "God with us". That means literally, 'God in the flesh, on earth with us.'

 

[Pet]

I was just re-sounding your gripe in your post no.21.

Jesus never stopped... being GOD The Son while He was in the flesh. That's my point.

And that means His Spirit inside His flesh body was still... GOD.

Just because He chose to take on the flesh like us to suffer is not proof of His Spirit inside having changed when His Spirit was placed in woman's womb. Likewise when He died on the cross, His Spirit did not change then either, nor did His Spirit take on flesh, because Spirit and flesh are two separate operations in God's creation. Yet His flesh body was instead transfigured, or "quickened" to a heavenly body, like Peter showed in 1 Peter 3. That His flesh body did not see corruption, and was quickened to a spirit body, was done no doubt for our benefit, to show the marks of His crucifixion as a remembrance of His Sacrifice forever.

The reason it seems I am such a stickler on this matter is because there's been a lot of men's philosophy of HUMANISM that has crept into many Churches that try to teach that Lord Jesus in the flesh was fully human without still being GOD while in the flesh. Those preachers couldn't get out of a wet bag if it depended on it, as they fall for false doctrines by the false Jews like the drop of a hat.

The end of Matthew 1 reveals that Jesus, even having come in the flesh, has as one of His Titles as "Emmanuel", which is "Immanuel" from the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy, and it means, "God with us". That means literally, 'God in the flesh, on earth with us.'

Yes, thankyou

 

[bro.tan]

Jesus is equal with God...
John 10:30-36, a commentary

10.30. I and My Father are one.

10:30 I and The Father are one - Not by consent of will only, but by unity of power, and consequently of nature. Are - This word confutes Sabellius, proving the plurality of persons: one - This word confutes Arius, proving the unity of nature in God. Never did any prophet before, from the beginning of the world, use any one expression of himself, which could possibly be so interpreted as this and other expressions were, by all that heard our Lord speak. Therefore if Jesus was not God, then why did He say this?

John 10:31
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.

John 10:32
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from My Father; for which of those works do ye stone Me?

John 10:33
The Jews answered Him, saying, For a good work we stone Thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that Thou, being a man, makest Thyself God.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:34 Psa 82:6.

John 10:35
If He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

10:35 If He (God) called them gods unto whom the Word of God came, (that is, to whom God was then speaking,) and the Scripture cannot be broken - That is, nothing which is written therein can be censured or rejected.

John 10:36
Say ye of Him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am The Son of God?

10:36 Say ye of Him Whom The Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world - This sanctification (whereby he is essentially the Holy One of God) is mentioned as prior to his mission, and together with it implies, Christ was God in the highest sense, infinitely superior to that wherein those judges were so called.

This statement was made by one of Jesus disciples named Thomas. The power of this statement blows by the average Christian like a jumbo jet.

It was made after Jesus had been raised from the grave after his death on the cross. (John 20:19-28) (v.19)" Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, peace be unto you. (v.20) And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. (v.24) But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Did-y-mus, was not with them when Jesus came. (v.25) The other disciples therefore said unto him, we have seen the Lord. But he saith unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and trust my hand into his side, I will not believe."

Now that's a reasonable statement Thomas made, saying he'll believe it when he sees it. (v.26) "And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, peace be unto you. (v.27) Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." Then Thomas made one of the most over looked statements in the bible, when he said unto Jesus (v.28) "MY LORD AND MY GOD". Jesus after his resurrection from the dead was returning to his former glory, God. (John 17:5) "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." Yes, with thee before the world was. That's why after Jesus was raised from the dead he made this statement. (Mat. 28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them saying, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." It's hard for some people to understand that Jesus came through the Virgin Mary in the flesh, but he has always existed as a spirit being.

 

[Pet]

This statement was made by one of Jesus disciples named Thomas. The power of this statement blows by the average Christian like a jumbo jet.

It was made after Jesus had been raised from the grave after his death on the cross. (John 20:19-28) (v.19)" Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, peace be unto you. (v.20) And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. (v.24) But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Did-y-mus, was not with them when Jesus came. (v.25) The other disciples therefore said unto him, we have seen the Lord. But he saith unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and trust my hand into his side, I will not believe."

Now that's a reasonable statement Thomas made, saying he'll believe it when he sees it. (v.26) "And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, peace be unto you. (v.27) Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." Then Thomas made one of the most over looked statements in the bible, when he said unto Jesus (v.28) "MY LORD AND MY GOD". Jesus after his resurrection from the dead was returning to his former glory, God. (John 17:5) "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." Yes, with thee before the world was. That's why after Jesus was raised from the dead he made this statement. (Mat. 28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them saying, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." It's hard for some people to understand that Jesus came through the Virgin Mary in the flesh, but he has always existed as a spirit being.

I love that Jesus didn't rebuke Thomas, but confirmed the revelation.
Also, blessed are they who believe when they haven't physically seen Jesus...that's us!

 

[bro.tan]

Let’s take a closer look to try and better explain this, let's start in Genesis, because that's where the one who became known as Jesus can be seen first. (Gen. 1: 1) It said that; "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." But (John 1: 1-3,-10, 14) states" in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. (v.2) The same was in the beginning with God. (v. 3) All things were made by him; (the Word) and without him was not any thing made that was made. (v.10) He was in the world and the world was made by him.

We all know that one of Jesus many names is the Word of God. (Rev. 19:13) So who created the world, was it God? Was it the Word (Jesus)? Yes! They are one in the same (v.14) And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father,) full of grace and truth. Yes the WORD that was in the beginning with God, was God and was made flesh and dwelt among man. That's why Jesus said give me the glory I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, that was in the beginning. (John 17: 5)

 

[bro.tan]

I love that Jesus didn't rebuke Thomas, but confirmed the revelation.
Also, blessed are they who believe when they haven't physically seen Jesus...that's us!

Jesus said that for the people in the world, that need to see things before they believe. There are people in his world who will not believe things especially spiritual things, unless they see it with they own eyes, as proof. Paul says in Hebrews 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.