Jesus is God

[pandaflower]

Jesus was God,of course.

John 1

John 1​

The Beginning
(Genesis 1:1–2; Hebrews 11:1–3)

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Word Became Flesh
(Psalm 84:1–12)

14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.b We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Sonc from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[bdavidc]

Compare The Lords prayer in Luke 11 in the niv and kj

Nice try, dragging the Lord's Prayer from Luke 11 into this thread does not change a thing. It is a weak diversionary tactic from the actual issue being discussed, which is Micah 5: 2 and what the plain reading of this verse clearly says about the eternal origins of the Messiah. Whether or not you like the way the NIV translates Luke 11 has zero bearing on the fact that the Hebrew in Micah clearly says the Messiah's "goings forth" (eḡrêyô) are from olam, from everlasting. It's not a poetic metaphor or an aspect of a plan or a concept. It's personal and eternal. You either believe the Word of God or you don't, but don't try to smuggle in a translation debate to wiggle out of what the text clearly says. Jesus did not start in Bethlehem. He came from eternity, and the Bible plainly says so. Stop dodging it.

 

[Pet]

Nice try, dragging the Lord's Prayer from Luke 11 into this thread does not change a thing. It is a weak diversionary tactic from the actual issue being discussed, which is Micah 5: 2 and what the plain reading of this verse clearly says about the eternal origins of the Messiah. Whether or not you like the way the NIV translates Luke 11 has zero bearing on the fact that the Hebrew in Micah clearly says the Messiah's "goings forth" (eḡrêyô) are from olam, from everlasting. It's not a poetic metaphor or an aspect of a plan or a concept. It's personal and eternal. You either believe the Word of God or you don't, but don't try to smuggle in a translation debate to wiggle out of what the text clearly says. Jesus did not start in Bethlehem. He came from eternity, and the Bible plainly says so. Stop dodging it.

Yes, I know? So you're a fan of the niv then ;)

 

[bdavidc]

Yes, I know? So you're a fan of the niv then ;)

No, this isn’t me being a “fan” of any particular translation; this is simply pointing out what God’s Word actually says. Micah 5: 2 says clearly that the “goings forth” of the Messiah, “have been from of old, from everlasting.” His going forth from the Father did not start in Bethlehem, because His going forth has been from eternity. That is what the text says. If Jesus only began to exist at His birth, then He did not come forth from the Father before He was born. But He Himself said, “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8: 58), which is the same name by which God revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3:14. John 1: 1–3 says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… by Him all things were made.” He is the uncreated Creator, and John 1:14, Philippians 2:6–7, tells us that the Son of God did not start to exist at His birth. He came from eternity into the world in order to save sinners. Whether you read the KJV, ESV, or some other translation that is faithful to the original languages, the facts do not change. Jesus is eternal.

 

[jaybird]

I and The Father are one - Not by consent of will only, but by unity of power, and consequently of nature. Are - This word confutes Sabellius, proving the plurality of persons: one - This word confutes Arius, proving the unity of nature in God. Never did any prophet before, from the beginning of the world, use any one expression of himself, which could possibly be so interpreted as this and other expressions were, by all that heard our Lord speak. Therefore if Jesus was not God, then why did He say this?

maybe not in the bible but this is a very common phrase among mystics including Jewish and Christians, also almost all books containing any hint of mysticism were removed from the canon.

also the Jews (i like calling them temple leaders as the 12 and many others were Jews and they did not want to stone Jesus) stoning Jesus for "makest Thyself God" is a misleading statement as the temple leaders never believed Jesus claimed to be the Most High, they believed Jesus was claiming to be a son of the Most High
John 19 7
The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the Son of God.”

Jesus even makes a reference to the Psalms passage of the rulers who were sons of the Most High being called gods. if Jesus is claiming to be the Most High then the gods in the Psalm passage would also have to be the Most High.

 

[jaybird]

He's actually 100% God and 100% man simultaneously

that would mean all men are also 100% G-D.
i dont think people realize the implications of this statement.

 

[Davy]

I have to LAUGH at these folks that try... to claim they understand about the Divinity of Lord Jesus Christ while denying that Jesus is God. Enough of that old JEW vanity, for they hate that very Biblical idea that Jesus of Nazareth is God The Son. And that even includes a lot of Jews that claim to have converted to Faith on Jesus Christ! They STILL... don't believe Jesus is God.

Jesus of Nazareth was... 100% God and 100% man when He came in the flesh through woman's womb.

Jesus of Nazareth NEVER STOPPED BEING GOD while in the flesh.

Jesus of Nazareth ALLOWED HIMSELF TO SUFFER IN THE FLESH WHILE REMAING GOD.

One of the great problems many Jews have is with their FLESHY traditions. Many of them actually believe that the flesh is what is saved along with one's spirit/soul.

NOPE! Once our flesh body dies, or is cast off at the "last trump" when Jesus returns, we will never need it again. Christ's Salvation is about Salvation to our spirit with soul, NOT our flesh body!

Lord Jesus' flesh body was "quickened by the Spirit", meaning transformed to a spirit body, which is HOW Peter said Jesus went and preached The Gospel to the dead spirits in prison (1 Peter 3 & 4). That is why Jesus' dead flesh body was never found in the tomb. That doesn't happen for us. Our flesh body decays back to the elements of the earth where it came from; it sees corruption. But Lord Jesus' flesh body did not see corruption.

Because they are confused about the flesh operation of this world, they cannot understand that one's spirit is of a completely different operation and dimension of existence. Lord Jesus revealed this simply in John 3 when He said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Thus Lord Jesus' Spirit never changed from being God, not even once He was born in the flesh. And it simply because Spirit is a different operation than flesh.

 

[jaybird]

I have to LAUGH at these folks that try... to claim they understand about the Divinity of Lord Jesus Christ while denying that Jesus is God. Enough of that old JEW vanity, for they hate that very Biblical idea that Jesus of Nazareth is God The Son. And that even includes a lot of Jews that claim to have converted to Faith on Jesus Christ! They STILL... don't believe Jesus is God.

Jesus of Nazareth was... 100% God and 100% man when He came in the flesh through woman's womb.

Jesus of Nazareth NEVER STOPPED BEING GOD while in the flesh.

Jesus of Nazareth ALLOWED HIMSELF TO SUFFER IN THE FLESH WHILE REMAING GOD.

One of the great problems many Jews have is with their FLESHY traditions. Many of them actually believe that the flesh is what is saved along with one's spirit/soul.

NOPE! Once our flesh body dies, or is cast off at the "last trump" when Jesus returns, we will never need it again. Christ's Salvation is about Salvation to our spirit with soul, NOT our flesh body!

Lord Jesus' flesh body was "quickened by the Spirit", meaning transformed to a spirit body, which is HOW Peter said Jesus went and preached The Gospel to the dead spirits in prison (1 Peter 3 & 4). That is why Jesus' dead flesh body was never found in the tomb. That doesn't happen for us. Our flesh body decays back to the elements of the earth where it came from; it sees corruption. But Lord Jesus' flesh body did not see corruption.

Because they are confused about the flesh operation of this world, they cannot understand that one's spirit is of a completely different operation and dimension of existence. Lord Jesus revealed this simply in John 3 when He said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Thus Lord Jesus' Spirit never changed from being God, not even once He was born in the flesh. And it simply because Spirit is a different operation than flesh.

you think all men are 100% G-D?

 

[Davy]

you think all men are 100% G-D?

Get off it, that silly reasoning does not work, and you well know it.

Everyone born in flesh has a 'spirit', so what can you TRY and do with that?

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it.
KJV

If our "spirit" came from God, and returns to God at death of our flesh, then what is our spirit part?

 

[jaybird]

Get off it, that silly reasoning does not work, and you well know it.

Everyone born in flesh has a 'spirit', so what can you TRY and do with that?

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it.
KJV

If our "spirit" came from God, and returns to God at death of our flesh, then what is our spirit part?

what i know is you avoided the question with lots of distraction tactics.

why do you not want to answer?

 

[pandaflower]

I have to LAUGH at these folks that try... to claim they understand about the Divinity of Lord Jesus Christ while denying that Jesus is God. Enough of that old JEW vanity, for they hate that very Biblical idea that Jesus of Nazareth is God The Son. And that even includes a lot of Jews that claim to have converted to Faith on Jesus Christ! They STILL... don't believe Jesus is God.

Jesus of Nazareth was... 100% God and 100% man when He came in the flesh through woman's womb.

Jesus of Nazareth NEVER STOPPED BEING GOD while in the flesh.

Jesus of Nazareth ALLOWED HIMSELF TO SUFFER IN THE FLESH WHILE REMAING GOD.

One of the great problems many Jews have is with their FLESHY traditions. Many of them actually believe that the flesh is what is saved along with one's spirit/soul.

NOPE! Once our flesh body dies, or is cast off at the "last trump" when Jesus returns, we will never need it again. Christ's Salvation is about Salvation to our spirit with soul, NOT our flesh body!

Lord Jesus' flesh body was "quickened by the Spirit", meaning transformed to a spirit body, which is HOW Peter said Jesus went and preached The Gospel to the dead spirits in prison (1 Peter 3 & 4). That is why Jesus' dead flesh body was never found in the tomb. That doesn't happen for us. Our flesh body decays back to the elements of the earth where it came from; it sees corruption. But Lord Jesus' flesh body did not see corruption.

Because they are confused about the flesh operation of this world, they cannot understand that one's spirit is of a completely different operation and dimension of existence. Lord Jesus revealed this simply in John 3 when He said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Thus Lord Jesus' Spirit never changed from being God, not even once He was born in the flesh. And it simply because Spirit is a different operation than flesh.

Don't let unbelievers frustrate you. Fall back to 1 Corinthians 2:1-17. Particularly verse 14.

 

[pandaflower]

you think all men are 100% G-D?

Why not read the Bible? And learn what it teaches. Instead of criticizing others thoughts that you either misunderstood or misrepresented.

 

[jaybird]

Why not read the Bible? And learn what it teaches. Instead of criticizing others thoughts that you either misunderstood or misrepresented.

again, not an answer.
why is this question so difficult. i dont get how anyone could believe anything that they dont understand and cant explain.

 

[shepherdsword]

Jesus is YHVH
The Father is YHVH
The Holy Spirit is YHVH
These three are one (echad)
"echad" is the same word used for "a man shall be joined with his wife and they shall be one (echad) flesh"

 

[pandaflower]

again, not an answer.

It was. You just can't accept that.

why is this question so difficult. i dont get how anyone could believe anything that they dont understand and cant explain.

The question was never difficult.

You can't comprehend the answers already given.

 

[Davy]

what i know is you avoided the question with lots of distraction tactics.

why do you not want to answer?

It's impossible to try and answer a ludicrous question.

A BETTER question is 'why do YOU deny the written Bible Scripture' like the one below which declares Jesus as "God with us"?

Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel", which being interpreted is, God with us.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Don't let unbelievers frustrate you. Fall back to 1 Corinthians 2:1-17. Particularly verse 14.

Yes, I realize that, there's a lot of ammo written in The Bible Scriptures that prove Jesus of Nazareth is Immanuel "God with us". But trying to get the UNBELIEVER to admit those Scripture proofs won't happen unless God Himself turns them. Not all that come here that claim... to be believers on Jesus Christ actually are.

 

[pandaflower]

Yes, I realize that, there's a lot of ammo written in The Bible Scriptures that prove Jesus of Nazareth is Immanuel "God with us". But trying to get the UNBELIEVER to admit those Scripture proofs won't happen unless God Himself turns them. Not all that come here that claim... to be believers on Jesus Christ actually are.

Don't discount Trolling as yet another reason they "don't get it".

 

[jaybird]

It was. You just can't accept that.

The question was never difficult.

You can't comprehend the answers already given.

you never gave an answer
i asked "are all men are G-D?"
you replied "read your bible"
read you bible is not an answer, you might as well answer with "midnight mississippi" as it would make just as much sense

 

[jaybird]

It's impossible to try and answer a ludicrous question.

A BETTER question is 'why do YOU deny the written Bible Scripture' like the one below which declares Jesus as "God with us"?

Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel", which being interpreted is, God with us.
KJV

ohh good grief its not ludicrous, you cant answer because you know the problem

if Jesus is man and G-D it makes Him unlike all other men, not one of us and by definition not a man.

this idea was invented almost 600 years after Jesus at 2nd council of constantinople, the reason they invented it was to fix all the other problems with the trinity, but like all the other changes they made to this doctrine, it only caused more problems.
this was the last change they made, when it failed and set them right back to square one they threw their hands up in frustration and just went to burning people alive. if your teachings require you to burn people alive for acceptance something is bad wrong