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rebuilder 454
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It might hit you later.
begotten vs created
( i just killed the debate.)
Like I said....it just aint kicked in for you yet
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The Battle of Actium was a naval battle fought between Octavian's maritime fleet, led by Marcus Agrippa, and the combined fleets of both Mark Antony and Cleopatra. The battle took place on 2 September 31 BC in the Ionian Sea, near the former Roman colony of Actium, Greece, and was the climax of over a decade of rivalry between Octavian and Mark Antony.
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is just as irrelevant
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ok you will never engage, i get that, but seriously, in the real world, if your buying a gallon of milk and the lady says four dollars, you dont have four dollars, do you hand her a bottle cap and proclaim Charlemagne was the 1st HRE emperor and expect the lady to give you the milk?
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yes, if someone tells you dying your hair green and barking like a dog is the only path to salvation, you ask why, and they say:
"the 10 commandments, respect your parents"
any person with critical thinking skills would believe thats irrelevant
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this tactic has been used by corrupt politicians since ancient rome:
Q - "mr senator why did you steal money from the kids with cancer charity fund?"
A - "what about that senator in the next town, they said he worships the devil and pees in the coffee, you should be looking at him"
its called whataboutism and only works on simple minded fools.
rebuilder 454
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You either haven't gotten the point , or you just can't handle it.
One of the 2.
Jesus is God's only begotten son.
I don't know if you've ever read that or if you believe it.
But it's in the Bible.
Ok, your concept of Jesus is that he's a created being.
I really don't know how else to put that to you. It seems to really ruffle your feathers. And you procede to go off on some rabbit trail. Insisting begotten vs created is a scary boogee man.
And then claim some kind of high ground superiority.
But i understand how bamboozled you must be at this point
rebuilder 454
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Nothing to do with testimony and person of Jesus.
He is begotten.
He and God are deity.
If you have a child, that child is human.
An image/STATUE, made of that child, IS NOT HUMAN.
That THING would be created ( kinda like how you lower Jesus to a created being)
Maybe that will help.
@Gary Mac
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Hi Gary Mac
I see that there is already a thread on JESUS IS GOD....
so we could discuss on here....
there are also other good posters on here so it'll be interesting.
Let's see how it goes.
You could go ahead and post your belief and post a couple of your favorite verses.
Later...
@Behold
Hi Gary Mac
I see that there is already a thread on JESUS IS GOD....
so we could discuss on here....
there are also other good posters on here so it'll be interesting.
Let's see how it goes.
You could go ahead and post your belief and post a couple of your favorite verses.
Later...
Behold
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Its Jesus THE Christ
Jesus is the "created being", the God man..... and "Christ" means "The Anointed One".
Behold
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And the Tesla Sedan was created 105 yrs after the first Ford.
So, does that mean that Tesla does not exist?
So, @jaybird, your logic is not on track.
Perhaps you should clean your cage.....
Listen....
In Genesis,...........the verse says........>"Let US.....make man in OUR image".
See the "US, and OUR"?
That is 1.) God and 2.) pre-incarnate Jesus, the "Word who became flesh, and dwelt among us".
Davy
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I wouldn't pay any attention to what jabbard says on that, many non-believers try to claim that Jesus Christ was 'created' when that goes directly opposite of what God's Word says. They misinterpret Hebrews 1 ON PURPOSE because of the false men they follow.
The 'only begotten son' idea about Lord Jesus Christ is in regard to His created flesh in order to die on the cross. Jesus never stopped being The Christ (His Spirit) when born in the flesh. And no angel has ever been born in the flesh like Jesus. And even in Hebrews 1:8 The Father calls Jesus "O God"!
Heb 1:6-8
6 And again, when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, He saith, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."
7 And of the angels He saith, "Who maketh His angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom."
KJV
I tell ya, this Forum keeps getting worse and worse with those who come here that speak against the clearly written Word of God.
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Behold
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God is the Father, Jesus is the Word who was "with God" in the Beginning.
So, that is the..
"Let US.... make man.........in OUR image".
See that verse from Genesis. ??
"US and OUR"........thats 2.
= God and the Word.
"""Jesus is the WORD made flesh""" (Virigin born)
"God manifested (born) in The Flesh".
The God-Man.
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Behold
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The Word of God, (Pre-incarnate Jesus) was literally manifested inside the womb of The Virgin Mary, by the Holy Spirit, = as a human.
"God was manifested in the flesh". "the Word of God became flesh".....inside a Virgin's womb.
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in greek philosophy it meant same kind, its where "same substance" comes from like i covered before, a wolf and man are of the same substance.
bible has it as birth
trinity people think it means trinity
Im puzzled. If Jesus is God why did he say-
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)
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