Jesus is God

[GodsGrace]

What was the number of the post. Sorry I must have missed it?


No, I really do not anything better to offer, Jesus did a good enough explaining who he was in God without my help. But if one doesnt believe what Jesus said who he was in God, then that is another matter.


I will indeed.

I did, I became His flesh when He came to reside in me, so has all who God has come to and resides in our flesh man. And if I remember corrected I quoted Jesus in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God, Which is His word, Spirit, does not come with observation it is within you. Or is supposed to be, and is supposed to flow out from you His word as living waters.

His word isnt written on stone, nor in ink that you can observe, His word comes by God Himself be in your flesh man, thus becoming flesh. It always has been that way starting in Adam proven in Gen 3;22, he was the very first to become like God to know this difference from carnal understanding and spiritual understanding. Jesus received the same word from God Himself in Matt 3:16.

Are you suggesting that you refuse to be His living word that He would be in you? That seems to be the implication here.

Sadly most on here do not believe that God came to Jesus and gave Him His word and His word that comes no other way opened all of His heaven in that man just as He did in Adam, Gen 3;22, Abraham who received Gods word from God Himself, so did Moses, so did Mary, so did 120 in an upper room all received from god Himself His word to be in them.

From your question I gather that you are not His living word yourself? But I will say as Jesus did, that you can be. Jesus described this new word, new knowledge of mind, as born again.

And Im pretty sure that I did answer your question already. I would just have to go back and search for it, but Im glad that I got to answer your question if I didnt answer it already. Perhaps you didn't like my answer the first time?

Gary Mac
I've asked this question to at least 3 doubters of the Trinity now.
No response.

At least you reponded, although not really ----
you did not address the question forthrightly.

As I did to all your verses that you keep posting.
Will see if I can find my reply to them....


Please see my post no. 174.
I addressed every one of your verses....the ones you constantly post and which are very easy to explain.

Would you like to try again on
John 1:1
and
John 1:14

WHO became flesh?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Gary Mac
I've asked this question to at least 3 doubters of the Trinity now.
No response.

At least you reponded, although not really ----
you did not address the question forthrightly.

As I did to all your verses that you keep posting.
Will see if I can find my reply to them....


Please see my post no. 174.
I addressed every one of your verses....the ones you constantly post and which are very easy to explain.

Would you like to try again on
John 1:1
and
John 1:14

WHO became flesh?

The better question is how did the Word become Christ?

 

[GodsGrace]

The better question is how did the Word become Christ?

Hiddenthings...
Explain what the difference is.

If the Word became Christ....
What was the word...
where was the word....
what happened to the word.


§The question is very simple and I only used 2 verses.

John 1:1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14
14And the Word became flesh,


WHO or WHAT became flesh?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Hiddenthings...
Explain what the difference is.

If the Word became Christ....
What was the word...
where was the word....
what happened to the word.


§The question is very simple and I only used 2 verses.

John 1:1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14
14And the Word became flesh,


WHO or WHAT became flesh?

Well your first problem is here Jesus became Immortal

 

[Gary Mac]

You changed the subject. We were discussing, at this point, what Jesus meant by, "You shall do greater things." Nobody was denying that Jesus preached "Live it!"

I didnt change the subject at all. here is what you said that I responded to.

"the Apostles, would live longer and cover more territory with the good news of the Gospel than he would be able to do in perhaps 3.5 years.'

My comment was -- He did not say go out and make disciples according to your opinions, he said go out and live it, that that same example of the father that he was of, walk in it as he walked in it, with the same signs following you.

That is the good news, live it, show people who you are ion God, not just what you go and say about it from a belief.

Jesus said believe that what I do if you cant believe that what I say.

You changed the subject. We were discussing, at this point, what Jesus meant by, "You shall do greater things." Nobody was denying that Jesus preached "Live it!"

Ok, my Question to you is -- do you?

So, this is the transition point in your "evangelism?" You change the subject to a nebulus idea of "living the Gospel," and do so on the basis that Christ himself is not our Divine authority--we are? How convenient! Well then, just make up what you think Jesus meant by "Live the Gospel!"

LOL But Christ is the supreme authority, it is Gods anointing in man, God Himself be in you and you in Him as one.

You sidestep every thing Jesus said you ware supposed to be in the Father as he was in the father, Why? because you have your own god that you can control just as you are doing here instead of being of that supreme person who is anointed of God be Christ in you.

You're a corrupter of the Gospel and of the doctrinally-orthodox Church. I don't care what you believe, but you certainly don't belong on a Christian forum unless you're either seeking the truth or on some really "far out" Christian forum.

A christian ia exactly as Jesus was in God, anointed of God, same spirit in us who was in Christ Jesus, which is Christ in us. But I do understand that is a far out forum for you for sure. You have no intent in being that person of Christ who is anointed of God that is very very clear in your rebuttal against Him to be.

If you want to discuss or even argue these things without coming here to "declare what is true,"

I post what Jesus said of himself and his God who sent him, and we should have those same perfections. If that isnt true for what Jesus said, then there really is not much for us to talk about is there?

when it goes against the creeds, let me know?

Oh I have in every post!

I can argue anything with anybody. But those who think they are God I have no patience with.

Now That is the truth in your arguments against Jesus himself in who he said he was in the father.

So, this is the transition point in your "evangelism?" You change the subject to a nebulus idea of "living the Gospel," and do so on the basis that Christ himself is not our Divine authority--we are? How convenient! Well then, just make up what you think Jesus meant by "Live the Gospel!"

You change the subject of who are you in God as Jesus said you would be like Him if you have the same in you Jesus had in himself from God. You dance all around what Jesus said you should be.

You're a corrupter of the Gospel and of the doctrinally-orthodox Church.

So was Jesus to the same mentality as yourself for the very same reason and look how those treated him in who he said he was in the father.

I don't care what you believe,

I know and in ignorance you think to receive the same Spirit of God be in me is a belief instead of His reality of. For to you to be like hi m as Jesus was like Him is out of the question in your own beliefs.

but you certainly don't belong on a Christian forum unless you're either seeking the truth or on some really "far out" Christian forum.

Actually when Jesus is quoted to you it is that he doesnt belong in this forum, and that is very clear that he doesnt. Not one here agrees with Jesus in who he said he was in God, nor who you are supposed to have the same from God Himself.

This doesnt belong here does it? No way you will go to God yourself will you?

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

If you want to discuss or even argue these things without coming here to "declare what is true,"

Declare what Jesus said by copying and pasting what he said? It is Jesus himself who made that declaration, not I, it is he that your rebuttal is with, not I. All I can do is copy and past who Jesus said he was in God and that you should have the same even prayed to his God for you to ave the same in Hoign 17. He declared that is true himself but evidently not good enough for you.

when it goes against the creeds, let me know?

I have in every reply to your creeds of man.

can argue anything with anybody. But those who think they are God I have no patience with.

Now finally you admitted a truth. The Jews of Jesus day had that same mentality toward Jesus, falsely accusing him of being God for the very same reason that you accuse me of even though we can do noting at all without our Father who is God. That is the One they did not know nor is it the One that you know. But it is the One Jesus knew and I know. How do we know? Read Matt 3:16 and see for yourself how we know. and again I will quote of Jesu who he was in that God, that evidently goads your own creed for a god.

Tell us plainly why this if false for you in who Jesus said he was in God?

Im not the only one you have put on trial here, Jesus is in who he said we are in the Father.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name,he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

 

[Bladerunner]

You're right that Jesus is fully God, and that truth is non-negotiable. But a few parts of what you said go beyond what the Bible actually teaches.

First, while it’s common to say Jesus has a “dual nature,” the Bible doesn’t use that kind of wording. It clearly tells us He is both God and man (John 1:1, John 1:14, Colossians 2:9), but it doesn’t explain it in philosophical terms. We just need to stick with what’s written and not go beyond that (1 Corinthians 4:6).

Second, the idea that Jesus was “generated from eternity into time” is not in Scripture. Jesus wasn’t created or produced. He is eternal. He’s always existed as God (Micah 5:2, John 1:1). Saying He was “generated” can confuse people and make it sound like He had a beginning, which would be false.

Also, calling God a “composite unity” is human language, not Bible language. Scripture says God is one (Deuteronomy 6:4), and it shows the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit working together as one God (Matthew 28:19), but it doesn’t label Him with philosophical terms.

So while you’re right to affirm Jesus’ deity, it’s important we use the words God gave us in His Word, not ideas added later by creeds or traditions. The Bible is clear and complete.

Simple to say, Jesus is "fully" man and fully "God"

 

[Hiddenthings]

Simple to say, Jesus is "fully" man and fully "God"

It's simple to say...impossible to prove

 

[rebuilder 454]

It's simple to say...impossible to prove

Then those that worshipped Him in the bible should have been rebuked.

Either the bible is true, or man was never redeemed.
... and the cross means nothing.

The entire bible points to one thing.

Man's sin vs Holy God.
That equals no way to reverse adams sin.
The man Jesus was the Only way to salvation.
.....but now a new dilemma....it had to be God on the cross.

To diminish those facts is to buy a ticket to the hell train.

God did all that for us.
Men cast it down and trample it.
....and celebrate that trampling.

Only one remedy for sin.....INNOCENT BLOOD.
THANK YOU JESUS !!!!!!!!!

 

[rebuilder 454]

but is it true? i guess thats irrelevant if we can successfully pull off the guilt by association tactic. i am just thankful i dont have to resort to such shallow schemes. i couldnt live with such shame.

Only one remedy for shame.
JESUS.
BLESSED BE HIS HOLY NAME

 

[rebuilder 454]

congrats on successfully dodging that question 3 times in a row.
i dont agree with what Lennon said, i guess it could be worse, like the trinity heretic hunters that sent thousands to their death for not accepting something thats not even in the bible.

Blaming others for your resistance to the bible?

 

[rebuilder 454]

John 20 30-31

30Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

i always thought the end of John was interesting, they tell us Jesus did all these things, many miracles, but the main focus, according to those taught by Him, was that Jesus was the Christ, Jesus was the Son of the Most High.
no mention of Jesus being G-D, no mention of a trinity.

Now include the trinity verses you were shown about 50 times.

 

[Hiddenthings]

THANK YOU JESUS !!!!!!!!!

Heb 2:14 - devil destroyed through death.

How is that possible?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Heb 2:14 - devil destroyed through death.

How is that possible?

A shift in power.
The devil is now subject to Jesus and us His anointed warriors.

The kingdom is now God's.
Earth has shifted.
New sheriff in town.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well your first problem is here Jesus became Immortal

Your reply is a link?

So you can't reply to my question?

No one can.

 

[Hiddenthings]

A shift in power.
The devil is now subject to Jesus and us His anointed warriors.

The kingdom is now God's.
Earth has shifted.
New sheriff in town.

You don't really believe that...you know why right?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Your reply is a link?

So you can't reply to my question?

No one can.

You asked who or what became flesh, but to answer that, you first have to ask: what became anything in the beginning?

God said, “Let there be light,” and by His Word, creation came into being.

In the same way, in a particular moment in history, Christ became the manifestation of God's Word in the flesh. Through his obedience to that Word and His willing sacrifice, He became the Living Word, the very embodiment of God's will and truth.

But John 1 can’t be understood in isolation. Trying to interpret it apart from the broader biblical narrative leads to distorted and unbiblical ideas.

The Link challenges you to recognize: Christ is a creative work of God, not apart from Him, but as the very expression of His Word and purpose.

 

[marks]

You don't really believe that...you know why right?

This isn't a real question of course, you know that, right?

 

[Hiddenthings]

This isn't a real question of course, you know that, right?

It was Mark’s! How can you say this creature has no power today? If it's truly powerless, then why all the concern? A powerless being wouldn't be considered an enemy.

It goes to show how Christians are confused on this subject and are simply making it up on the fly as the Bible is silent on the subject of a fallen angel.

 

[marks]

It was Mark’s!

I actually don't think so. I think is was disengenuous . . . "now, I know you don't believe what you just said you believe."

I've been at this a long time. I know games when I see them.

I don't even know what topic you are discussing in particular, I just saw your post, and wanted to comment on what I saw. So there it is.

You're one of those who do not believe Jesus is God, is that right? I know you believe in your heart He is, you know you do, do you know why you do?

You see how this works, right?

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

I actually don't think so. It comes across as disengenuous . . . "now, I know you don't believe what you just said you believe."

So you can judge the motives of men?

I've been at this a long time. I know games when I see them.

It's not a game Marks - if you are unable to explain his reply with logic and reason then how can he or you believe what he wrote?

I don't even know what topic you are discussing in particular, I just saw your post, and wanted to comment on what I saw. So there it is.

So, you are responding out of ignorance?

You're one of those who do not believe Jesus is God, is that right?

Much love!

How can he be? Jesus was given immortality and life - you understand why right?