Jesus is God

[Muna]

Actually ......when Moses was talking to the Burning Bush..(God)........ He asked God for His '"name.""

God said......"I Am that I Am".

And Jesus told the Pharisees, that he existed before Abraham, as = "I AM".

So, He identified Himself as God to the Pharisees, including those on this forum.



"Man" is created in the image of the invisable God.

"Let US make MAN.......in OUR Image".

So, you are not realizing what you are posting., you are just "cut and pasting", out of context.



Jesus is the express image of God.....because He is : "God was manifested in the Flesh".




The "only begotten of God"", is God wrapped in Human Flesh, (Virgin Born).




If your read Genesis, you have God who "Spoke Creation", and Jesus pre-incarnate is the "WORD" of God."

If you read John 1:10......It says that '"""JESUS made the World", and of course He did., as Jesus is "God manifested in the Flesh".

If you read Colossians 1:16, it says that He made everything and upholds it with His power.

I think if you read my former post, I acknowledge Jesus is the Word that WAS ALSO WITH GOD and have stated many times before that God created all things by Jesus Christ. Who is the Word made flesh.

I am speaking of Jesus being begotten of God when he was raised from the dead which is where he openly declared to be the Son of God.

And I believe God was in Christ

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone

That he was not alone, and did all his works by the Father who was with him.

Is it always this laboursome to post scripture to you which you then take chop up and bark at?

 

[MonoBiblical]

We have the word of God.....that is the written word.......so the "w" lower case .

We have the Word of God... that is pre-incarnate Jesus who is the "Word" "W" upper case..

Notice.

1.) """"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...

2.) And the Word (John 1) was = made flesh, (virgin born) and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."""

Capital and lower case letters are a rediculous contrivance. But YHWH and LORD are all capital. But Jesus and Lord are not. The word in John 1:1 except 1:1c ο λογος ουτος a word another is the God. Jesus is a different word and wasn't in the beginning like a freak Hellenic mangod.

Scripta Continua as part of Greek usually doesn't have alternating uppercase lower letter; it is usually just lower case, and the rules are not the same for uppercase like English.

 

[Behold]

Capital and lower case letters are a rediculous contrivance

1.) When Moses was talking to the Burning Bush..(God)........ He asked God for His '"name.""

God said......"I Am that I Am".

And Jesus told the Pharisees, that he existed before Abraham, as = "I AM".

So, He identified Himself as God to the Pharisees, including those on this forum.

2.) If your read Genesis, you have God who "Spoke Creation", and Jesus pre-incarnate is the "WORD" of God."

If you read John 1:10......It says that '"""JESUS made the World", and of course He did., as Jesus is "God manifested in the Flesh".

If you read Colossians 1:16, it says that He made everything and upholds it with His power.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus covered that part in Matthew 10:28 when He told us to not fear those who can kill our flesh body, but NOT our SOUL.

So you tell me, what does that mean happens to our Soul if our flesh body is killed? To cover that Jesus said the following in that Scripture...

"... but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28).

And per other Bible Scripture, like what happens to our flesh body after flesh death, it goes back to the elements of the earth where it came from, so the "body" in that latter phrase above cannot mean the flesh body that perishes in hell. It's about one's spirit body that perishes with the soul in hell. The Revelation 20 Chapter calls that perishing the "second death". The first death is the death of one's flesh body; but the "second death" is about one's spirit body and soul perishing at the future "lake of fire".

Spirit body, again your conflating words and ideals that aren’t scriptural.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I think if you read my former post, I acknowledge Jesus is the Word that WAS ALSO WITH GOD and have stated many times before that God created all things by Jesus Christ. Who is the Word made flesh.

I am speaking of Jesus being begotten of God when he was raised from the dead which is where he openly declared to be the Son of God.

And I believe God was in Christ

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone

That he was not alone, and did all his works by the Father who was with him.

Is it always this laboursome to post scripture to you which you then take chop up and bark at?

No, that just Origen's version of the Septuagint, and the response in the LXX was like Greek article ο Greek participle ων. A one who was doing that. True, the Hebrew has the word YHWH which few know what it means. It is related to the 2 causative Aramaic forms of 'to be'. 1 past tense and 1 future. Even if you were right, it would require a pantheist god and not divinehood for the messiah.

 

[MonoBiblical]

And I believe God was in Christ

How was the God in the Messiah? This is first said by Ignatius of Antioch.

 

[PS95]

How was the God in the Messiah? This is first said by Ignatius of Antioch.

It was first said by Jesus and then by Paul twice--- not Ignatius

 

[MonoBiblical]

It was first said by Paul twice--- not Ignatius

More times than that even. Yet Ignatius had a different idea than Paul. At least, I can explain his confusion better.

 

[Muna]

No, that just Origen's version of the Septuagint, and the response like Greek article ο Greek participle ων. A one who was doing that. True, the Hebrew has the word YHWH which few know what it means. It is related to the 2 causative Aramaic forms of 'to be'. 1 past tense and 1 future. Even if you were right, it would require a pantheist god and not divinehood for the messiah.

Come again? This time as if talking to a fifth grader

 

[Muna]

How was the God in the Messiah? This is first said by Ignatius of Antioch.

2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone

John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

 

[Davy]

Spirit body, again your conflating words and ideals that aren’t scriptural.

No, I am not. You simply have been listening to FALSE DOCTRINES OF MEN instead of the actual written Bible Scripture.

In 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul showed that the TYPE body of the future resurrection, AND CHANGE at the "last trump", is to a SPIRITUAL BODY. Got that? A "spiritual body"!

How is it that you have in yourself listed as a Christian, and you are not familiar with the following Bible Scripture?

1 Cor 15:42-50
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, 'The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.'

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

 

[MonoBiblical]

Come again? This time as if talking to a fifth grader

εγω ειμι was the response given.

 

[PS95]

More times than that even. Yet Ignatius had a different idea than Paul. At least, I can explain his confusion better.

So then why did you say Ignatius was first?
I don't trust anything from Iggy- too many interpolations.
I found Justin interesting.

 

[Muna]

εγω ειμι was the response given.

Maybe a 1st grader, if this is a fifth grader

 

[MonoBiblical]

2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone

John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

Yes he YHWH reconciled at the messiah, to his own self Israel. The rest proves only the sonship.

 

[MonoBiblical]

So then why did you say Ignatius was first?
I don't trust anything from Iggy- too many interpolations.
I found Justin interesting.

Ignatius was an interesting Valentinian with his weird theology. I like him for historical reasons. I have heard the syrian versions are key to knowing what he really worded.

 

[Muna]

Yes he YHWH reconciled at the messiah, to his own self Israel. The rest proves only the sonship.

He is the Son of God, not sure what your point is

 

[Muna]

2 Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[Waiting on him]

No, I am not. You simply have been listening to FALSE DOCTRINES OF MEN instead of the actual written Bible Scripture.

In 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul showed that the TYPE body of the future resurrection, AND CHANGE at the "last trump", is to a SPIRITUAL BODY. Got that? A "spiritual body"!

How is it that you have in yourself listed as a Christian, and you are not familiar with the following Bible Scripture?

1 Cor 15:42-50
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, 'The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.'

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/spirit-emerges-space-soul-aura-600nw-1378730588.jpg

Is this the sort of cartoon you’re envisioning?

 

[Muna]

Actually ......

The "only begotten of God"", is God wrapped in Human Flesh, (Virgin Born).

Sorry, I am canning tomatoes today and havent that much time to answer as fully as I would like, but this deserves a better response than some chicken scratch back at cha.

Your above response was to Psalm 2:7 has to do with Jesus days in the flesh, or the Word "made flesh" (or his being made of a woman made under the law). But the "begotten" in Psalm 2:7 has nothing to do with the days of his flesh but Jesus being begotten "from the dead."

Psalm 2:7 Is showing us before his resurrection, the LORD speaking to the Lord Jesus Christ who himself is declaring the decree "at this time"

Jesus speaking

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (Jesus Christ), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (See Romans 1:4) because this is when (with power) he is declared the Son fo God.

Which scripture had to be fulfilled ( See again, Acts 1:33) which is a quote of that very psalm (Psalm 2:7, which you attribute wrongly to the virgin birth)

Acts 1:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their childrent , IN THAT he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee.

Which is also shown to us in Heb 5:5 when it was at "the same time" Jesus was made a high priest

Heb 5:5 SO ALSO Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; BUT HE that said unto him, Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I begotten thee.

This happened after Jesus was cut off out of the land of the living (Isaiah 53:8) and departed the earth (ascended unto the Father) since Heb 8:4 even states, "if he were still on earth he should not be a priest"

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest

The second psalm is speaking of Christ, the first begotten of the dead (not his birth of virgin Mary)

He is the first begotten of the dead

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead

Edit: typos