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"God is with us" It is not a person, but rather an action. God was certainly with them. i.e. Israel.

Speaking of the name
  1. Immanuel = "God with us" or "with us is God"
    1. symbolic and prophetic name of the Messiah, the Christ, prophesying that He would be born of a virgin and would be 'God with us'

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ...

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
 

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It's always luck. Look at Job.
Well, let's consider Job for a moment.
Was Job a real person?
Was it folklore?

I'm speaking to a person that denies what Christianity teaches....
that believes persons of other religions could be saved...
and maybe even persons of no religion at all (I'd have to think that over since believing in God IS a faith system)...
that does not accept the Trinity, which is all over the bible (even in Job if I remember correctly - I'd have to check)
but then wants to "look at Job".

OK.
 

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Speaking of the name
  1. Immanuel = "God with us" or "with us is God"
    1. symbolic and prophetic name of the Messiah, the Christ, prophesying that He would be born of a virgin and would be 'God with us'
The God, who is with us, is not a messianic name, and happens to be the advent of the gospel. I disagree that it has to be a human being, and secondly, it is an event misinterpreted by the ECFs among other things.
 

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Speaking of the name
  1. Immanuel = "God with us" or "with us is God"
    1. symbolic and prophetic name of the Messiah, the Christ, prophesying that He would be born of a virgin and would be 'God with us'

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ...

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
You'd have to show that GOD WITH US was prophesied already in the OT.

Which it was.
Ezekiel said that GOD HIMSELF would come to shepherd His people.
Jesus called Himself the Good Shepherd....

Good night Truly...
good going...
 
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The God, who is with us, is not a messianic name, and happens to be the advent of the gospel. I disagree that it has to be a human being, and secondly, it is an event misinterpreted by the ECFs among other things.
That's the definition, how you understand it is yours
 
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You'd have to show that GOD WITH US was prophesied already in the OT.

Which it was.
Ezekiel said that GOD HIMSELF would come to shepherd His people.
Jesus called Himself the Good Shepherd....

Good night Truly...
good going...

Right, and he awakens a sword against his shepherd here

Zech 3:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

Matt 26:31
 
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The God, who is with us, is not a messianic name, and happens to be the advent of the gospel. I disagree that it has to be a human being, and secondly, it is an event misinterpreted by the ECFs among other things.
HOW do the ECFs misrepresent Jesus?

You made an incorrect post about Justin Martyr who believed that Jesus is God.

If you're going to make statements like this...
you'll have to provide source....

Your stating it does not make it so.

IMMANUEL is a title.
It means GOD WITH US.

God stated that He Himself would shepherd His people.
Ezekiel 34:11-12
11 For thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I
Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out.
12 "As a
shepherd cares for his herd in the day when he is among his scattered sheep, so I will care for My sheep and will deliver them from all the places to which they were scattered on a cloudy and gloomy day.


and

Ezekiel 34:17
17 "As for you, My flock, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Behold, I will judge between one sheep and another, between the rams and the male goats.



Seems to match up with:


Matthew 25:31-32
31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will
separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
 

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Right, and he awakens a sword against his shepherd here

Zech 3:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

Matt 26:31
It's not Zech 3.7,,,but I understand and it harmonizes with Jesus.
 

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Right, and he awakens a sword against his shepherd here

Zech 3:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

Matt 26:31
Zech 13:7
 
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It's not Zech 3.7,,,but I understand and it harmonizes with Jesus.

Yeah, I was using the one I did rather then Psalm 23:1

As it does say the LORD is my shepherd here

Psalm 23:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

The LORD also speaks of his own shepherd as he speaks of the same here

Zech 3:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

And Jesus is shown as that shepherd here

Mark 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
 
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Yeah, I was using the one I did rather then Psalm 23:1

As it does say the LORD is my shepherd here

Psalm 23:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

The LORD also speaks of his own shepherd as he speaks of the same here

Zech 3:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

And Jesus is shown as that shepherd here

Mark 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
Great work Truly !
 
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