Jesus is God

[Hiddenthings]

He was both the Son of God and the Son of Man.

Correct

78 times he refers to himself as son of man.

How many times of Son of God?

Even in his glorified state sitting at the right hand of God on High - how does he refer to himself?

Revelation 22:16

 

[HealthyShape]

Here is a verse which speaks to Christ's nature:

Romans 6:9: "We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him."

How did death have dominion over Jesus?

What do you mean by "how"? He was crucified.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@HealthyShape

When did Jesus become the Son of God with Power?

 

[HealthyShape]

Correct

78 times he refers to himself as son of man.

How many times of Son of God?

Even in his glorified state sitting at the right hand of God on High - how does he refer to himself?

Revelation 22:16

It is not a game of numbers. Both natures are fully in Him.

 

[Hiddenthings]

It is not a game of numbers. Both natures are fully in Him.

But the point is lost on you?

 

[HealthyShape]

@HealthyShape

When did Jesus become the Son of God with Power?

You mean before He created the Universe?

 

[Hiddenthings]

You mean before He created the Universe?

No, when did Jesus become the Son of God with Power (Immortalized Son!)

 

[HealthyShape]

But the point is lost on you?

Probably, I do not understand your points much. It seems to me you try to invent/find something, but I see no need to do that.

 

[HealthyShape]

No, when did Jesus become the Son of God with Power (Immortalized Son!)

Meaning? What does "Power" with the capital P mean?

 

[MonoBiblical]

I asked you (with your spiritual knowledge in mind) how it can be a human can live sinless as He did.

He can if God guides him. Many people pretend or delude themselves into thinking God guides them.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Meaning?

David, Jesus and Paul all agree Jesus was given LIFE at his resurrection.

As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35) and, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (for Life) except through me” (John 14:6).

“I live because of the Father” (John 6:57), and again, “As the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).

What does Romans 1:1-4 teach?

 

[HealthyShape]

David, Jesus and Paul all agree Jesus was given LIFE at his resurrection.

As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35) and, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (for Life) except through me” (John 14:6).

“I live because of the Father” (John 6:57), and again, “As the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).

What does Romans 1:1-4 teach?

These verses are before His resurrection. It seems to me you are confused, somehow.

 

[Hiddenthings]

These verses are before His resurrection. It seems to me you are confused, somehow.

Ah okay you believe Christ did not have life before his resurrection.

That’s exactly the point we’re discussing, Jesus could not have had two natures; otherwise, how could He be given immortality if He already possessed it?

I think it is you who is confused!

 

[Hiddenthings]

@HealthyShape maybe you should study the words of David, Jesus and Paul on this subject before opposing it.

 

[Muna]

No, when did Jesus become the Son of God with Power (Immortalized Son!)

With immortal flesh the resurrection

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake IN TIME PAST unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hebrews 1:2 Hath IN THESE LAST DAYS spoken unto us by HIS SON, whom he hath APPOINTED HEIR of all things, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS

And so when it says

Romans 1:4 AND DECLARED TO BE THE SON of God WITH POWER, according to the spirit of holiness, BY the resurrection FROM THE DEAD

The second psalm has something to say about THIS DAY

Psalm 2:7 I will DECLARE THE DECREE: the LORD hath said UNTO ME, Thou art MY SON;
THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN THEE.

Psalm 2:8 ASK OF ME, and I shall GIVE THEE the heathen FOR THINE INHERITANCE,
and the uttermost parts of the earth FOR THY possession.

That second Psalm in Acts 13:13

Acts 13:33 God HATH FULFILLED the same unto us their children,
IN THAT HE hath RAISED up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art MY SON, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN THEE.

Christ being the First begotten of the dead (Rev 1:5) and made an high priest the same day

Hebrews 5:5 SO ALSO Christ glorified NOT HIMSELF to be MADE an high priest; BUT HE that said unto HIM, THOU art MY SON, to day have I BEGOTTEN THEE.

Hebrews 5:6 As HE SAITH ALSO in another place, THOU art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

That other place

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto MY Lord, Sit thou at MY right hand, until I make THINE enemies thy footstool.

Three verses down

Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, THOU art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 10:13 FROM henceforth expecting till HIS enemies be made his footstool.

 

[Hiddenthings]

With immortal flesh the resurrection

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake IN TIME PAST unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hebrews 1:2 Hath IN THESE LAST DAYS spoken unto us by HIS SON, whom he hath APPOINTED HEIR of all things, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS

And so when it says

Romans 1:4 AND DECLARED TO BE THE SON of God WITH POWER, according to the spirit of holiness, BY the resurrection FROM THE DEAD

The second psalm has something to say about THIS DAY

Psalm 2:7 I will DECLARE THE DECREE: the LORD hath said UNTO ME, Thou art MY SON;
THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN THEE.

Psalm 2:8 ASK OF ME, and I shall GIVE THEE the heathen FOR THINE INHERITANCE,
and the uttermost parts of the earth FOR THY possession.

That second Psalm in Acts 13:13

Acts 13:33 God HATH FULFILLED the same unto us their children,
IN THAT HE hath RAISED up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art MY SON, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN THEE.

Christ being the First begotten of the dead (Rev 1:5) and made an high priest the same day

Hebrews 5:5 SO ALSO Christ glorified NOT HIMSELF to be MADE an high priest; BUT HE that said unto HIM, THOU art MY SON, to day have I BEGOTTEN THEE.

Hebrews 5:6 As HE SAITH ALSO in another place, THOU art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

That other place

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto MY Lord, Sit thou at MY right hand, until I make THINE enemies thy footstool.

Three verses down

Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, THOU art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 10:13 FROM henceforth expecting till HIS enemies be made his footstool.

You just copy and paste verses without demonstrating any understanding. That doesn’t help, how am I supposed to know what you actually believe?

 

[HealthyShape]

Ah okay you believe Christ did not have life before his resurrection.

What? I said the opposite.

 

[Muna]

You just copy and paste verses without demonstrating any understanding. That doesn’t help, how am I supposed to know what you actually believe?

Ofcourse Hiddenthings, what has gotten into me, none of them connect which demostrates my ignorance.

O' the shame of it all.

 

[HealthyShape]

@HealthyShape maybe you should study the words of David, Jesus and Paul on this subject before opposing it.

Maybe you should stop trying to be obscure, using newly invented terms without explanations and you should try to read my posts properly.

Slow down your posting, if you do not have time to think.

 

[Hiddenthings]

What? I said the opposite.

Yes

These verses are before His resurrection. It seems to me you are confused, somehow.

If you believe what you say, then you have a major problem.