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  1. VictoryinJesus

    VictoryinJesus Well-Known Member

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    why would God let them finish building a temple raised up and not built up of Him? Seriously the Tower of Babel ...they were so confounded they left off building. So my question is in waiting for this temple made of hands ‘to be finished’ or ‘complete’ ...can that not built of God ever be finished or complete?
     
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    Seriously, you do not know God is going to allow the orthodox unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem to build another temple for the end?

    See 2 Thessalonians 2, and Daniel 11:21-45.
     
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    yeah but we hear those verses differently. Not saying I’m right and you are wrong. Only asking how can a temple built unto God ever be finished or complete without a corner stone?
     
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    The orthodox Jews in Jerusalem already have a 'literal' cornerstone cut, even since 1989 (see The Cornerstone Is Ready)

    Obviously you're mind is still stuck in la-la land with your Bible interpretation. These are about literal events, not spiritualizations.
     
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    “a literal corner stone cut” ...cut out of the mountain of stone by who?

    eyes are on this third temple being built and it being finished. When: It is finished and complete seems to be the focal point of eyes. At least we agree God doesn’t dwell in temples made with hands. Or use “a literal corner stone cut”
     
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    Are you trying to be obnoxious? It seems like it.

    God's Word reveals the Jews will build a 3rd temple for the end of this world, and start up old covenant sacrifices again, in Jerusalem.

    A group of orthodox Jews in TODAY'S Jerusalem already have a cornerstone cut, a REAL one, you know, made of REAL STONE. I gave you the website link about it, but if you'd rather run your mouth instead of checking that out, fine. After this I will not reply to any more of your silly questions.
     
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    Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

    Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

    Stone cut out without hands...what Stone?
    “A group of orthodox Jews in TODAY'S Jerusalem already have a cornerstone cut, a REAL one, you know, made of REAL STONE.”

    Genesis 11:1-9 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. [2] And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. [3] And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. [4] And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. [5] And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. [6] And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. [7] Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. [8] So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. [9] Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

    Can confounded finish?

    1 Peter 2:5-7 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. [6] Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. [7] Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
     
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    Great, now we're going to get a lesson on every usage of the word 'stone' in The Bible??? and looks like all his examples above will NOT be about a REAL PHYSICAL STONE CUT WITH HANDS, which is the actual subject about the 3rd temple today's Jews will build in Jerusalem for the end of this world.
     
  9. Amos Ministries

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    We have to go with what the Word of God says about whether there will be a third physical temple.

    Daniel's prophecy does NOT mention a third temple.
    The scriptures clearly state that the Messiah (Anointed One) will be put to death. To the Jewish people, the Messiah would have “appeared” to have accomplished nothing, certainly not the forgiveness of sins and rebuilding the Temple (replacing the Temple with a spiritual Temple). After the Messiah’s death, the people of the ‘prince to come’ which is Islam, will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

    Historically speaking, Titus the Roman and his military army, tore down the second Temple. But the reason why the sanctuary (the Temple of God) can never be rebuilt is due to the Islamic Dome of The Rock mosque being built in its place.

    Continued…Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation…

    Muhammed is the ruler who confirmed promises that he believed were on behalf of God with the many Muslim people. The ‘abomination’ spoken of in verse 27 is referring to the Dome of the Rock mosque. It was built to commemorate Muhammed’s purported ascension to heaven from this location even though Muhammed had never physically visited Israel. According to the Qur’an, he only envisioned Israel in dreams and visions.

    The Dome of The Rock is what has actually stopped the Temple from being rebuilt. It has stood on the Temple mount for 1400 years and will continue to stand until the end of time as prophesied by Daniel who is the authority on end time prophecy in the Old Testament.

    Ezekiel 28:3 – You regard yourself as wiser than Daniel and think no secret is hidden from you.

    Daniel does not mention the ‘abomination’ being torn down, nor does he mention the physical Temple being rebuilt at any time. Jesus himself referred only to the prophet Daniel when speaking of the end times.

    Matthew 24:15 NIV – So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand.

    Continuation of Daniel 9:27…until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

    The destruction of the ruler who ended the daily sacrifices by the building of the ‘abomination that causes desolation’ is referring to Muhammed. He is the reason why the Dome of the Rock mosque was built as he claimed to ascend to heaven in a vision from this location.

    Revelation 20:10 – And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast [Islam] and the false prophet [Muhammed] had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Daniel 7:11 – “Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn [Muhammed] was speaking. I kept looking until the beast [Islam] was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire.

    Revelation 16:13 – Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon [Satan], out of the mouth of the beast [Islam] and out of the mouth of the false prophet [Muhammed].

    Revelation 19:20 – But the beast [Islam] was captured, and with it the false prophet [Muhammed] who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

    The book of Daniel, is the only book in the Bible that gives a clear timeline of end time prophecies. According to Daniel, the Messiah must come before the destruction of the second Temple. There is no mention of a third physical Temple ever being rebuilt.

    Daniel 9:24 – “Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

    This prophecy was accomplished through Jesus’ ministry. After Jesus’ death and resurrection, the physical, earthly Temple of God was allowed to remain for a time but then it was destroyed. The physical Temple was always meant to be a temporary dwelling place for God. The earthly sacrificial system of atonement was also temporary, meaning that it had to be continuously repeated year after year. Even if this earthly Temple was ever rebuilt, it would still be temporary because of the continuous requirement of atonement due to unknown sin.

    Through Jesus’ message of truth, an era of everlasting righteousness has begun. Jesus’ righteous message makes atonement for us and has put an end to iniquity (unknown sin). His revelatory, uncompromising teachings provide us with eternal atonement for iniquity (unknown sin). We now have knowledge of all our unknown sin through Jesus’ teachings. Thus making the earthly physical temple system obsolete. Atoning for iniquity (unknown sin) was the main purpose and function of the Temple of God. Since through Jesus’ teachings, there is no longer such a thing as unknown sin (iniquity), there is no need for the Temple.

    Hebrews 8:12-13 – And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.” 13 When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.

    This is why God allowed the Temple to be destroyed; never to be physically rebuilt again. Through Jesus, iniquity has been eradicated for good. This is the sacrifice Jesus made for us; he spoke a pure, uncompromised message that ultimately led to his brutal death. He did this so that we could have the opportunity to hear the truth and be saved for eternity from our iniquity (unknown sin). This is how Jesus replaces the earthly Temple system thus, making it obsolete.
     
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    What part of Daniel 11:21-45 mentions a third temple being rebuilt?

    2 Thessalonians 2 is speaking about an abomination/desolation which will be setup on the Temple site. This is the Dome of The Rock mosque which is the abomination that is not supposed to be there.
     
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    The Jews know that the Messiah has to rebuild the Temple as per Zechariah 6:12-13. e The point is the Messiah has to build the temple. But Jesus already came and he never built a physical temple!

    So what temple did he build? A spiritual one which is eternal and everlasting and can never be destroyed!
     
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    Yes we do, and that is exactly... what I am doing when I mentioned the relevant Scriptures from the Book of Daniel, and Matthew 24, and 2 Thessalonians 2, etc. Whew! How many times does one have to REPEAT that because of those hard of hearing?!?


    Yes it does. You are preaching falseness, telling a lie by saying it does not.
    A "sanctuary" being transgressed is mentioned in Daniel 8; being desolated in Daniel 11 involving the placing of an abomination, and in Daniel 12.

    For those who don't know, the idea of a "sanctuary" in the Book of Daniel means a temple.

    The rest of your post is just you rambling, completely off the subject of Christ's "abomination of desolation" warning for the end of this world, which is about the placing of an idol abomination inside a new built 3rd temple in Jerusalem by the unbelieving Jews.

    Those who deny this fact about another temple built by the Jews for the end, in order to fulfill the Daniel and Matthew 24 prophecy about the "abomination of desolation", show their alignment with the world and not within God's written Word.
     
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    Dan 11:31
    31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

    KJV

    Got to have a standing "sanctuary" before it can be 'polluted' by the placing of an idol abomination. Common sense thus says there MUST BE A STANDING SANCTUARY, A JEWISH ONE, for that to happen. In The Book of Daniel it is NEVER referring to a pagan temple!! It is always referring to God's temple in Jerusalem.


    Brethren, don't be fooled by those like Amos Ministries here preaching against... the idea of another Jewish temple built for the end so the "abomination of desolation" will take place. They are just following the status quo false seminary doctrines of men that are designed to HIDE this matter about the end.

    The FACTS:
    1. In 165 B.C., one named Antiochus Epiphanes took Jerusalem with an army, ended the Jew's daily sacrifices, went into the 2nd temple (YES! a Jewish temple!), and sacrificed swine upon the altar, and spread its broth around inside that temple, polluting it. Then he setup an altar inside that temple to pagan Zeus worship, placing an idol abomination upon it, and demanded all to bow to it. That is what the idea in Daniel 11 about the placing of an abomination polluting the sanctuary is about. It's about spiritual desolation of the Jew's temple with an idol abomination. This history is per the Jewish historian Josephus.

    2. Approximately 26-29 A.D., Lord Jesus warned of the "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel in association with the Signs of the end of this world, per Matthew 24 and Mark 13. That moved the Daniel 11 prophecy about the "vile person" who sets up the idol abomination to the end of this world, in the last generation. Reason is, because when Jesus gave the AOD prophecy while upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples, Antiochus IV had already been dead for about 200 years. So Lord Jesus could in no way have been speaking about Antiochus, and thus it has to mean to look for it being fulfilled sometime future to His 1st coming.

    3. In 70 A.D, the Roman general Titus took Jerusalem with an army, and they 'tried'... to get possession of the 2nd temple, but failed. The 2nd temple burned down before they could get possession of it (per Josephus who lived around 100 A.D.). Thus the Romans DID NOT place an idol abomination inside the 2nd temple like Antiochus IV did over 270 years earlier. That 70 A.D. event DID NOT fulfill the "abomination of desolation" prophecy, still moving its fulfillment in the future.

    4. In Matthew 24:23-26, Jesus connected false worship with the coming of a pseudochristos, translated "false Christs", but is actually about a singular pseudo-Christ, the deceived will say is Christ, and Jesus said to not believe it. Jesus warned that false one will work great signs and wonders that if possible, would deceive even His very elect. That is about the coming Antichrist for the end of this world.

    5. In Revelation 13:11, the "another beast", a 2nd beast, comes LIKE a lamb with two horns, but speaks as a dragon (Satan). He is shown doing great signs and miracles in the sight of men. That is that coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem for the end, the Antichrist, and we are shown there about his setting up an idol abomination, the "image of the beast", for all to bow in false worship to, or be killed. That... is the "abomination of desolation" idol to be setup at the end of this world for the time of "great tribulation". It is that placing of the idol in a NEW 3RD TEMPLE in Jerusalem that sets the coming "great tribulation" off.
     
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    Is Jesus God ? yes or no

    Thanks !
     
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    The abomination and the desolation are the dome of the rock mosque. Islam does not believe Jesus is the son of God and they do not believe Jesus died on the cross - they are the abomination who contradicts the rest of the biblical prophets.


    It is the dome of the rock mosque that is the abomination of desolation. It is built on the site of the temple and this is an abomination! Islam believes that Jesus is not the son of God. Islam believes that Jesus did not die on the cross - this is all abominations. If this is not an abomination on the site of the holy of holies, I don’t know what is!

    You’re the one being fooled! The Jews don’t believe in Jesus as the Messiah because they believe in a third physical temple and they believe that the Messiah shall build a third physical temple. Scriptures do state that the Messiah shall build the temple but it was a spiritual temple that Jesus the Messiah built and is a priest in it according to the order of Melchizedek not a Levitical priest.

    So if you don’t believe that Jesus the Messiah, built a spiritual temple then you do not even understand the Scriptures. You do not understand that this is prophesied that the messiah shall build the temple. Study more. Zechariah 6:13
     
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    No, the "abomination of desolation" is NOT the Dome of the Rock.

    The "abomination that maketh desolate" in Daniel 11:31 that will be placed by the symbolic "vile person" is about an IDOL inside a JEWISH TEMPLE in Jerusalem.

    Antiochus IV was the actual blueprint for it in 170 B.C., but not who will fulfill that Daniel prophecy, simply because Jesus warned of that "abomination of desolation" about 200 years after Antiochus had bee dead (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14).


    I'm not being fooled, you are, with your acceptance of the false Pre-trib Rapture theory. You are not heeding Christ's and His Apostle's warnings about the coming of a false-Messiah that shows up in Jerusalem first, whom the unbelieving Jews will proclaim as their Messiah.

    So what's this stupid stuff about the Jews don't believe in Jesus? Of course we know the unbelieving Jews don't accept Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah, which proves absolutely nothing involving the Dome of the Rock. People like you just like to make any old excuse you can for the gullible who don't think for themselves.

    The temple which Lord Jesus will build is shown the Ezekiel 40 through 47 chapters. That temple has never... yet appeared on earth during this world, and it will be right here, on earth, as written there, its location even given in the 47th chapter.

    I never said I didn't believe in the spiritual temple concept that Apostle Paul taught in Ephesians 2. And I well understand the difference between it, and the "temple of God" which Apostle Paul taught of in 2 Thess.2. But you... do NOT understand the difference!

    The spiritual temple CANNOT BE CORRUPTED BY ANY MAN, NOR ANGEL, NOT EVEN BY THE DEVIL. How can you not know this? Why cannot it not be corrupted? Simply because the spiritual temple of Eph.2 has as it foundation God's prophets, the Apostles, and Christ Jesus as it's Cornerstone; and even those in Christ as "lively stones" in it. So tell me HOW... can that ever be corrupted??? It CANNOT! If ANY believer tried to corrupt it by their own falseness, they are simply CUT OFF from that spiritual temple!

    So the doctrine of men that says the 2 Thessalonians 2:4 "temple of God" is about the spiritual temple of Ephesians 2 reveals they are followers of devils that dreamed that false idea up! ONLY a devil would assume the spiritual temple with Christ as its Cornerstone could be corrupted!
     
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    I don't believe in the rapture.

    This is Muhammed. The Dome of the Rock mosque is the building put on the site of the Temple. Muhammed is the false lawless one. He claims Jesus is not the son of God and did not die on the cross.

    I am stating that the Jews don't believe in Jesus because they believe the Messiah had to build the Jewish temple as it stats in
    Zechariah 6:13 - It is he who will build the temple of the Lord, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.’

    Therefore, by you stating a third physical temple must be rebuilt, you are denying that Jesus is the Messiah and you are stating that Jesus did not rebuild the temple spiritually but rather that another Messiah will come and rebuild a third physical temple.

    You don't think! You have no idea what you're talking about.

    There will never be spiritual temple AND a physical temple. Paul is stating that Jesus has made the physical temple obsolete. Why would God have another physical temple rebuilt? If the physical temple is reinstated, the Jewish people would be able to atone for their sin WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH JESUS. Do you think GOD would let this happen? What would have been the point of Jesus' sacrifice? THINK!!

    You are deluded. You don't know what you are talking about. There is only one temple and it is spiritual. The false temple is the Dome of the Rock mosque built on the temple site.
     
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    Remember something important the first thing before the temple was consider man never needed the temple, G-d made the temple inside you. Man is obssesed with temples but prayer and worship of him is based on the human body. The temple is need for the end times, but still the most important calls of mathew 24 Jesus says war, rumours of war, disease, floods, and all disasters will come but the end is not near.

    Because the preaching of the word is the last and most important things Jesus before his coming. The temple will not end the war just bring more war and diseas the world will still hold even after the building and destruction of it.
     
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    Agreed. They are already gathering the materials as well as interviewing priests. The Antichrist will make it desolate when he declares that he is God. The Jews will have their eyes finally opened to see the Truth, amen!
     
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    Well, the word 'rapture' is not in The Bible it's true, but the Greek word harpazo is, which is translated to "caught up" in the KJV. So you're refusal to believe that event doesn't mean anything, won't affect it either way.

    No, it won't be Muhammed. No orthodox Jew is going to worship Muhammed as their Messiah of The Bible. It's silly to even continue discussion of this with you, since you show such Biblical ignorance on these issues.
     
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