Jesus was made Lord and Christ at His resurrection

[robert derrick]

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

This looks to me to be speaking of Jesus after His resurrection, which is when Peter is speaking to them that crucified Him.

I say the significance of this, is that by His resurrection He is now made both Lord and Christ for the whole world, and not just the Jews and born children of Israel after the flesh.

We know He was already both Lord and Christ in the flesh, because Scripture says Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and not just a man called Jesus.

Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

He was born king of the Jews in being made flesh, but He is now made Lord and Kind for all the earth, by His resurrection.

I believe this is another reason for the importance of believing in His resurrection, otherwise, He would have been Lord and Christ for the Jews only, and not for the rest of us.

Jesus is made by God both Lord and Christ for our good, and not for our dominion only, because He is also the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, and not for the Jews only.

Without believing in His resurrection, we cannot be believing Him as Lord and Christ and Savior.

Otherwise, He would remain a past Jew, that claimed to be a born king of Israel from the house of David. He would be just another Jew claiming to be messiah.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

This looks to me to be speaking of Jesus after His resurrection, which is when Peter is speaking to them that crucified Him.

I say the significance of this, is that by His resurrection He is now made both Lord and Christ for the whole world, and not just the Jews and born children of Israel after the flesh.

We know He was already both Lord and Christ in the flesh, because Scripture says Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and not just a man called Jesus.

Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

He was born king of the Jews in being made flesh, but He is now made Lord and Kind for all the earth, by His resurrection.

I believe this is another reason for the importance of believing in His resurrection, otherwise, He would have been Lord and Christ for the Jews only, and not for the rest of us.

Jesus is made by God both Lord and Christ for our good, and not for our dominion only, because He is also the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, and not for the Jews only.

Without believing in His resurrection, we cannot be believing Him as Lord and Christ and Savior.

Otherwise, He would remain a past Jew, that claimed to be a born king of Israel from the house of David. He would be just another Jew claiming to be messiah.

Actually it was at his baptism Robert, his anointing by holy spirit made him the Christ, which means anointed sir. He became King at the end of the appointed times of the nations, and gave us the signs to watch for to know that has happened, and that started the last days of this world as given to us in Mat 24

 

[Davy]

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

This looks to me to be speaking of Jesus after His resurrection, which is when Peter is speaking to them that crucified Him.

I say the significance of this, is that by His resurrection He is now made both Lord and Christ for the whole world, and not just the Jews and born children of Israel after the flesh.

We know He was already both Lord and Christ in the flesh, because Scripture says Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and not just a man called Jesus.

Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

He was born king of the Jews in being made flesh, but He is now made Lord and Kind for all the earth, by His resurrection.

I believe this is another reason for the importance of believing in His resurrection, otherwise, He would have been Lord and Christ for the Jews only, and not for the rest of us.

Jesus is made by God both Lord and Christ for our good, and not for our dominion only, because He is also the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, and not for the Jews only.

Without believing in His resurrection, we cannot be believing Him as Lord and Christ and Savior.

Otherwise, He would remain a past Jew, that claimed to be a born king of Israel from the house of David. He would be just another Jew claiming to be messiah.

Lord Jesus Christ was actually KING even before... the foundation of the world.

Those who understand Hebrews 7 about Melchisedec realize that.

 

[robert derrick]

Actually it was at his baptism Robert, his anointing by holy spirit made him the Christ, which means anointed sir. He became King at the end of the appointed times of the nations, and gave us the signs to watch for to know that has happened, and that started the last days of this world as given to us in Mat 24

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jesus was Christ come in the flesh, not made Christ afterward, which is to deny Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Jesus Christ was born in the flesh and baptized with the Holy Ghost.

 

[robert derrick]

Lord Jesus Christ was actually KING even before... the foundation of the world.

Those who understand Hebrews 7 about Melchisedec realize that.

True. The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

But, until He did it in the world, He was not yet made it for all the world.

He was the Word, Lord, Christ, and King before the world began, and He was born King and Messiah of the Jews in the flesh, and now with His resurrection, He is made the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, for the the Jews first and then the Gentiles.

 

[Davy]

True. The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

But, until He did it in the world, He was not yet made it for all the world.

He was the Word, Lord, Christ, and King before the world began, and He was born King and Messiah of the Jews in the flesh, and now with His resurrection, He is made the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, for the the Jews first and then the Gentiles.

Lord Jesus Christ never was literally 'made' (i.e., created). Jesus is God come in the flesh, which is the meaning of His name Immanuel (Matthew 1:23).

You are confusing His flesh body with His Spirit. It was His flesh body that was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, per Hebrews 2:9. His Spirit never changed. He was still God while in the flesh, still God before He was born through woman's womb, and still God after His death and resurrection, which is why the following is written...

Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
KJV

I pretty well know where the false idea that Jesus only came into existence when He was born through woman's womb originates, and it is not from God in His Word.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jesus was Christ come in the flesh, not made Christ afterward, which is to deny Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Jesus Christ was born in the flesh and baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Exactly! Jesus was born in the flesh, and baptized with the holy spirit, at which point he became the Christ. I guess you are unaware of what the word Christ means Rob, so was I sir, it means anointed. Jehovah anointed Jesus with holy spirit at his baptism in 29 CE the prophesied year of the Christ. Dan 9 24,25

 

[Davy]

Exactly! Jesus was born in the flesh, and baptized with the holy spirit, at which point he became the Christ. I guess you are unaware of what the word Christ means Rob, so was I sir, it means anointed. Jehovah anointed Jesus with holy spirit at his baptism in 29 CE the prophesied year of the Christ. Dan 9 24,25

Nah, Jesus was The Christ even before... He was born in the flesh, the same yesterday, today, and forever.

The idea that He had to become... The Christ is an esoteric Occult thought...

The Occultists teach that the "Christ Spirit" is like a force that anyone can attune to and become like Christ. Some of them even use a term like, "Christ Consciousness". They falsely claim Buddha had it, Mohammed had it, Krishna had it, etc. And that YOU can get it.

What that kind of stupidity actually is saying is the SAME TEMPTATION that old serpent did upon Eve in God's Garden of Eden, that if you eat of the forbidden tree in the midst of the garden, you'll become your own god.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Nah, Jesus was The Christ even before... He was born in the flesh, the same yesterday, today, and forever.

The idea that He had to become... The Christ is an esoteric Occult thought...

The Occultists teach that the "Christ Spirit" is like a force that anyone can attune to and become like Christ. Some of them even use a term like, "Christ Consciousness". They falsely claim Buddha had it, Mohammed had it, Krishna had it, etc. And that YOU can get it.

What that kind of stupidity actually is saying is the SAME TEMPTATION that old serpent did upon Eve in God's Garden of Eden, that if you eat of the forbidden tree in the midst of the garden, you'll become your own god.

There you have it Davy, I gathered you didn't. Research the word sir, don't take my word for it.

 

[robert derrick]

Lord Jesus Christ never was literally 'made' (i.e., created). Jesus is God come in the flesh, which is the meaning of His name Immanuel (Matthew 1:23).

You are confusing His flesh body with His Spirit. It was His flesh body that was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, per Hebrews 2:9. His Spirit never changed. He was still God while in the flesh, still God before He was born through woman's womb, and still God after His death and resurrection, which is why the following is written...

Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
KJV

I pretty well know where the false idea that Jesus only came into existence when He was born through woman's womb originates, and it is not from God in His Word.

You are confusing the teaching of being made Lord and Christ for the world, by offering Himself a sacrifice for the sins of the world, vs being made.

Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and so the Word was made flesh. Not made.

The Word and Lord and Lamb of God was never made to be, but was made flesh when coming down out of heaven, and was made to be both Lord and Christ for all the earth, when resurrecting from the dead.

Don't inadvertently turn this into an argument about the Godhead, or it will be shut down.

The point being made, is specifically about how the Lord and Christ in heaven, came down from heaven to be made flesh on earth, and so was made both Lord and Christ for earth also, by His death, burial, and resurrection.

So that now He has all power over all of heaven and earth:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him.

 

[robert derrick]

Actually it was at his baptism Robert, his anointing by holy spirit made him the Christ, which means anointed sir. He became King at the end of the appointed times of the nations, and gave us the signs to watch for to know that has happened, and that started the last days of this world as given to us in Mat 24

If he was made Christ after coming in the flesh, then He was not Jesus Christ that is come in the flesh.

The Word and Christ was made flesh, not His flesh was made Christ after coming into the world.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You teach the same as those that say Christ took over another man's body, when baptized into it. It's the demon-possession of a false christ and spirit of error.

 

[robert derrick]

Nah, Jesus was The Christ even before... He was born in the flesh, the same yesterday, today, and forever.

The idea that He had to become... The Christ is an esoteric Occult thought...

The Occultists teach that the "Christ Spirit" is like a force that anyone can attune to and become like Christ. Some of them even use a term like, "Christ Consciousness". They falsely claim Buddha had it, Mohammed had it, Krishna had it, etc. And that YOU can get it.

What that kind of stupidity actually is saying is the SAME TEMPTATION that old serpent did upon Eve in God's Garden of Eden, that if you eat of the forbidden tree in the midst of the garden, you'll become your own god.

This is on display here.

By saying the man Jesus was not Lord and Christ, until after being baptized with the Spirit, is to say his body was made Christ.

It's the old heresy, that says the Christ-Spirit came and took over a man's body, and then left him hanging on a cross.

 

[Davy]

There you have it Davy, I gathered you didn't. Research the word sir, don't take my word for it.

I have no need to have doubts about Jesus Christ as God even before... He was born in the flesh. And when He returns, the doubters won't have that need any more either. They will know like all those who keep His Word well know.

 

[Robert Gwin]

If he was made Christ after coming in the flesh, then He was not Jesus Christ that is come in the flesh.

The Word and Christ was made flesh, not His flesh was made Christ after coming into the world.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You teach the same as those that say Christ took over another man's body, when baptized into it. It's the demon-possession of a false christ and spirit of error.

I stated very clearly what I teach sir. I believe every faith has some things in common. You most likely are ignorant of what the word Christ means, which most likely will not prevent you from salvation, we both believe Jesus came in the flesh Rob, as he had to be the corresponding ransom for Adam. Jesus' being made Christ was a different usage than other Christs recorded for us in the Bible, but the word is consistent in it's meaning.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I have no need to have doubts about Jesus Christ as God even before... He was born in the flesh. And when He returns, the doubts won't have that need any more either. They will know like all those who keep His Word well know.

I will give you a good reason Dave 2 Thes 1:6-9. Best reason I can think of, and no doubt unless you do not believe that is true, you will agree that is a very good reason.

 

[Davy]

You are confusing the teaching of being made Lord and Christ for the world, by offering Himself a sacrifice for the sins of the world, vs being made.

Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and so the Word was made flesh. Not made.

The Word and Lord and Lamb of God was never made to be, but was made flesh when coming down out of heaven, and was made to be both Lord and Christ for all the earth, when resurrecting from the dead.

Don't inadvertently turn this into an argument about the Godhead, or it will be shut down.

The point being made, is specifically about how the Lord and Christ in heaven, came down from heaven to be made flesh on earth, and so was made both Lord and Christ for earth also, by His death, burial, and resurrection.

So that now He has all power over all of heaven and earth:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him.

I'm not confusing anything, I am sticking to the written Word of God.

Hebrews 2 reveals that Christ being born in the flesh for suffering is what the idea of being made a little lower than the angels is about.. You trying to twist that is blasphemy against The Word of God...

Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, Who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
KJV

 

[Davy]

This is on display here.

By saying the man Jesus was not Lord and Christ, until after being baptized with the Spirit, is to say his body was made Christ.

It's the old heresy, that says the Christ-Spirit came and took over a man's body, and then left him hanging on a cross.

Jesus of Nazareth did not have to EARN His position as The Christ through baptism like you are trying to deceive others here into believing!

And I will say again as before, Lord Jesus was The Christ before... He was born in the flesh through woman, and was The Christ during His Ministry on earth, and still is The Christ today!

The idea that Jesus was NOT The Christ until He was baptized is an idea pushed by Occultists. And I explained 'how' they view that term 'Christ' as a cosmic force and not a title ONLY for Jesus Christ like God with us (Matthew 1:23).

 

[Davy]

I will give you a good reason Dave 2 Thes 1:6-9. Best reason I can think of, and no doubt unless you do not believe that is true, you will agree that is a very good reason.

Like to just throw up irrelevant Scripture to try and prove your point?

And how would you know what I believe or don't believe, since you don't even stay with the actual Word of God? (I do not use the corrupt Jehovah's Witness bible that you use.).

In my Bible, 2 Thessalonians 1 is simply about Apostle Paul admonishing the brethren there about being patience waiting for Christ's coming to end this world and the operations of the wicked.

So that has nothing to do with any 'supposed' Bible proof you may think you have to show that Jesus is not God come in the flesh.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Like to just throw up irrelevant Scripture to try and prove your point?

And how would you know what I believe or don't believe, since you don't even stay with the actual Word of God? (I do not use the corrupt Jehovah's Witness bible that you use.).

In my Bible, 2 Thessalonians 1 is simply about Apostle Paul admonishing the brethren there about being patience waiting for Christ's coming to end this world and the operations of the wicked.

So that has nothing to do with any 'supposed' Bible proof you may think you have to show that Jesus is not God come in the flesh.

It is very relevant Davy, those who do not know God, get destroyed, that was my point which you overlooked. Best worship and serve the God of Jesus as he instructed. It is that knowing them that puts us on the road to everlasting life sir Jn 17:3

 

[robert derrick]

I stated very clearly what I teach sir.

Yes you did. You just have no clue exactly what you are teaching, which is why you ignore the exposure of it.

I believe every faith has some things in common.

Your and my faith in Jesus Christ has nothing in common.