Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

[ChristisGod]

Thayers lexicon

the word χάρις contains the idea of kindness which bestows upon one what he has not deserved: Romans 11:6; hence, κατά χάριν and κατά ὀφείλημα are contrasted in Romans 4:4, 16; χάριτι and ἐξ ἔργων in Romans 11:6; κατ' ἀκλογην χάριτος, Romans 11:5; but the N. T. writers use χάρις pre-eminently of that kindness by which God bestow: favors even upon the ill-deserving, and grants to sinners the pardon of their offences, and bids them accept of eternal salvation through Christ: Romans 3:24; Romans 5:17, 20f; (); 1 Corinthians 15:10; Galatians 1:15; Galatians 2:21; Ephesians 1:6,(); f; Philippians 1:7; Colossians 1:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:16; 1 Timothy 1:14; 2 Timothy 1:9; Hebrews 2:9 (here Treg.marginal reading χωρίς); Hebrews 10:29; Hebrews 12:15; Hebrews 13:9; 1 Peter 1:10; Jude 1:4; εὑρίσκειν χάριν, Hebrews 4:16; ἡ χάρις τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡ σωτήριος, Titus 2:11; ὁ λόγος τῆς χάριτος, the message of his grace, Acts 14:3; Acts 20:32; τόεὐαγγέλιον τῆς χάριτος τοῦ Θεοῦ, Acts 20:24; it is styled 'the grace of Christ,' in that through pity for sinful men Christ left his state of blessedness with God in heaven, and voluntarily underwent the hardships and miseries of human life, and by his sufferings and death procured salvation for mankind: (Acts 15:11); 2 Corinthians 8:9; Romans 5:15; Galatians 1:6; (Titus 3:7); John 1:14, 17. χάρις is used of "the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues": 2 Corinthians 4:15; 2 Corinthians 6:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:12; οἱπεπιστευκότες διά τῆς χάριτος, Acts 18:27; ὑπό χάριν εἶναι,' to be subject to the power of grace, opposed to ὑπόνόμον εἶναι, Romans 6:14f; τῆς χάριτοςἐξεπέσατε, Galatians 5:4; προσμένειν τῇχαρη, Acts 13:43 (G L T Tr WH); ἐπιμένειν, ibid. Rec.; ἐν τῇ χάριτι (R GWH text omit the article), prompted by grace, Colossians 3:16; the grace of God promoting the progress and blessings of the Christian religion, Acts 11:23; (prompting its possessors to benefactions, 2 Corinthians 9:14); sustaining and aiding the efforts of the men who labor for the cause of Christ, 1 Corinthians 15:10; 2 Corinthians 1:12; the favor of Christ, assisting and strengthening his followers and ministers to bear their troubles, 2 Corinthians 12:9.

 

[Keturah]

I ain't buying what your selling!

 

[Anima]

Performing the mystical (prodigy) after you are born again, is not the Gospel.

The Gospel, is that teaching that leads the person to faith in Christ., as Salvation is found on the Cross.

The Gospel is believed so that Christ's Blood and Death can deal with the believer's SIN

That is not JOHN 14:2.

Your person's Gospel, has noting to do with Salvation, Redemption, Sin, or The Cross.

No Cross = No Gospel. The Gospel is "the preaching of The Cross".

your deceiver is teaching mysticism, AS the Gospel......and that is a False "Gospel"., as i told you.

Galatians 1:8

The OP is Jesus specifically speaking about Grace in its nature and in its affects. A small section you quoted from the OP, was Jesus referring to Jn. 14:12, one of the verses from one of the gospel books of the NT. Jesus referring to His own words in Jn. 14:12 and explaining how Grace was involved is not a false teaching.

Also, The Saints on this forum, Anima, are unique, and that is because most of the regulars here are "on guard" for "heresy", as they have heard over and over and over.... how to spot it. And they know that heretics dont give the CROSS any CREDIT.. or they ignore it altogether.
So, as the Grace of God, is The Cross of Christ.....Apparently....Your teacher,.....kinda forgot, or never knew it to begin with...
And Certainly, Jesus, Himself.... would never talk about "Grace" and not talk about The Cross.
Your "jesus" in your teacher, whomever that is.... Omits the very Grace of God, Himself, as dying on the Cross= as the Grace of God.

Actually, if you read Maria Valtorta's writings, you'd see Jesus talks a lot about His sacrifice on the cross too.

You teacher rambles on about "My law", and Jesus gave no Law.
Moses gave Law.
Jesus gave some new commandments, but no "law".
Your jesus, is not aware of the Real Jesus, apparently...or, ignores Him on purpose.
"Jesus has redeemed us from the curse of the Law"....in fact.
"Christ is the end of the LAW for Righteousness".....in fact.

If by "Law" you mean the commandments, God gave them to Moses. Jesus is God incarnate and He didn't give new commandments, rather said He didn't come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (Matt. 5:1).

 

[keithr]

Without grace, you would simply be animal creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason, with a soul, but a soul on an earthly level, capable of acting in the curcumstances of life on earth, but unable to rise up to the regions where the life of the spirit transpires. Little more than beasts, then, that act by instinct alone and, in reality, surpass you quite often in their way of acting.

This demonstrates that these "dictations from Jesus Christ" were in fact deceptions from demons, for Jesus would not mislead people to believe in evolution. Evolution has been proven beyond doubt to be a false theory. Jesus would teach the Bible truth, that God created man in one day; man did not evolve at all, let alone did his reasoning powers, his intelligence, evolve by chance. The theory of evolution denies the creation by God.

Ecclesiastes 12:1

(1) Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, ...​

 

[Behold]

The OP is Jesus specifically speaking about Grace in its nature and in its affects.

Stop lying, Anima.

The "op" is teaching the GOSPEL OF GRACE.............didnt you read it yet?

And the Gospel of Grace is the CROSS of Christ.....that deals with Sin.

That is NOT the "OP's" : gospel.

 

[Anima]

This demonstrates that these "dictations from Jesus Christ" were in fact deceptions from demons, for Jesus would not mislead people to believe in evolution. Evolution has been proven beyond doubt to be a false theory. Jesus would teach the Bible truth, that God created man in one day; man did not evolve at all, let alone did his reasoning powers, his intelligence, evolve by chance. The theory of evolution denies the creation by God.

Ecclesiastes 12:1

(1) Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, ...​

He wasn't using the word "evolution" as in we evolved from animals. In fact, in Maria Valtorta's writings He elaborates on why that theory is false. :]

 

[Anima]

Stop lying, Anima.

The "op" is teaching the GOSPEL OF GRACE.............didnt you read it yet?

In the beginning of the OP quote, Jesus said, "...I want to explain it [Grace] to you in My own way in its nature and in its effects."

So, no, I wasn't lying when I said the OP is Jesus specifically speaking about Grace in its nature and in its affects.

 

[Behold]

In the beginning of the OP quote, Jesus said, "...I want to explain it [Grace]

The real Jesus already explained the GOSPEL it to Paul, who explained it in the New Testament.

It hasn't changed.

So, your jesus is a liar., a con, a false pretender, and a tool of the devil.

You should get away from it.

 

[Anima]

The real Jesus already explained the GOSPEL it to Paul, who explained it in the New Testament.

It hasn't changed.

So, your jesus is a liar., a con, a false pretender, and a tool of the devil.

You should get away from it.

Of course what is in Scripture hasn't changed. The OP is Jesus elaborating on Grace, explaining it in its nature and in its effects. Not everything there is to say on every subject is in the Bible, or any other one book, which isn't a bad thing, just a fact.

 

[Behold]

Of course what is in Scripture hasn't changed. The OP is Jesus elaborating on Grace, explaining it in its nature and in its effects. Not everything there is to say on a subject is in the Bible, or any other one book, which isn't a bad thing, just a fact.

Your false "christ" is teaching "mystical occultism" as "the Gospel".

This is Anathma

Its a "doctrine of devils".... Hebrews 13:9

It sounds like the theology of Madame Blavatsky or even Alister Crowley .

Get away from it. And stay away. Far, Far, away.

 

[Anima]

Your false "christ" is teaching "mystical occultism" as "the Gospel".

This is Anathma

Its a "doctrine of devils".... Hebrews 13:9

It sounds like the theology of Madame Blavatsky or even Alister Crowley .

Get away from it. And stay away. Far, Far, away.

Jesus explaining Grace in its nature and its effects is of the devil you say? Saying that is like when Jesus was accused of being of the devil because He healed people.

 

[ChristisGod]

In the beginning of the OP quote, Jesus said, "...I want to explain it [Grace] to you in My own way in its nature and in its effects."

So, no, I wasn't lying when I said the OP is Jesus specifically speaking about Grace in its nature and in its affects.

We know Jesus never said anything to that person in the above quote since it contradicts what He said in the gospels and directly to His Apostles who wrote the rest of the NT.

 

[keithr]

He wasn't using the word "evolution" as in we evolved from animals. In fact, in Maria Valtorta's writings He elaborates on why that theory is false. :]

It says that people are "creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason". That is incorrect - mankind has not gained its reasoning powers due to evolution. God created man with the ability to reason. Adam and Eve were created as perfect humans.

Genesis 1 (WEB):

(27) God created man in his own image. In God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.​

(31) God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. ...​

 

[Anima]

It says that people are "creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason". That is incorrect - mankind has not gained its reasoning powers due to evolution. God created man with the ability to reason. Adam and Eve were created as perfect humans.

Of course God is the one who gave man reason. Jesus isn't saying evolution itself gave man reason. This is the section you're referring to in full:

"Grace is to possess the light, power, and wisdom of God in yourselves—that is, to possess intellectual likeness to God, the unmistakable sign of your filiation in God.

Without grace, you would simply be animal creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason, with a soul, but a soul on an earthly level, capable of acting in the curcumstances of life on earth, but unable to rise up to the regions where the life of the spirit transpires. Little more than beasts, then, that act by instinct alone and, in reality, surpass you quite often in their way of acting."

 

[Anima]

We know Jesus never said anything to that person in the above quote since it contradicts what He said in the gospels and directly to His Apostles who wrote the rest of the NT.

Now explain why you think that.

 

[ChristisGod]

Now explain why you think that.

First of all name the 7 gifts and we will go from there

 

[keithr]

Of course God is the one who gave man reason. Jesus isn't saying evolution itself gave man reason. This is the section you're referring to in full:

"Grace is to possess the light, power, and wisdom of God in yourselves—that is, to possess intellectual likeness to God, the unmistakable sign of your filiation in God.

Without grace, you would simply be animal creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason, with a soul, but a soul on an earthly level, capable of acting in the curcumstances of life on earth, but unable to rise up to the regions where the life of the spirit transpires. Little more than beasts, then, that act by instinct alone and, in reality, surpass you quite often in their way of acting."

It's still there! It says we are "animal creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason". That is regardless of whether we have grace or are "without grace". To reach a point in evolution we would have to be evolving. Evolution doesn't happen - it's genetically impossible.

 

[Anima]

First of all name the 7 gifts and we will go from there

In the OP, Jesus speaks of the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit which are wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord (Is.11:1-2). How does that contradict what He said in the gospels and directly to His Apostles as you claim?

 

[Anima]

It's still there! It says we are "animal creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason". That is regardless of whether we have grace or are "without grace". To reach a point in evolution we would have to be evolving. Evolution doesn't happen - it's genetically impossible.

He's not using the word in the way you want Him to so as to find a problem. As proof you're reading it wrong, in other parts of Maria's writings, He criticizes the theory we evolved from animals. :]

 

[ChristisGod]

In the OP, Jesus speaks of the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit which are wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord (Is.11:1-2). How does that contradict what He said in the gospels and directly to His Apostles as you claim?

No those are not the gifts of the Holy Spirit to the church . Those were what was upon the Messiah as prophecied.

Isaiah 11
A shoot will come up from the stumpof Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of might,
the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the Lord—
3 and he will delight in the fear of the Lord.
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;
4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,
with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;
with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
5 Righteousness will be his belt
and faithfulness the sash around his waist.