Jewish groups in an uproar over Vatican reconsideration.

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digg reddit stumble VATICAN CITY — Some Jewish groups voiced concern Friday that the Vatican might be calling into question more than 40 years of progress in Catholic-Jewish relations by reaching out to a group of breakaway traditionalist Catholics that includes a Holocaust-denying bishop.

The Vatican has been working for years to bring the breakaway Society of St. Pius X back into its fold, and this week told its members they must accept some core church teachings if they want to be fully reintegrated into the church. But the Holy See said some expressions contained in documents from the Second Vatican Council could be left open for "legitimate discussion."

The 1962-65 Vatican II meetings brought modernizing reforms to the Catholic Church, including outreach to Jews and introduction of the Mass in the vernacular rather than Latin. The Swiss-based Society of St. Pius X was formed in 1969, opposed to many of Vatican II's reforms.

The Vatican refused to say which core teachings the society must accept to be reintegrated, and which elements of Vatican II documents could be left open for discussion.

A key Vatican II document, Nostra Aetate, revolutionized the Catholic Church's relations with Jews by declaring that Christ's death couldn't be attributed to Jews as a whole. Other Vatican II teachings to which the society objects concern religious freedom and ecumenical relations.

The uncertainty over what is being required of the society provoked unease among some Jewish groups, which issued veiled warnings Friday about the possible impact on Vatican-Jewish relations were Nostra Aetate and other Vatican II teachings to be now considered ripe for discussion.

Abraham Foxman, the Anti-Defamation League's U.S. director, said he was confident that Pope Benedict XVI would require the society to accept the church's "positive teachings" about Jews before being fully reconciled with the church.

"It would be unthinkable for the Vatican to allow a Catholic breakaway sect that includes a Holocaust-denying bishop, Richard Williamson, to be reintegrated into the church while still being allowed to promote anti-Semitism and anti-Judaism," he said in a statement.

Elan Steinberg of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, said there would be "catastrophic effects" on Catholic-Jewish relations if the Vatican didn't require the society to accept the document.


"We mustn't allow the moral imperative of Catholic-Jewish amity to fall victim to a policy of appeasement or blithe expediency," he said in a statement.

Even Rabbi David Rosen, who heads the American Jewish Committee's interreligious affairs office and is a veteran of Catholic-Jewish dialogue, said he was worried about the Vatican's gesture and awaited further clarification.

"If 'Nostra Aetate' and 'Lumen Gentium' (another Vatican II document) are not considered fundamental doctrines of the Church, and it is possible to question them without challenging the authority of the church, then we (and not just Jewish-Catholic relations) are in for a very rough ride ahead," he said in an email.

The society's superior, Bishop Bernard Fellay, has said he would study the two-page document of core church teachings handed over to him by the Vatican and respond.

The German-born Benedict has worked for two decades, as pope and as cardinal, to bring the group back into the Vatican's fold, eager to prevent further schism and the expansion of a parallel church.

Benedict, who has won praise from Jews for his decades of outreach, nevertheless provoked outrage in 2009 when he lifted the excommunication of Williamson, who denied gas chambers were used during the Holocaust. Williamson, Fellay and three other bishops were excommunicated in 1988 after the society's founder consecrated them without papal consent.

The society has six seminaries, three universities and 70 primary and secondary schools around the globe. Aside from the four bishops, it boasts more than 550 priests and 200 seminarians.
 

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HA!

Since when do you care about the Catholic Church? Guess you hate Jews so much you will even drag in the Catholics.....pathetic.
 

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digg reddit stumble VATICAN CITY — Some Jewish groups voiced concern Friday that the Vatican might be calling into question more than 40 years of progress in Catholic-Jewish relations by reaching out to a group of breakaway traditionalist Catholics that includes a Holocaust-denying bishop.


As well they should be "concerned".
 

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HA!

Since when do you care about the Catholic Church? Guess you hate Jews so much you will even drag in the Catholics.....pathetic.

My single aim is to expose the enemy of all mankind . I have no other goal,this has been my aim from the very beginning.

This is my ministry: to get Christianity out of Judaism ,and to get Judaism out of Christianity.

Everything I say or do,I do with all the assurance and all the confidence of a sleepwalker..I can do nothing else.
 

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My single aim is to expose the enemy of all mankind . I have no other goal,this has been my aim from the very beginning.

This is my ministry: to get Christianity out of Judaism ,and to get Judaism out of Christianity.

Everything I say or do,I do with all the assurance and all the confidence of a sleepwalker..I can do nothing else.

Well, I pray that you fail in your mission in every way possible.
 

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Well, I pray that you fail in your mission in every way possible.


Shhhh...He's "sleepwalking".
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My single aim is to expose the enemy of all mankind . I have no other goal,this has been my aim from the very beginning.

This is my ministry: to get Christianity out of Judaism ,and to get Judaism out of Christianity.

Everything I say or do,I do with all the assurance and all the confidence of a sleepwalker..I can do nothing else.

If only we understood that Christ is completely set apart from this world, and our battle is not between one force of this world against another, but by the power Christ which is in the Spirit against all the powers of this earth that are under the devil.

We are to shine the light to all, not judging those outside the body, but giving our lives to make peace between them and God. Everything we do is to be according to the leading of the Spirit, if indeed we would call ourselves Christian.
 

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All you're doing is giving your opinion . An opinion that doesn't hold up. If what you're saying is true ,then Christ would not have had to die.
 

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My single aim is to expose the enemy of all mankind . I have no other goal,this has been my aim from the very beginning.

This is my ministry: to get Christianity out of Judaism ,and to get Judaism out of Christianity.

Everything I say or do,I do with all the assurance and all the confidence of a sleepwalker..I can do nothing else.
Hi falconduler i hope you are not implying that Christianity is not 'Judaism Christianity' as i have heard of some people that call themselves Christians with out any regard to the roots and are hostile to it.

The average Christian has very poor understanding as to the whole Jewishness thing and i like to refer to Christianity as 'Israel Christianity' as it is the inheritance of Israel and that means we true Christians are Israel but we don't boast about it, as anyone who runs around saying he is a Israel, would be to me as being just foolish boasting as that is not for us to say but others could say that of someone other than them self's.

I think you maybe referring to your hatred or disgust to the people who dragged the tribe of Israel down ? and to they who still push that evil to day.
We have people today that push that evil running around calling themselves Christians just as they did back in the days of the OT. as it's the same old Devil at work.
 

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All you're doing is giving your opinion . An opinion that doesn't hold up. If what you're saying is true ,then Christ would not have had to die.

Christ died so that we could be like him. The power of the ressurection is what we are given access to if we die with him. Thus, we can be like him.
 

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has been to target Jews, Israel, Judaism, etc. etc. etc. for condemnation.

I wonder why he never wants to talk about Christ and Christianity.....other than in the context criticizing all things Jewish