JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
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Gary Mac
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As for me -- I dont follow Paul, I follow Jesus in what he says of himself, his God, and who I should be in the same God he was of.
Gary Mac
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To follow Jesus you must follow Paul.......................[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.
Gary Mac
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I must follow Paul instead of God who gives His information within man? Sorry but that isnt going to happen. You act as if Paul is God and God Himself is not capable of delivering His will in man.
Tell us plainley, what Hods Paul considered that God Himself has not considered? Y9our god is Paul instead of the One Jesus leads people to that they may be in Him and He be in them as one as The Father was in Jesus and Jesus was in the Father as one as Jesus prayed to his God for you to be in John 17.
What has Paul got over God Himself that God is not able but Paul is? You dont know why God even sent Jesus do you?
Yes and he used that trickery on all of those that he duped into following him instead of Jesus to the Father. He caught you by witchcraft to stir you away from the ways of Jesus that you might follow him in his doctrine to his God instead of being as Jesus was in the Farther yourself.
Paul was pretty smart and worked his trickery on you that is for sure to lead you to follow him instead of Jesus to the Father yourself. Read what he said about that. 2 Cor 12:6 Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you. Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!
David Lamb
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But what do we find in the bible concerning Paul? Certainly not that he encouraged people by trickery to follow him instead of Jesus Christ. He himself wrote:
“1 ¶ And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching [were] not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.” (1Co 2:1-5 NKJV)
What exactly do you mean?
how to be saved unto eternal life
what salvation delivers us from
salvation from error
salvation from sin
salvation for Israel
Gary Mac
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We find his own ideas for a god and Jesus. Here is what he said about that himself. 2 Cor 12:6 Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you. Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!
Again -- 2 Cor 12:6 Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you. Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!
Jim Jones, David Koresh, Warren Jeff, and many many other preachers today who stand in a pulpit, all said basically the same thing. That does not mean they were as Jesus was in the Father that we must have the very same from God as he received from God in Matt 3:16.
It isnt hard to compare what man says about Jesus from what Jesus said of himself and his God that he obeyed and said sent him and we would have the very same God in us who was in him.
That is exactly why I follow who Jesus said he was in God and we would be IF, instead of what others had to say about him from their own perspectives. It is just better for me to follow who Jesus said he was in God then it is someones else's perspectives which can be wrong,. And as I stated, for me Jesus cant be wrong and had it right, everyone else is second hand information based on their own laws for a belief about it.
If Paul takes presence over Jesus, then so be it, it just isent for me. Not to say that Paul didnt have a few things right, he did, but he also had many things wrong, formed his own laws for about women's hair, mans hair, what to wear, what we should and should not eat. Jesus didnt have a thorn in his flesh which Paul actually stated was his desire to be exalted beyond measure for his abundance of revelation. Otherwise have his name on the marque just as most preachers do. Jesus was just the opposite, Jesus would do a certain thing then tell them go and tell no one, and escape though the crowd undetected.
All that I see from Jesus is -- be as I am in the Father -- and that worked for me. It may not work for most and obviously it doesnt but reading and listening to their own beliefs, doctrines about him, but for me Jesus was the way in the Father for me to be. And by identification with Him in his God who sent him to show me what it is to have the same in me, Jesus had it right. No matter what Paul said, or Peter or any other man.
If you took everything out of the book except who Jesus said he was in God and quoted of Jesus that we would have the same IF, You would have a completely different gospel from those of man. Most skip over what Jesus said of himself and his God that he could do nothing at all without Him.
Very few even consider what Jesus says of himself and his God. 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. They have made him a god instead, formed their own doctrines built from one of flesh that they can control through their own beliefs for a god. That just does not work for me nor did it work for Jesus.
Jesus was quite capable of telling me who he was in God and who I should be the same, perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect just as he commanded of me in Matt 5:48. Anything outside that same perfection is mans own ideas about it.
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Gary Mac
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I mean describe salvation as you see it!
Tell us how.
Tell us.
What errors?
What does that mean?
Explain?
To be saved unto eternal life you have to believe the gospel that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification.
salvation delivers us from the wrath of God.
salvation delivers us from sin
doctrine saves us from the error of false teachers
the nation of Israel will be saved when Christ returns and their sins will be blotted out and they will reign with Christ in the kingdom
Ronald Nolette
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Now you are trying to practice mind reading> Accusing churches of only speculating. How do you know enough to judge them?
If you are not part of a local assembly and sittiing under teh gift ministry of a pastor teacher you are in sin and will not mature in the faith.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
As long as you withdraw fron physical and regular fellowship with a body of believers you cannot verify your theories (and many of them are wrong) and you will not be used of by God for you will not mature as is written in gods word.
Ronald Nolette
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So whe he said we were sheep he didn't mean we were sheep. WOW!
He did and I cirted it. Is Paul the only part of the NT you obey?
Prove it.
And you reject the command of jesus to the Apostles!
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Have the last word if you wish. you need great spiritual help. When god crushes your spiritual pride, we will be here to pick you up.
amigo de christo
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Every word of the LORD is meat to the soul of the sheep .
His sheep . the beleiving jew and gentile . The two folds are made one fold .
This people pits Paul against Christ and against peter and james
and james against paul , peter against paul . But this sheep knows THEY WAS ALL OF GOD . And all them apostels
followed CHRIST JESUS . to include and not exclude paul himself .
amigo de christo
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Sheep dont dine at the table of that was for this age or that age this group or that group .
THEY dine on the lovely words of TRUTH . And what JESUS said and later all them apostels did write
IS MEAT for their soul .
THEY dont follow pauline
they dont follow the so called pope peter
they dont follow men that twisted and do twist .
Sheep follow CHRIST and upon the words of the Truth in that lovely bible shall they feast .
THEY dine on the lovely words of TRUTH . And what JESUS said and later all them apostels did write
IS MEAT for their soul .
THEY dont follow pauline
they dont follow the so called pope peter
they dont follow men that twisted and do twist .
Sheep follow CHRIST and upon the words of the Truth in that lovely bible shall they feast .
amigo de christo
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You need to ask the question again .
You said to him , IS paul the only part of the NT you obey .
IF that is the case then they dont even follow paul . They follow his dark and wicked sister pauline
whom paul would have rebuked RIGHT OUTTA the church . FOR HER DOCTRINE IS TWISTED .
Many follow men , NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST , NOT the apostels doctrine either . THEY FOLLOW MEN that TWISTED .
AND the SOONER that many folks realize this ON BOTH SIDES the far better off they gonna be .
NOW ITS BIBLE TIME , as in RIGHT NOW in the house . Hope that encourages you .
Paul was citing Psalm 44 which is about Israel and said we werent cast off like Israel
[Psa 44:11, 13, 22-23 KJV] 11 Thou hast given us like sheep [appointed] for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen. ... 13 Thou makest us a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and a derision to them that are round about us. ... 22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter. 23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast [us] not off for ever.
Hebrews was written to Hebrews..........[Heb 1:1 KJV] 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Israel's fathers were the prophets
1 Peter was written to scattered believing Israel...........[1Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
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