John 6 Was Jesus speaking literally

[amigo de christo]

your like a broken record.

Either delete this OP.. or you just proved me correct. and you did what I said you did

never follow , heed , or even beleive the RCC . it is of her and from her that this all inclusive anti christ lie
has now taken many captive . We dont heed a Harlot . But do beware for many
and i do mean many , protestants now do her work . And that aint a joke either . MANY are now under
the influence of a lie that they call love . It was the child of the HARLOT and the dragon and its child IS ANTI CHRIST .
just a figure of speech , but that is who it is truly from my friend .
Its father is the dragon , its mother is the harlot . We better have no part or lott in that interfaith movement .
We cannot sit at the table of Christ and of Anti Christ . we cannot . we must rather expose it all and preach ONLY JESUS
and all biblical sound doctrine .

 

[nedsk]

never follow , heed , or even beleive the RCC . it is of her and from her that this all inclusive anti christ lie
has now taken many captive . We dont heed a Harlot . But do beware for many
and i do mean many , protestants now do her work . And that aint a joke either . MANY are now under
the influence of a lie that they call love . It was the child of the HARLOT and the dragon and its child IS ANTI CHRIST .
just a figure of speech , but that is who it is truly from my friend .
Its father is the dragon , its mother is the harlot . We better have no part or lott in that interfaith movement .
We cannot sit at the table of Christ and of Anti Christ . we cannot . we must rather expose it all and preach ONLY JESUS
and all biblical sound doctrine .

I'm still waiting for you to show that your understanding of Scripture is the authoritative one. You telling yourself it is doesn't count as proof.

 

[nedsk]

never follow , heed , or even beleive the RCC . it is of her and from her that this all inclusive anti christ lie
has now taken many captive . We dont heed a Harlot . But do beware for many
and i do mean many , protestants now do her work . And that aint a joke either . MANY are now under
the influence of a lie that they call love . It was the child of the HARLOT and the dragon and its child IS ANTI CHRIST .
just a figure of speech , but that is who it is truly from my friend .
Its father is the dragon , its mother is the harlot . We better have no part or lott in that interfaith movement .
We cannot sit at the table of Christ and of Anti Christ . we cannot . we must rather expose it all and preach ONLY JESUS
and all biblical sound doctrine .

Yes it is sad that you actually believe people should listen to you without first discerning whether or not you speak authoritatively about the matters you talk about.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm still waiting for you to show that your understanding of Scripture is the authoritative one. You telling yourself it is doesn't count as proof.

I expose harlots and that do include the many harlots in the protestant realm as well .
Hold not thy breath waiting for me to come and sit and that huge big ol table of anti christ interfaith co exist
I will expose it and all who are part of it . OF which many in the protestant realm now are as well .
I dont make deals with darkness .
I do not find common ground with darkness .
I expose it . You better go and learn what that means quickly .
I aint here to hug folks to the lake of f ire . Sins will be exposed on my watch
AS WILL THIS MASSIVE LIE of anti christ that many now call love and see as loving . that lie will not deliver them
on the day of the LORD . Satan knows that and desires the death of all . BUT we darn sure dont wanna follow him .
his big ol cuymbia lovey do road it ends IN PERDITION . not peace n safety AS HE has promised
this people . BUT N PERDITION .
I dont join hands WITH Those who DENY JESUS CHRIST
and many who now even lip HIS NAME , DO DENY HIM . a big ol co exist broad path
of intefaith ecumincalism that HAS TOTALLY LIED to the false religoins as well as to christendom.
I do not sit at the table of CHRIST and anti christ and try and blend the two . CAUSE
YOU CANT BLEND THEM .

 

[Marvelloustime]

I expose harlots and that do include the many harlots in the protestant realm as well .
Hold not thy breath waiting for me to come and sit and that huge big ol table of anti christ interfaith co exist
I will expose it and all who are part of it . OF which many in the protestant realm now are as well .
I dont make deals with darkness .
I do not find common ground with darkness .
I expose it . You better go and learn what that means quickly .
I aint here to hug folks to the lake of f ire . Sins will be exposed on my watch
AS WILL THIS MASSIVE LIE of anti christ that many now call love and see as loving . that lie will not deliver them
on the day of the LORD . Satan knows that and desires the death of all . BUT we darn sure dont wanna follow him .
his big ol cuymbia lovey do road it ends IN PERDITION . not peace n safety AS HE has promised
this people . BUT N PERDITION .
I dont join hands WITH Those who DENY JESUS CHRIST
and many who now even lip HIS NAME , DO DENY HIM . a big ol co exist broad path
of intefaith ecumincalism that HAS TOTALLY LIED to the false religoins as well as to christendom.
I do not sit at the table of CHRIST and anti christ and try and blend the two . CAUSE
YOU CANT BLEND THEM .

@amigo de christo

 

[Eternally Grateful]

never follow , heed , or even beleive the RCC . it is of her and from her that this all inclusive anti christ lie
has now taken many captive . We dont heed a Harlot . But do beware for many
and i do mean many , protestants now do her work . And that aint a joke either . MANY are now under
the influence of a lie that they call love . It was the child of the HARLOT and the dragon and its child IS ANTI CHRIST .
just a figure of speech , but that is who it is truly from my friend .
Its father is the dragon , its mother is the harlot . We better have no part or lott in that interfaith movement .
We cannot sit at the table of Christ and of Anti Christ . we cannot . we must rather expose it all and preach ONLY JESUS
and all biblical sound doctrine .

this dude makes false accusations and then when anyone tries to discuss anything with them, He mocks them of not having authority.

Like I said, time to let this thread die. Stop feeding the troll as they say

 

[Marvelloustime]

never follow , heed , or even beleive the RCC . it is of her and from her that this all inclusive anti christ lie
has now taken many captive . We dont heed a Harlot . But do beware for many
and i do mean many , protestants now do her work . And that aint a joke either . MANY are now under
the influence of a lie that they call love . It was the child of the HARLOT and the dragon and its child IS ANTI CHRIST .
just a figure of speech , but that is who it is truly from my friend .
Its father is the dragon , its mother is the harlot . We better have no part or lott in that interfaith movement .
We cannot sit at the table of Christ and of Anti Christ . we cannot . we must rather expose it all and preach ONLY JESUS
and all biblical sound doctrine .

@amigo de christo

 

[Hillsage]

No I didn't. You think I did and I've told you already you're entitled to your opinion. Now whether you like it or not for 1500 years the Christian church taught Jesus was speaking literally.

My opinion is; 'The church' began 2,000 years ago, on the day of Pentecost. The Roman church began to influence the Church of the entire world before the apostles even died. That's what the apostle John was speaking prophetically about in his 1st letter.

1JO 2:18 Little children (babes in Christ), it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

'Anti christs' are those who are not 'truly' CHRISTIAN, but are religiously claiming to be 'true' CHRISTIANS. IOW MIGHT be born again, but are not being spirit led, by the spirit of CHRIST from which we get the word CHRIST-IAN from.

2:19 They went out from US, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The 'true church', starting in Israel, was holy spirit led by 'the spirit of Christ'. The only holy spirit which was 'born again' in them. And the leadership of that true church was 5 fold, beginning with spirit led "APOSTLES, PROPHETS, EVANGELISTS, PASTORS, TEACHERS." The church of Roman Catholicism undermined ("went out from US") that true church after leaving it. and the church of Antioch discipled by Paul was the first church to break that false leadership influence of the CAESARS or pagan 'GOD MEN' leaders of the Roman empire. But, like the whole world back then, ROME bowed all knees to their pagan influenced world government, AND their ROME influenced church government. They did it NOT, with the spirit of Christ in them, but with the blade of Roman soldiers who martyred true Christians for their "false doctrines" according to THEM and their tradition beliefs.

That teaching was by the church fathers some who were disciples of John. I have to make a choice whether to listen to them or to you. You're a disciple of Luther not John the apostle. If I have to explain to you why I chose to listen to John and the church fathers over you and Luther then there is not helping you. Im happy to consider your words if you can show they are superior to the teachings of John and the church fathers. Telling me I'm attacking you won't cut it

I am not listening to the 'John of the Roman Catholic church'. I am listening to the John of the true CHRISTIAN (CHRIST LED) church. Claiming your popes go back to Peter would have been big news to PETER, who had been dead for a couple of hundred years. YOUR BELIEF IS BASED UPON RC TRADITION and not BIBLE.

COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the TRADITIONS of men, after the rudiments of the world (govt of ROME), and not after Christ.

 

[nedsk]

My opinion is; 'The church' began 2,000 years ago, on the day of Pentecost. The Roman church began to influence the Church of the entire world before the apostles even died. That's what the apostle John was speaking prophetically about in his 1st letter.

1JO 2:18 Little children (babes in Christ), it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

'Anti christs' are those who are not 'truly' CHRISTIAN, but are religiously claiming to be 'true' CHRISTIANS. IOW MIGHT be born again, but are not being spirit led, by the spirit of CHRIST from which we get the word CHRIST-IAN from.

2:19 They went out from US, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The 'true church', starting in Israel, was holy spirit led by 'the spirit of Christ'. The only holy spirit which was 'born again' in them. And the leadership of that true church was 5 fold, beginning with spirit led "APOSTLES, PROPHETS, EVANGELISTS, PASTORS, TEACHERS." The church of Roman Catholicism undermined ("went out from US") that true church after leaving it. and the church of Antioch discipled by Paul was the first church to break that false leadership influence of the CAESARS or pagan 'GOD MEN' leaders of the Roman empire. But, like the whole world back then, ROME bowed all knees to their pagan influenced world government, AND their ROME influenced church government. They did it NOT, with the spirit of Christ in them, but with the blade of Roman soldiers who martyred true Christians for their "false doctrines" according THEM.

I am not listening to the 'John of the Roman Catholic church'. I am listening to the John of the true CHRISTIAN (CHRIST LED) church. Claiming your popes go back to Peter would have been big news to PETER, who had been dead for a couple of hundred years. YOUR BELIEF IS BASED UPON RC TRADITION and not BIBLE.

COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the TRADITIONS of men, after the rudiments of the world (govt of ROME), and not after Christ.

So you're saying that for 1500 years the holy Spirit abandoned the church that Jesus built upon Peter? The same church that Jesus said the netherworld will not prevail against it? Oh right and you'll say Jesus didn't build a church on the rock of Peter he meant something else right? I've noticed you folks always have to explain what Jesus meant as if his words didn't tell us what he meant. Fascinating stuff

 

[dak]

Again you need to show evidence that your understanding is the authoritative understanding. Just tell me what you think isn't evidence of that. You get that right?

I quoted from the Torah, and there are no debates, discrepancies, or contentions between scholars regarding the text which I quoted as far as I know. You either take it as authoritative and believe it or you do not. Choose Life.

 

[amigo de christo]

My opinion is; 'The church' began 2,000 years ago, on the day of Pentecost. The Roman church began to influence the Church of the entire world before the apostles even died. That's what the apostle John was speaking prophetically about in his 1st letter.

1JO 2:18 Little children (babes in Christ), it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

'Anti christs' are those who are not 'truly' CHRISTIAN, but are religiously claiming to be 'true' CHRISTIANS. IOW MIGHT be born again, but are not being spirit led, by the spirit of CHRIST from which we get the word CHRIST-IAN from.

2:19 They went out from US, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The 'true church', starting in Israel, was holy spirit led by 'the spirit of Christ'. The only holy spirit which was 'born again' in them. And the leadership of that true church was 5 fold, beginning with spirit led "APOSTLES, PROPHETS, EVANGELISTS, PASTORS, TEACHERS." The church of Roman Catholicism undermined ("went out from US") that true church after leaving it. and the church of Antioch discipled by Paul was the first church to break that false leadership influence of the CAESARS or pagan 'GOD MEN' leaders of the Roman empire. But, like the whole world back then, ROME bowed all knees to their pagan influenced world government, AND their ROME influenced church government. They did it NOT, with the spirit of Christ in them, but with the blade of Roman soldiers who martyred true Christians for their "false doctrines" according to THEM and their tradition beliefs.

I am not listening to the 'John of the Roman Catholic church'. I am listening to the John of the true CHRISTIAN (CHRIST LED) church. Claiming your popes go back to Peter would have been big news to PETER, who had been dead for a couple of hundred years. YOUR BELIEF IS BASED UPON RC TRADITION and not BIBLE.

COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the TRADITIONS of men, after the rudiments of the world (govt of ROME), and not after Christ.

Already it was being seen and rising up
John indentifed a man who loved to have the pre emeince , i call it the first pope , pope diotrophese .
From this would come forth a harlot . a harlot of great power and influence .
A harlot , that if one even looks this up on wickepeida , IT WONT deny
the seat adds up to Six hundred three score and six . It just says no pope has ever claimed this name .
But it is the seat that giveth them their power . It has grown and grown it has and as of late
has taken even much of the protestant realm , as well as the false religoins right into its bait trap .
Its merger to be as one peoples and one mind and it does preach ANTI CHRIST .
as it has told the false religoins YE all coming to GOD . IT HAS DENIED JESUS THE CHRIST .
the need to repent and beleive on HIM it has denied to the false religons
as well as its been influencing much of christendom to buy this broad path lie .
But no marvel , for as i said its seat even adds up to such a number .
People can examine that for themselves .
Now they can choose to buy the lie that no pope has ever used that name .
HOWEVER it did not deny IT ADDS UP TO SIX HUNDRED THREE SCORE and SIX . the mother harlot
has many daughters and her desire is a one world religoin that she sits over .

 

[Hillsage]

So you're saying that for 1500 years the holy Spirit abandoned the church that Jesus built upon Peter? The same church that Jesus said the netherworld will not prevail against it? Oh right and you'll say Jesus didn't build a church on the rock of Peter he meant something else right? I've noticed you folks always have to explain what Jesus meant as if his words didn't tell us what he meant. Fascinating stuff

 

[Hillsage]

So you're saying that for 1500 years the holy Spirit abandoned the church that Jesus built upon Peter?

No, you're saying that. I did not. I tell every pastor of every indoctrinated church in town the same thing. "The church that Jesus is building, is the spiritual one, that's under the roof of every 'so called' church building, in town."

And 'that church' is those few whose foundation is not based upon a fleshly man named Peter (or Petros in the Greek which is defined as; a (piece of) rock).

The Christ church's foundation is built on hearing with Spiritual ears from the Father who is "the Christ".

MAT 16:15 He (the Christ) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16* And Simon Peter/Petros answered and said, Thou art THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God.

MAT 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18* And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter , and upon this rock/PETRA I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

This last "Peter/Petros" was a piece of a rock.
The foundation "rock" was a PETRA....not PETRUS.
4073 petra: a (mass of) rock (lit. or fig.)

What was revealed to PETER/PETROS, was that which had to be heard from the Father? And what Peter heard was the revelation knowledge that Jesus was THE CHRIST. And it is 'that revelation', that no RC is ever taught.

YOU/I were both taught that the ROCK/PETRA foundation was a man. In 1972 I did hear the Father, at 22 years of age. You are still defending the flesh of Peter as your church foundation.

A church foundation, built on the man Peter, is not CHRIST-iAN.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Already it was being seen and rising up
John indentifed a man who loved to have the pre emeince , i call it the first pope , pope diotrophese .
From this would come forth a harlot . a harlot of great power and influence .
A harlot , that if one even looks this up on wickepeida , IT WONT deny
the seat adds up to Six hundred three score and six . It just says no pope has ever claimed this name .
But it is the seat that giveth them their power . It has grown and grown it has and as of late
has taken even much of the protestant realm , as well as the false religoins right into its bait trap .
Its merger to be as one peoples and one mind and it does preach ANTI CHRIST .
as it has told the false religoins YE all coming to GOD . IT HAS DENIED JESUS THE CHRIST .
the need to repent and beleive on HIM it has denied to the false religons
as well as its been influencing much of christendom to buy this broad path lie .
But no marvel , for as i said its seat even adds up to such a number .
People can examine that for themselves .
Now they can choose to buy the lie that no pope has ever used that name .
HOWEVER it did not deny IT ADDS UP TO SIX HUNDRED THREE SCORE and SIX . the mother harlot
has many daughters and her desire is a one world religoin that she sits over .

@amigo de christo

 

[nedsk]

No, you're saying that. I did not. I tell every pastor of every indoctrinated church in town the same thing. "The church that Jesus is building, is the spiritual one, that's under the roof of every 'so called' church building, in town."

And 'that church' is those few whose foundation is not based upon a fleshly man named Peter (or Petros in the Greek which is defined as; a (piece of) rock).

The Christ church's foundation is built on hearing with Spiritual ears from the Father who is "the Christ".

MAT 16:15 He (the Christ) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16* And Simon Peter/Petros answered and said, Thou art THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God.

MAT 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18* And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter , and upon this rock/PETRA I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

This last "Peter/Petros" was a piece of a rock.
The foundation "rock" was a PETRA....not PETRUS.
4073 petra: a (mass of) rock (lit. or fig.)

What was revealed to PETER/PETROS, was that which had to be heard from the Father? And what Peter heard was the revelation knowledge that Jesus was THE CHRIST. And it is 'that revelation', that no RC is ever taught.

YOU/I were both taught that the ROCK/PETRA foundation was a man. In 1972 I did hear the Father, at 22 years of age. You are still defending the flesh of Peter as your church foundation.

A church foundation, built on the man Peter, is not CHRIST-iAN. View attachment 69595View attachment 69595

Too bad Scripture doesn't agree with you.

You STILL haven't shown that your understanding of Scripture is the authoritative one. You people really don't listen to yourselves do you?! There's always a steady stream of you folks who feel a need to "correct" everyone around them as if the words Jesus spoke werent clear enough. Only one church can even begin to trace it's history back to the apostles and it's definitely not the church of Hillsage


Note: don't waste your time writing 3 replies to my 1. I'll only reply to the last one besides volume of content doesn't prove anything. You people have used the same tactics for as long as I've been dealing with you. It's so predictable

 

[Hillsage]

Too bad Scripture doesn't agree with you.

I'm truly sorry that you do not have eyes to see, and ears to hear. I know from 21 years of ROMAN indoctrination just how you think and see.

You STILL haven't shown that your understanding of Scripture is the authoritative one.

Nor have you. And not just to me, but so many others here.

You people really don't listen to yourselves do you?!

Says 'the kettle sg. to a ALL the POTS pl. here'???

There's always a steady stream of you folks who feel a need to "correct" everyone around them as if the words Jesus spoke werent clear enough.

This is the APOLOGETICS forum that you are on. Do you know what 'that' means?

Only one church can even begin to trace it's history back to the apostles and it's definitely not the church of Hillsage

I'm sorry, but no bible says ; The catholic church or the Roman Catholic church. ALL BIBLES simply say "THE CHURCH"....60 times in the NT. The EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH of Constantinople makes the same claim for APOSTOLIC origin as your WESTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH of Rome did. And they SPLIT "THE CHURCH" in the GREAT SCHISM of 1054. That's a long way from the beginning of 'THE CHURCH' of the apostles". Do your research, or continue being led and blindfolded.

Note: don't waste your time writing 3 replies to my 1. I'll only reply to the last one besides volume of content doesn't prove anything. You people have used the same tactics for as long as I've been dealing with you. It's so predictable

I will leave you, just the way I found you. It's the place where many here 'once were', Sadly your RC testimony is....you still are.

 

[nedsk]

I'm truly sorry that you do not have eyes to see, and ears to hear. I know from 21 years of ROMAN indoctrination just how you think and see.

Nor have you. And not just to me, but so many others here.

Says 'the kettle sg. to a ALL the POTS pl. here'???

This is the APOLOGETICS forum that you are on. Do you know what 'that' means?

I'm sorry, but no bible says ; The catholic church or the Roman Catholic church. ALL BIBLES simply say "THE CHURCH"....60 times in the NT. The EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH of Constantinople makes the same claim for APOSTOLIC origin as your WESTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH of Rome did. And they SPLIT "THE CHURCH" in the GREAT SCHISM of 1054. That's a long way from the beginning of 'THE CHURCH' of the apostles". Do your research, or continue being led and blindfolded.



I will leave you, just the way I found you. It's the place where many here 'once were', Sadly your RC testimony is....you still are.

I have eyes and ears that work very well thank you. I read Scripture and and in doing so i understood Jesus to be speaking literally you and others have told me I'm wrong. You then proceed to throw volumes of passages at me to show that I'm wrong. Fine I'm wrong. You want to correct me. That's wonderful because you're worried about my soul and that's even more beautiful.

The problem that you and the others don't want to face is proving to me why I should listen to you. You tell me I'm wrong but on what authority? Please don't say Scripture because we disagree non what scripture says. So prove to me that you have the authoritative understanding of Scripture.

 

[BlueNightingale]

So on another thread about OSAS a discussion has been raging about John 6. Is Jesus speaking literally when he says "Amen Amen I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you do not have life within you. Whoever feeds upon my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day".

Now this is kind of thought experiment. For this discussion we're going to assume Jesus was not speaking literally. With that in mind the experiment is:

What specific words do you think Jesus would have used if he was speaking literally?

Please don't use the l, Jesus would never say such a thing, argument as that's lazy both intellectually and theologically. Please be specific in your replies. Thank you in advance and I'm looking forward to the responses

John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh."

What was Jesus pulling apart and saying "do this in remembrance of me?"

Bread.

Why bread?

They needed it. Like this was sustenance that they needed. They **needed** it.

Spiritually, the same, you NEED it.

 

[nedsk]

John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh."

What was Jesus pulling apart and saying "do this in remembrance of me?"

Bread.

Why bread?

They needed it. Like this was sustenance that they needed. They **needed** it.

Spiritually, the same, you NEED it.

Then THREE TIMES he repeats, eat my flesh and drink my blood. He also refers to them as REAL food and REAL drink. He doesn't say bread, he doesn't say my word, he doesn't say my spirit. He says eat his flesh and drink his blood. It's rather simple.

 

[BlueNightingale]

Then THREE TIMES he repeats, eat my flesh and drink my blood. He also refers to them as REAL food and REAL drink. He doesn't say bread, he doesn't say my word, he doesn't say my spirit. He says eat his flesh and drink his blood. It's rather simple.

https://www.alimentarium.org/en/fact-sheet/bread-and-christianity

I think you need to go back into history to understand it better. This might help.

You can say "then he repeats", sure, but he already explained it first.

You know how much Jesus used symbolism in the Bible and how much of it was cultural. You have read the Bible before enough to see the patterns here.