John 6 Was Jesus speaking literally
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I did listen to Jesus and THREE TIMES I hear him saying "eat my flesh and drink my blood" for my flesh is REAL food and my blood is REAL drink.
Now you're telling me he didn't mean it literally. Ok show your authority to make that claim. The words I just showed you are in the very book you will claim as your authority to make the statement that Jesus meant something else. You need to do better then try and convince me that John was wrong, Paul was wrong, Ignatius of Antioch is wrong and 1500 years of church teaching is wrong. Just telling me to listen to Jesus is lazy.
The words I quoted are from John the Apostle. You don't "agree". That doesn't impress me and changing y words makes you look sad.
What I love most about you people is your so prideful you can't see your own limitations. You think you speak authoritatively about Scripture with no evidence to support it.
BlueNightingale
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I do agree with John. I do not agree with your interpretation. There's a difference.
You don't believe that humans can be wrong?
When John the Baptist was asked if he was Elijah he said no.
When Jesus was asked if John the Baptist was Elijah, in the spirit and power of, he said he was.
So which do we believe? Jesus.
Are you speaking into a mirror?
This what you have chosen to believe -
1. At every Eucharist you demand Jesus to show up in the bread, demanding a supernatural miracle.
2. At every Eucharist you demand Jesus to turn the wine into his blood, demanding a supernatural miracle.
None of that happened during the last supper with the twelve as found in the Scriptures. Jesus did not offer the twelve his arm in order the twelve to take a bite, the bread remained bread, Jesus did not replaced the wine in the cup with his blood, the wine remained wine. All of this In total opposition with your literal interpretation of John 6. If Jesus meant John 6 literally then the Last Supper would have been in sync with John 6, and it was not. In the meantime John 6:63 has been posted a dozen times, but you prefer your faulty church teaching over Jesus words.
I believe John is accurately stating that Jesus Christ as speaking literally and the entire story proves he was. Now you say otherwise. I say the words are very clear but you have to cite volumes of other passages to try and explain away what Jesus is clearly saying.
I do believe they can be wrong. Do you? John is a human. You're a human and in a human. I believe John is saying something different than you believe he is saying.
I do like the way you people stubbornly refuse to look at yourselves. It's the one characteristic that b st identifies a protestant.
Jesus said so, and you either believe Him or you don't, it's just that simple.
Much love!
BlueNightingale
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What is this b st word supposed to be?
Edit: Nevermind, I think it's supposed to be best.
OK.
1. Idiocy. I don't demand anything.
2. Idiocy 2.0 I don't demand anything
Everything you wrote after that has to be idiocy 3.0.
I do believe Jesus when he says THREE TIMES, eat my flesh and drink his blood then says, for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Its only your opinion that he meant something else. I'm not impressed with your opinion
A better way to say it is pridefulness best characterizes protestants. You speak with a 500 year old heresy but you do it loudly. Good for you
BlueNightingale
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You can't talk about other Christians being prideful and arrogant and then go off statements harmlessly presented to you as idiocy. There was no attack from myself or others.
You have been attacking everyone else who disagrees with you, but most people have been peacemakers throughout.
If anything myself and others took the slaps you passed out and turned the other cheek. We refrained from retaliation and continued on with the discussion.
Whoever did not, I do not know, but since I responded to your post, it was just you getting upset for things you yourself are doing.
So I am stepping out.
The statement may be harmless but it's complete idiocy to claim that at mass I demand Jesus show up to do miracles. I'm not included to graciously entertain idiocy. Have I called anything you have posted to me, "idicoy"? No because it hasn't been and we've disagreed. What that person posted was idiocy. If you don't like that I said that I'd say I'm sorry but i don't like to lie. It was and still is idiocy and I will call it what it is.
You keep saying that, and I keep quoting Jesus' words.
"My words are spirit, the flesh profits nothing."
So go ahead, if you believe you are eating Jesus' flesh as you eat your church's communion wafer, just realize, it profits you nothing. Not my opinion, Jesus' words.
Anyway, you've been shown this, I'm done.
Much love!
So do I. Prove your understanding of his words is authoritative.
Jesus said THE flesh profits nothing not MY(Jesus) flesh profits nothing. If his flesh profits nothing then his dying on the cross is just another roman execution. Really?
You should run away because you can't show it's anything more than your opinion. You people really hate being questioned don't you? You really think your understanding is superior to anyone elses. It oozes out of you people. They should make a fragrance
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John 6:56-64 KJV
56) He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57) As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58) This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59) These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60) Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61) When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62) What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64) But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
56) He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57) As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58) This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59) These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60) Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61) When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62) What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64) But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Why would a symbolic meaning be viewed as a "hard saying" or why would anyone be offended by a symbol? I have no trouble believing that Jesus is speaking literally. Its a hard saying but it doesn't offend me. I don't know how he does it and I dont need to know but I just believe Jesus does give us his flesh to eat and his blood to drink in the Eucharist. He loves us and wouldnt scandalize us by allowing us to see whats actually present. I see with faith not with my eyes. You're the one that has the problem with his message not me.
It's what you believe, that Jesus shows up and is literally present in the bread and the wine, allowing you to eat his body and drink his blood. Your church itself calls it a miracle. All because you understand John 6 the wrong way. No idiocy here.
Taken
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That poster claims i "demand" God show up and perform a miracle. I do not. It's idiocy to claim I do. You can't properly understand what I wrote but I'm supposed to believe you properly understand what John wrote 2000 years ago? LMBO
You claim I don't understand John correctly. Ok show me proof that your understanding of what John said is authoritative. You and I read the same words and reach different conclusions. You can't just claim I'm wrong you have to show how I'm wrong and what's your authority for making such claims. I gave you my authority but you haven't done the same. You're wasting your time and mine.
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@nedsk
Ned, Please read through it wont take long. Just trying to help. Jesus often spoke using pictures and symbols, not in a literal way. Many times people misunderstood Him because they took His words too literally. For example, when Jesus told Nicodemus, “Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3), Nicodemus thought of a man going back into his mother’s womb. But Jesus was speaking of being born of the Spirit, a spiritual rebirth.
Another time Jesus said, “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved” (John 10:9). He was not a wooden door with hinges, but the only way to God. In the same chapter He said, “I am the good shepherd” (John 10:11). He was not literally a shepherd holding a staff, but He cares for His people as a shepherd cares for sheep.
To the Samaritan woman at the well He said, “Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst” (John 4:14). She thought He meant physical water, but He was speaking of the Spirit and eternal life.
He also said, “I am the vine, you are the branches” (John 15:5). He was not a plant, and His followers were not wooden branches. He meant there must be a living connection between Him and His people.
In the Sermon on the Mount He told His followers, “You are the light of the world” (Matthew 5:14). They were not the sun or a lamp, but their lives were to shine in righteousness so others could see the way to God.
When He warned His disciples, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees” (Matthew 16:6), they thought He was talking about bread. But He explained He meant their false teachings.
He once said, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19). The Jews thought He was speaking of the stone temple in Jerusalem, but He was speaking of His body that would rise from the dead.
He also said, “Whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it” (Matthew 16:25). He was not asking people to kill themselves, but to give up their selfish ways and follow Him.
With all these examples, it is clear that Jesus often spoke with deep spiritual meaning, not with plain literal words. So when He said in John 6, “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53), He was speaking in the same way—using powerful symbols to teach a spiritual truth. Many who heard Him were offended because they thought of it in a literal, physical way. But Jesus explained it plainly a little later: “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63).
Just as with being “born again,” or Jesus being a “door,” a “shepherd,” “water,” a “vine,” “light,” “leaven,” or “temple,” His words about eating His flesh and drinking His blood were spiritual. They mean we must accept Him fully, trust Him completely, and live by His words, for they are spirit and life.
In the Bible, when Jesus repeated His words more than once, even three times, it was to show great importance, certainty, and urgency. In Hebrew culture, repeating something was the strongest way to stress that it is true and must be taken seriously.
For example, Jesus often said, “Most assuredly, I say to you” (John 3:3 and many other places). In the original language He was repeating “Amen, amen,” which means, “This is absolutely true.”
He also asked Peter three times after the resurrection, “Do you love Me?” (John 21:15–17). This was not by accident. Peter had denied Him three times, and Jesus gave him three chances to confess his love and be restored. The threefold question also showed the depth of love and loyalty Jesus was asking for.
Another example is in the Garden of Gethsemane. Jesus prayed the same words three times, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done” (Matthew 26:39–44). The repetition showed His deep struggle and also His complete surrender to God’s will.
And in His teaching about watchfulness, Jesus said three times, “Watch therefore” (Mark 13:33, 35, 37). The triple call shows how serious it is that His followers stay awake spiritually and be ready for His coming.
So when Jesus repeated something three times, it was never careless or empty—it was His way of pressing the truth into people’s hearts so they would not forget.
And this brings us to the deep meaning of His words, “eat My flesh and drink My blood.” In the spiritual sense, “flesh” means His life given for us on the cross, the sacrifice of His body to bring us forgiveness and peace with God. “Blood” means His life poured out, because in the Bible blood represents life itself (Leviticus 17:11). It also means the blood of atonement, fulfilling the requirement for everyone’s sin, just as God had shown from the beginning that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. When Jesus says we must eat His flesh and drink His blood, He is calling us to accept His sacrifice fully, to trust in His death and the life He gives, and to let His words and His Spirit become part of us.
Just as food and drink enter the body, giving strength and life, so taking in Christ by faith gives spiritual life and strength. To eat His flesh and drink His blood is to believe in Him deeply, to make Him our daily bread, our only source of life, TO accept His sacrifice for us and to live by every word He has spoken. That is why He said, “He who eats Me will live because of Me” (John 6:57).
So the meaning is not about physical eating, but about a union with Him so close that He becomes our very life. His sacrifice on the cross is the bread that feeds us, and His poured-out life is the drink that gives us eternal life. This is why He ended by saying, “The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63).
Ned, Please read through it wont take long. Just trying to help. Jesus often spoke using pictures and symbols, not in a literal way. Many times people misunderstood Him because they took His words too literally. For example, when Jesus told Nicodemus, “Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3), Nicodemus thought of a man going back into his mother’s womb. But Jesus was speaking of being born of the Spirit, a spiritual rebirth.
Another time Jesus said, “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved” (John 10:9). He was not a wooden door with hinges, but the only way to God. In the same chapter He said, “I am the good shepherd” (John 10:11). He was not literally a shepherd holding a staff, but He cares for His people as a shepherd cares for sheep.
To the Samaritan woman at the well He said, “Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst” (John 4:14). She thought He meant physical water, but He was speaking of the Spirit and eternal life.
He also said, “I am the vine, you are the branches” (John 15:5). He was not a plant, and His followers were not wooden branches. He meant there must be a living connection between Him and His people.
In the Sermon on the Mount He told His followers, “You are the light of the world” (Matthew 5:14). They were not the sun or a lamp, but their lives were to shine in righteousness so others could see the way to God.
When He warned His disciples, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees” (Matthew 16:6), they thought He was talking about bread. But He explained He meant their false teachings.
He once said, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19). The Jews thought He was speaking of the stone temple in Jerusalem, but He was speaking of His body that would rise from the dead.
He also said, “Whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it” (Matthew 16:25). He was not asking people to kill themselves, but to give up their selfish ways and follow Him.
With all these examples, it is clear that Jesus often spoke with deep spiritual meaning, not with plain literal words. So when He said in John 6, “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53), He was speaking in the same way—using powerful symbols to teach a spiritual truth. Many who heard Him were offended because they thought of it in a literal, physical way. But Jesus explained it plainly a little later: “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63).
Just as with being “born again,” or Jesus being a “door,” a “shepherd,” “water,” a “vine,” “light,” “leaven,” or “temple,” His words about eating His flesh and drinking His blood were spiritual. They mean we must accept Him fully, trust Him completely, and live by His words, for they are spirit and life.
In the Bible, when Jesus repeated His words more than once, even three times, it was to show great importance, certainty, and urgency. In Hebrew culture, repeating something was the strongest way to stress that it is true and must be taken seriously.
For example, Jesus often said, “Most assuredly, I say to you” (John 3:3 and many other places). In the original language He was repeating “Amen, amen,” which means, “This is absolutely true.”
He also asked Peter three times after the resurrection, “Do you love Me?” (John 21:15–17). This was not by accident. Peter had denied Him three times, and Jesus gave him three chances to confess his love and be restored. The threefold question also showed the depth of love and loyalty Jesus was asking for.
Another example is in the Garden of Gethsemane. Jesus prayed the same words three times, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done” (Matthew 26:39–44). The repetition showed His deep struggle and also His complete surrender to God’s will.
And in His teaching about watchfulness, Jesus said three times, “Watch therefore” (Mark 13:33, 35, 37). The triple call shows how serious it is that His followers stay awake spiritually and be ready for His coming.
So when Jesus repeated something three times, it was never careless or empty—it was His way of pressing the truth into people’s hearts so they would not forget.
And this brings us to the deep meaning of His words, “eat My flesh and drink My blood.” In the spiritual sense, “flesh” means His life given for us on the cross, the sacrifice of His body to bring us forgiveness and peace with God. “Blood” means His life poured out, because in the Bible blood represents life itself (Leviticus 17:11). It also means the blood of atonement, fulfilling the requirement for everyone’s sin, just as God had shown from the beginning that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. When Jesus says we must eat His flesh and drink His blood, He is calling us to accept His sacrifice fully, to trust in His death and the life He gives, and to let His words and His Spirit become part of us.
Just as food and drink enter the body, giving strength and life, so taking in Christ by faith gives spiritual life and strength. To eat His flesh and drink His blood is to believe in Him deeply, to make Him our daily bread, our only source of life, TO accept His sacrifice for us and to live by every word He has spoken. That is why He said, “He who eats Me will live because of Me” (John 6:57).
So the meaning is not about physical eating, but about a union with Him so close that He becomes our very life. His sacrifice on the cross is the bread that feeds us, and His poured-out life is the drink that gives us eternal life. This is why He ended by saying, “The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63).