Justification from everlasting !

[brightfame52]

Ps 103:17

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

I do not think it will be argued that Justification by Faith is a very great mercy to experience in this life. This mercy was not just random or by chance , or by freewill, but was established as a sure mercy from everlasting. God, the everlasting God, Preached the gospel of Justification to Abraham centuries ago Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

which is referring to Gen 12:3

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

But now what was the previous bases for this Mercy ? I believe it was the everlasting Covenant which is what Ps 103:17 is referring to, as the Mercy from everlasting.

I believe Jesus coming in the incarnation was a effect of that Covenant and why He is called the promised mercy.

Lk 1:67-73,77,78

67And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,


77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

78Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, !

So Christ coming to die for His People is the fruition of the everlasting covenant. His coming was an act of mercy, in that He would give himself, his soul an offering for sin, for the transgressions of God's People.

 

[brightfame52]

Justification from everlasting ! continued

So Christ coming to die for His People is the fruition of the everlasting covenant. His coming was an act of mercy, in that He would give himself, his soul an offering for sin, for the transgressions of God's People.

Isa 53:8-11

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Now no one can read this and not perceive that Christ came into the world with the sin burden [imputed] of His People He was to die for. Was not that evident from His prayer right before his crucifixion in the garden. Was not the cup He was to drink, the punishment for the imputed Transgressions of the Elect of God Matt 26:38
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38Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Lk 22:44

And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

I believe this vividly shows That sin had been laid to His charge already.

Now here is the big question that needs to be answered, When was this cup laid to His Charge ? We know it was before the actual cross, for the foregoing event in the garden supposes that. The cup of the imputed guilt of The sins of God's People was laid on Him from everlasting, as the Surety of the Everlasting Covenant. See Heb 7:22

He struck hands as it were with the Father to become its Surety Prov 6:1

My son, if thou be surety for thy friend, if thou hast stricken thy hand with a stranger,

Now if this be True, then it must also be True, that God, from everlasting, never laid to the charge the iniquities of them Christ had become a Surety for, because God could not now hold them both responsible, that is Christ and them He covenanted for.

This would be therefore their Justification from everlasting. How can those who God will not impute sin, not be Justified ? Thats why Paul wrote in Rom 8:33

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

We plainly see here that non imputed charges = God Justifying !

Here we have it, God not laying any charges on His elect, because they were laid upon their surety, constitutes their Justification before Him.

The only way this Truth can be denied, or not true, is Christ not having become a surety for the sins of Gods elect from everlasting.

 

[brightfame52]

What is Justification ?

What is Justification ? This word as used in scripture is never used in the physical sense as to produce an inward work in the sinner, but it is strictly forensic, and it is opposed not to our condition as sinful creatures and enmity towards God, but to a state of legal condemnation.

The greek word is dikaiōsis and means:

the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

2) abjuring to be righteous, justification

The word is used twice in the NT:

Rom 4:25 ; Rom 5:18

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

It is a term of Law and utilized in Judicial affairs conducted in a court. Those whom Christ died for stand Justified, not guilty before God, solely on the principal or ground work of Christ Blood Rom 5:9 ! And that while they are in a state of impurity and sinfulness. See Rom 5:10

 

[brightfame52]

Justification is a external act of God [upon the sinner] as a Judge, acting in a Court of Justice on guilty sinners, and not the internal work of the Spirit on the heart as in 2 Thess 2:13. God is acting upon the principal of Justice,according to His Law, He Justifies the Ungodly, and those be the Elect of God. This Justification is not based upon having been renewed by the Spirit as per Titus 3:5, nor because they have repented or believed, nor any such obedience of theirs, but solely on the Obedience and Blood of Christ. Rom 5:19

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Rom 8:33-34

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 1

 

[Lizbeth]

Justification from everlasting ! continued

So Christ coming to die for His People is the fruition of the everlasting covenant. His coming was an act of mercy, in that He would give himself, his soul an offering for sin, for the transgressions of God's People.

Isa 53:8-11

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Now no one can read this and not perceive that Christ came into the world with the sin burden [imputed] of His People He was to die for. Was not that evident from His prayer right before his crucifixion in the garden. Was not the cup He was to drink, the punishment for the imputed Transgressions of the Elect of God Matt 26:38
-42
38Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Lk 22:44

And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

I believe this vividly shows That sin had been laid to His charge already.

Now here is the big question that needs to be answered, When was this cup laid to His Charge ? We know it was before the actual cross, for the foregoing event in the garden supposes that. The cup of the imputed guilt of The sins of God's People was laid on Him from everlasting, as the Surety of the Everlasting Covenant. See Heb 7:22

He struck hands as it were with the Father to become its Surety Prov 6:1

My son, if thou be surety for thy friend, if thou hast stricken thy hand with a stranger,

Now if this be True, then it must also be True, that God, from everlasting, never laid to the charge the iniquities of them Christ had become a Surety for, because God could not now hold them both responsible, that is Christ and them He covenanted for.

This would be therefore their Justification from everlasting. How can those who God will not impute sin, not be Justified ? Thats why Paul wrote in Rom 8:33

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

We plainly see here that non imputed charges = God Justifying !

Here we have it, God not laying any charges on His elect, because they were laid upon their surety, constitutes their Justification before Him.

The only way this Truth can be denied, or not true, is Christ not having become a surety for the sins of Gods elect from everlasting.

Good study brother. Amen, the everlasting covenant that God swore to Abraham, and was entered into by faith, long before the Law came into effect and before the crucifixion occurred in the realm of time. And just to say, I think of the term "justified" as meaning exonerated, absolved.

I'm not sure how necessary it is to know when the cup was laid to His charge (in the sense that I wouldn't get into any fights over it), however it may have been laid to His charge in time past only in the same sense that the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world.....which I believe refers to God's foreknowledge and sure plans (His will), since we know Jesus wasn't slain in the realm of time until the 1st century. Keeping in mind that God and the heavenly realm exist outside the earthly realm and its limitations of time.....so I agree that everlasting could refer to time past, as well as time in the future - which is already a done deal from God's point of view outside of time, even when not yet experienced or having occurred from earth's point of view.

 

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@Lizbeth

I'm not sure how necessary it is to know when the cup was laid to His charge (in the sense that I wouldn't get into any fights over it), however it may have been laid to His charge in time past only in the same sense that the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world.

Okay, so whenever He had them laid to Hs Charge, they could not be charged to the elect at the same time. Even if He had not yet died for them, they were still laid on His Credit card account and not theirs, meaning God looked for Him alone to satisfy their debt and not them, so they would be Justified from them on that just basis alone.

 

[Lizbeth]

@Lizbeth


Okay, so whenever He had them laid to Hs Charge, they could not be charged to the elect at the same time. Even if He had not yet died for them, they were still laid on His Credit card account and not theirs, meaning God looked for Him alone to satisfy their debt and not them, so they would be Justified from them on that just basis alone.

Maybe we could consider this is true from heaven's point of view, according to God's foreknowledge, even while not yet true in fact in terms of earth's vantage point...? Each soul needs to personally receive Christ to be saved. And while each elect soul is foreknown by God, and this is why many of us can even see glimpses of His hand upon our lives before we believed, nobody has received Christ in real time until they actually have done so. Hope that makes sense. Even the OT saints had to wait for the crucifixion to occur in the realm of time to be "saved" after death (when Jesus went and preached the gospel to those souls in hades).....where the bible says "they without us would not be made perfect". But God has foreknown all of us and chosen us, as it were, before the world began.

 

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@Lizbeth

Each soul needs to personally receive Christ to be saved. And while each elect soul is foreknown by God, and this is why many of us can even see glimpses of His hand upon our lives before we believed, nobody has received Christ in real time until they actually have done so.

I gotcha, but holding that view of yours to me is conditioning salvation on works, on the doing of man, sorry

 

[Lizbeth]

@Lizbeth



I gotcha, but holding that view of yours to me is conditioning salvation on works, on the doing of man, sorry

The work of God is to believe on He who He sent.

 

[brightfame52]

The work of God is to believe on He who He sent.

I know that. However you mentioned your act or receiving is necessary for salvation. Here it is:

Each soul needs to personally receive Christ to be saved. And while each elect soul is foreknown by God, and this is why many of us can even see glimpses of His hand upon our lives before we believed, nobody has received Christ in real time until they actually have done so.

Is personally receiving Christ your act or not ?

 

[Lizbeth]

I know that. However you mentioned your act or receiving is necessary for salvation. Here it is:



Is personally receiving Christ your act or not ?

Receiving/believing is a passive thing....all we need do is not resist the Spirit when He comes calling.

 

[brightfame52]

Justification is not the act of man, nor is it contingent upon his knowledge of it, but it is solely the act of God the Judge, and is valid from the date that Judge decided the case. God decided on the case of His own Elect before the world began, and Chose them in Christ Eph 1:4;2 Tim 1:9, and in His Righteous verdict gave them Grace and Every Spiritual Blessing for Time and Eternity. Their iniquities which were foreknown by Him, were laid on Christ as He was constituted the Surety of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Heb 13:20; Isa 53:6, and so God will not impute [lay to the charge] their sins unto them.

These are they that David said Ps 32:1-2

1Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

See Also Rom 4:7-8 ; 2 Cor 5:19; Jn 1:47. God will not impute sin to His Elect because He has laid them already on Christ, and so they are Blessed Matt 25:34

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

 

[brightfame52]

Receiving/believing is a passive thing....all we need do is not resist the Spirit when He comes calling.

You still requiring man to do something. Thats works

 

[Lizbeth]

You still requiring man to do something. Thats works

Oh my goodness, I'm afraid you've got a bit of a bug in your brain there my friend. God didn't create man to be puppets, we're made in His image with free agency, and He doesn't force Himself on people. One thing that makes the Lord so very great, is that He allows both man and devil to exercise their will generally, while still remaining sovereignly ruling and reigning over it all..

 

[brightfame52]

Oh my goodness, I'm afraid you've got a bit of a bug in your brain there my friend. God didn't create man to be puppets, we're made in His image with free agency, and He doesn't force Himself on people. One thing that makes the Lord so very great, is that He allows both man and devil to exercise their will generally, while still remaining sovereignly ruling and reigning over it all..

May God be pleased to deliver you from the deception of justification by your works, action, and not by the sole action of Christ alone.

 

[brightfame52]

Is it just a decree to Justify ?

Some who call themselves believers and upholding the Faith of Christ, so understand Justification as a decree to Justify, meaning they believe God will Justify a sinner in the future, but until such time they are born again and brought to act in faith or believing on Christ, and then by this act of reliance, God will then Justifies them. THATS WORKS. So Justification is made like a reward or payment for ones act of believing. This teaching is not of God, but it opposes the work of Christ. For if God declares a sinner righteous because they believe in Christ, it is faith or believing as an act or obedience of ours, and not the blood and righteousness of Christ which is the cause of our Justification. Yet scripture is clear, that as a Judge, God Justifies us because Christ died for us, or because our sins where imputed to Him; and not because we believed it. For Faith is the evidence of Justification and not the cause of it !
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