Kingdom Prayer

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There is not much concern, nor much direct Scriptural reference (but a great amount of Scriptural inference by the OT prophets and NT passages) to the Eschatology of Israel; so it is expected that not many believers will find much interest in the theology relating to this subject. But when will God finally restore His people Israel? The only time remaining is during the Millennial Kingdom!

Christians can differentiate the attributes between Law and Grace: law says be obedient and live; grace says God will ensure you will be obedient and live (Phl 2:13; Jde 1:24). It wasn’t until God would indwell man by His Spirit that He would control the believer by the new man, or new nature—through His Holy Spirit, which of course was always God’s plan; esp. when considering the depth of evil to which humans succumb to the control of the “old man” (“dominion” – Ro 6:14).
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Kingdom Prayer


What is commonly called “The Lord’s Prayer,” and is in reality, the prayer that the Lord taught His disciples when contemplating the kingdom, is prayer concerning the millennial kingdom (which will be on the old earth—NC). He said (Mat 6:8-15; 7:11): “After this manner therefore pray ye.” The prayer is directly concerned with the issues of the coming millennial kingdom. “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”

Of the great themes mentioned in this model kingdom prayer, but one is taken up here for special comment and emphasis. It is as though the Spirit of God were seeking to save the reader from any confusion at this point. This special comment amplified the one petition: “And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.” The divine comment on this reads: For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (this is law, because under grace the Spirit convicts believers to forgive—NC).

This, again, is purely legal. Forgiveness on the part of the Christian is enjoined; but it is enjoined in agreement with the exalted principle of grace: “Tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you”; “Even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye” (Eph 4:32; Col 3:13). The legal character of this great kingdom-prayer should not be overlooked because of sentimental reasons growing out of early training (immature understanding—NC).

Attempts have been made to relate this divine forgiveness, which is conditioned on a forgiving attitude of the sinner (unsaved—NC), with the Father’s present forgiveness towards the believer who is under grace (i.e. the unsaved forgiven by God if they forgive, which is not true—NC). Such an interpretation is as foreign to the precise relationship which belong to grace as it would be if the passage were said to teach the present divine forgiveness of the unsaved. Present forgiveness for both the unsaved and the saved is a matter of pure grace, and the divine conditions which are imposed are in perfect harmony with this fact.

In this present dispensation, the unsaved are forgiven as a part of the entire accomplishment in salvation on the one condition that they believe (become Christians—NC); and the saved are forgiven on the one condition that they confess (1Jn 1:9 - the saved already forgives—NC). These two words do not represent meritorious works; they represent the simple adjustment of the heart to that which is already provided in the grace of God. The Cross has changed things for all, and a covenant of law-works is stated in the passage in question (in question; the preceding paragraph, which explains that the unsaved are not forgiven even if they forgive, because they are unsaved—NC).

Such a covenant is the very foundation of all kingdom teaching; but it is wholly foreign to the teachings of grace. Christ, as some claim, must not be presented as a stern, austere Ruler. The marvel is that He is ever anything else. God’s holiness is not subject to gracious leniency toward sin. Apart from the Cross where redemption’s price has been paid, there could be nothing but the consuming fire of judgement; but, since God in infinite love has provided a Substitute, there can be boundless grace.

In this present dispensation, God is dealing with men on the ground of His grace as it is in Christ. His dealings with men in the coming dispensation (final dispensation—millennial kingdom—NC) are based on a very different relationship (different than time of OT believers in God—NC). At that time, the King will “rule with a rod of iron” (Rev 2:27). There is no word of the Cross, or of grace, in the kingdom teachings. This prayer is, by its own expression, a kingdom prayer. The basis of appeal in prayer under grace is that of the believer’s present union in identification with Christ in heaven at the right hand of the Father.


—L S Chafer (1871-1952)







MJS daily devotional excerpt for February 5 (I recommend reading the entire devotions for more understanding)

“The defect in souls in general is the incompleteness of their conversion. It is pardon that is apprehended and not acceptance. Acceptance embraces God’s side—how He feels, and this should be chief, for we as sinners have offended Him. The offender has been removed from His eye by a Man—the Lord Jesus Christ, and He can receive us on the ground of the Man who glorified Him in bearing our judgment (Eph 1:6).

“We cannot enjoy acceptance but in the way in which it was acquired or effected for us, and if we are in the acceptance we know that no improvement of the flesh could commend us to God, and that we cannot be before Him but in Christ. But if we are in any degree dark as to the crucifixion (Ro 6:6—NC) of the old man (believers are no longer part of the “old man” - Ro 8:9—NC), we are not in acceptance experientially (though we are practically, being in Christ—NC), we are not in the daily benefit of it (more than just accepted but fully delivered from all sin—NC), and our liberty by the Spirit can never go beyond our conscious acceptance” (God want us to know we are accepted and delivered—NC). -James Butler Stoney (1814-1897) None But The Hungry Heart
 
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There is not much concern, nor much direct Scriptural reference (but a great amount of Scriptural inference by the OT prophets and NT passages) to the Eschatology of Israel; so it is expected that not many believers will find much interest in the theology relating to this subject. But when will God finally restore His people Israel? The only time remaining is during the Millennial Kingdom!

Christians can differentiate the attributes between Law and Grace: law says be obedient and live; grace says God will ensure you will be obedient and live (Phl 2:13; Jde 1:24). It wasn’t until God would indwell man by His Spirit that He would control the believer by the new man, or new nature—through His Holy Spirit, which of course was always God’s plan; esp. when considering the depth of evil to which humans succumb to the control of the “old man” (“dominion” – Ro 6:14).
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I will address just this part for now. It's a big subject. The reason I'm Premillennial is precisely because of what you said, that a time and a place has to be reserved for Israel's entry into redemption.

Israel's OT status was as temporary "sons." They have yet to obtain their permanent "sonship" as a nation, in a general sense. (Not every individual has to be a true son for there to be a national "sonship" in the general sense.)

If everybody just obtains their eternal reward at Christ's Coming, then when is Israel actually restored as a nation? And much of OT Prophecy speaks of Israel's final restoration, when their oppression will be "never again." The nation never obtained their final "sonship" as a nation.

I don't distinguish Law and Grace exactly as you do, though there is a similarity in my view with yours. I do agree that with NT Grace the Spirit indwells us permanently, making us sons, whereas in the OT the Spirit moved on and in people rendering them servants that are tentatively treated as "sons."

In the OT Israel could be disqualified as God's People, or "sons," if they broke, as a nation, from God's Covenant. And of course, we know that Israel did break from God's Law, and suffered a loss of status with God. The Kingdom of God passed from their nation to other nations.

So, in my view, the OT Covenant had to await Christ's work of Grace in order to establish permanency in Israel's covenant relationship with God, giving people eternal sonship and Eternal Life. And I do agree with you that enablement from Christ alone marks this NT exhibition of sonship, righteousness, and Eternal LIfe.

However, I find this same kind of enablement to take place in the OT, as well, though lacking the permanency of sonship, righteousness, and Eternal Life. In the OT, righteousness required God's enablement, as well, in my opinion. The enablement Christ gives in providing us with Eternal Life and the eternal indwelling of the Spirit, does not preclude there having been "enablement" under the OT system, as well.

The "obedience" that existed in the OT era was as "enabled" as it is in the NT era. No obedience is possible apart from our participation in the virtues of God. By faith this is possible in both testaments, and not just in the NT era. "Faith" is, by definition, based on "enablement" that comes from Christ as the source of our faith.

Again, it is just Christ's work on the Cross that made our enablement "permanent," resulting in Eternal Life. And this made NT enablement different from OT enablement, ie the permanency of our status with God in the NT era.
 

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Israel's OT status was as temporary "sons." They have yet to obtain their permanent "sonship" as a nation, in a general sense. (Not every individual has to be a true son for there to be a national "sonship" in the general sense.)
Hi Brother! The salvation of the Jews is and always has been God's plan, He being omniscient. True, not every Jew will be saved, just those believing in God (there are Jews who do not believe in God, just as most of the Gentiles).
If everybody just obtains their eternal reward at Christ's Coming, then when is Israel actually restored as a nation? And much of OT Prophecy speaks of Israel's final restoration, when their oppression will be "never again." The nation never obtained their final "sonship" as a nation.
All the believing Jews (believing in God that is but not in Christ - "Ye believe in God" - Jhn 14:1) will remain as "a people of God," and will miss the opportunity of sonship, it requiring faith in Christ before they see Him.
In the OT Israel could be disqualified as God's People, or "sons," if they broke, as a nation, from God's Covenant.
Just as there are disobedient immature Christians and are learning God's will (Phl 2:13), it's the same for disobedient Jews learning God's "goodness," which "leads to repentance" (Rom 2:4). There will always be some who are immature and ignorant of understanding of His Word until they mature. God brings every reborn to maturity, given the time of course.
So, in my view, the OT Covenant had to await Christ's work of Grace in order to establish permanency in Israel's covenant relationship with God, giving people eternal sonship and Eternal Life.
Yes, Christ's the expiation for sin is the same for the OT believers, they just didn't know it was His sacrifice that they emulated in the types of sin sacrifices. Similar to paying it forward. Yes, them inheriting eternal life, but not the sonship. That's why they finally inherit the new earth, and Christians the new heaven.
 

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Hi Brother! The salvation of the Jews is and always has been God's plan, He being omniscient. True, not every Jew will be saved, just those believing in God (there are Jews who do not believe in God, just as most of the Gentiles).

All the believing Jews (believing in God that is but not in Christ - "Ye believe in God" - Jhn 14:1) will remain as "a people of God," and will miss the opportunity of sonship, it requiring faith in Christ before they see Him.

Just as there are disobedient immature Christians and are learning God's will (Phl 2:13), it's the same for disobedient Jews learning God's "goodness," which "leads to repentance" (Rom 2:4). There will always be some who are immature and ignorant of understanding of His Word until they mature. God brings every reborn to maturity, given the time of course.

Yes, Christ's the expiation for sin is the same for the OT believers, they just didn't know it was His sacrifice that they emulated in the types of sin sacrifices. Similar to paying it forward. Yes, them inheriting eternal life, but not the sonship. That's why they finally inherit the new earth, and Christians the new heaven.
When Christ comes the Church will inherit heaven, yes. But in order to properly fulfill the promise to Abraham, to have Israel and to have many nations, there must be an assembly of nations *on earth* during the Millennium.

What this means to me is that Israel, as a nation, will be converted to become a Christian nation. And many fallen Christian nations will repent and return to being true Christian nations.

I don't personally believe Israel will be the dominant Christian nation on the "New Earth" or in the Millennium. It does sound like that in OT prophecies.

I think the emphasis on Israel's triumph over the Gentiles in OT Prophecy has to do with Israel's victory over what in the OT era were pagan nations. In the NT era, Gentile nations are not all pagan.

But we'll see. Thanks for your thoughts.
 

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When Christ comes the Church will inherit heaven, yes. But in order to properly fulfill the promise to Abraham, to have Israel and to have many nations, there must be an assembly of nations *on earth* during the Millennium.
Yes, there are always nations on the earth: Rev 2:26; 7:9; 10:11, and about a dozen more references to the "nations" in Revelation.
What this means to me is that Israel, as a nation, will be converted to become a Christian nation.
Only the Jews who believe in Christ before they see Him will be Christians. The non-Christian Jews who believe in God will eternally only be God's people.
 

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Yes, there are always nations on the earth: Rev 2:26; 7:9; 10:11, and about a dozen more references to the "nations" in Revelation.

Only the Jews who believe in Christ before they see Him will be Christians. The non-Christian Jews who believe in God will eternally only be God's people.
I'm not familiar with that kind of eschatology. Does it have a name or origin?
 

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I'm not familiar with that kind of eschatology. Does it have a name or origin?
It's just common theology that to be a Christian you have to believe in Him before you see Him. Similar to believing in Christ's resurrection: "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" (Jhn 20:29). To believe in Christ is to believe in His resurrection (Rom 10:9). The Apostles believed in Christ's resurrection only after they saw Him (Jhn 20:9; Luk 24:11). Jesus had briefly mentioned about His resurrection but they were slow to understand it (Jhn 20:9; Luk 24:11). John believed before seeing Him alive (Jhn 20:8).
 

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Randy, here are a few related passages about Israel's resurrection, which dispensationalists agree that it will be simultaneous with the Christian's resurrection.

Isa 4:2, 3; 26:19
Dan 12:1-3
Eze 20:33, 34; 37:1-4, 11-14
 

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It's just common theology that to be a Christian you have to believe in Him before you see Him. Similar to believing in Christ's resurrection: "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" (Jhn 20:29). To believe in Christ is to believe in His resurrection (Rom 10:9). The Apostles believed in Christ's resurrection only after they saw Him (Jhn 20:9; Luk 24:11). Jesus had briefly mentioned about His resurrection but they were slow to understand it (Jhn 20:9; Luk 24:11). John believed before seeing Him alive (Jhn 20:8).
okay--it sounded like more than that, but it's okay.