Leading Away from the Abortion Issues

[dev553344]

There are probably appropriate reasons for abortion and in-appropriate reasons as well. When the mother's life is at risk for attempting to give birth and complications of child birth are presented by a licensed doctor then hopefully she is given the decision over that issue and how to proceed. There is child and adult rape that is a crime before God. There is also problems with the normal birthing process and there may be other reasons that come up regarding abortions. And I pray God guides them on difficult issues and decisions of which any abortion certainly is.

There are them that have committed abortions and then the possibility of confession and repentance area applies to them. And for those babies lost it is no longer death they suffered afterwards, for God the Father, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Ghost would have surely saved them and are living in Heaven with their Angels. It is then the women that committed abortions if it was inappropriately done, that God loves them and can, if he chooses, guide them forward thru life towards Heaven. Then God would have them join Him in honoring Him and His children and celebrating Him and his children. There is the scripture written that the first two greatest commandments is to love God and then love your brothers and sisters in Christ. How much does God love the sinner? The lost sheep parable and the following posted scripture helps to understand God's love for the sinner:

See the link: Bible Gateway passage: Luke 15 - New King James Version

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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I saw some troubles in countries and thought I would like to address what I feel might be a good approach to leading people away from having inappropriate abortions. I did some internet research and found some reports from areas of studies that may have suggested that there were post and pre birth abortions going on. Which means that they are a very serious issue.

So what kind of approach could a good Christian take to address this issue. Well there is the dark problem approach of what I said above which might be helpful for the Christians to understand the problem. But might not be helpful for others considering abortion.

There is also a light approach to healing the nations from the problem of inappropriate abortions. How are women being lead to abort their babies in inappropriate conditons? There are areas in life we all must encounter. And we must decide what we will be part of and what we like about life and ourselves. As a prodigal son myself, I was given happiness from God as an inheritance and learned that I could spend it in different ways and lose that happiness. And I learned thru life that I could be led and also involve myself in actions that cost me my happiness.

The prodigal son parable: Bible Gateway passage: Luke 15:11-32 - New King James Version

Now the youth may be being raised inappropriately by influences in their lives, which can be: Family, Friends, Teachers, Universities educating the Teachers, Social media these days, Movies, Radio, and Countries may try to exert their influence over others countries for various reasons. And there may be more.

The first line of defense for a child welcomed into this life is to have them Baptized and confessing their sins they have committed, Confirmed with the Holy Spirit of God for Guidance and Direction thru life towards a Good and Happy outcome, and the Sacrament of Bread of Wine that represents the Body of Christ and Eternal Life. All of God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost do represent many Living aspects of a heavenly family light leading us while we journey thru this life, in hopes that we will have eternal happiness and be part of the Family of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Heavenly Mother, and the Angels of God.

Matthew 3:5-6 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.

That doesn't mean as some religious organizations teach that one must first repent to be baptized, it states to confess. And to confess we must acknowledge that something is evil that we have done and decide we don't desire to repeat that evil work. And there are some that twist that which is good and evil and go too far or too little in the description of what needs to be accepted as evil committed and confessed of. The bible does spell out what is sin and addresses those issues in the new and old testament.

The second line of defense for a youth is providing a message: Dress modestly as men and women so as to not provoke unnecessary temptations among themselves which would lead to improper behavior when too young for dating and too young for marriage and also after that as a Christian example.

While going thru life as a youth or even after high school and during college and even afterwards, There will be various messages they encounter as they experience the world. And hopefully there is good and virtuous and holy messages they encounter always along the journey of life. Let's face it there are evil and tempting messages that they may be led into which have a darker experiences, and they may decide at some point they no longer desire those unhappy feelings like the prodigal son which might also relate to women.

Some of the good messages we can discuss in this thread. I will come up with some like modest dress, and place them below:

The new testaments address some issues already in the organization of it's early church message which is done by the Apostles and also Jesus the Christ.

Do not submerse yourself in unnecessary temptations. And these temptations may be both brutal and sexual and may appear for the general population of nations in the media and also social interactions. For a biblical discussion of the problems of brutal and sexual areas, there is an interesting read in the book of Jude: Bible Gateway passage: Jude - New King James Version

And if people want to discuss the lighter issues of solutions to the problem women face when encountering ideas of abortion that is what this thread is for. And I like the idea of keeping the good light leading them away from abortions as messages they encounter in areas presented to them in media, social media and social interactions.

Thank You.

 

[MorningDance13]

Your reasons for so-called appropriate abortions are full of holes but I'm going to address two of them.
The purpose of an abortion is to end the life of the living human person that is inside a woman's uterus who has his or her own unique human DNA not the mother's DNA ergo she is not doing anything with her own body but rather somebody else's body.

Secondly if things become so dire that a woman's actual life is being threatened by the continuation of the pregnancy an abortion is significantly more stressful and dangerous to perform than an emergency C-section.
The former would remove the baby in ripped apart pieces and dead while the latter would remove the baby intact and alive (unless he or she had already died of course).
The former would take several hours to perform and the latter a significantly shorter period of time.
If a woman's life is being threatened time is of the essence.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

There are probably appropriate reasons for abortion and in-appropriate reasons as well. When the mother's life is at risk for attempting to give birth and complications of child birth are presented by a licensed doctor then hopefully she is given the decision over that issue and how to proceed. There is child and adult rape that is a crime before God. There is also problems with the normal birthing process and there may be other reasons that come up regarding abortions. And I pray God guides them on difficult issues and decisions of which any abortion certainly is.

There are them that have committed abortions and then the possibility of confession and repentance area applies to them. And for those babies lost it is no longer death they suffered afterwards, for God the Father, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Ghost would have surely saved them and are living in Heaven with their Angels. It is then the women that committed abortions if it was inappropriately done, that God loves them and can, if he chooses, guide them forward thru life towards Heaven. Then God would have them join Him in honoring Him and His children and celebrating Him and his children. There is the scripture written that the first two greatest commandments is to love God and then love your brothers and sisters in Christ. How much does God love the sinner? The lost sheep parable and the following posted scripture helps to understand God's love for the sinner:

See the link: Bible Gateway passage: Luke 15 - New King James Version

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

=================================================================================

I saw some troubles in countries and thought I would like to address what I feel might be a good approach to leading people away from having inappropriate abortions. I did some internet research and found some reports from areas of studies that may have suggested that there were post and pre birth abortions going on. Which means that they are a very serious issue.

So what kind of approach could a good Christian take to address this issue. Well there is the dark problem approach of what I said above which might be helpful for the Christians to understand the problem. But might not be helpful for others considering abortion.

There is also a light approach to healing the nations from the problem of inappropriate abortions. How are women being lead to abort their babies in inappropriate conditons? There are areas in life we all must encounter. And we must decide what we will be part of and what we like about life and ourselves. As a prodigal son myself, I was given happiness from God as an inheritance and learned that I could spend it in different ways and lose that happiness. And I learned thru life that I could be led and also involve myself in actions that cost me my happiness.

The prodigal son parable: Bible Gateway passage: Luke 15:11-32 - New King James Version

Now the youth may be being raised inappropriately by influences in their lives, which can be: Family, Friends, Teachers, Universities educating the Teachers, Social media these days, Movies, Radio, and Countries may try to exert their influence over others countries for various reasons. And there may be more.

The first line of defense for a child welcomed into this life is to have them Baptized and confessing their sins they have committed, Confirmed with the Holy Spirit of God for Guidance and Direction thru life towards a Good and Happy outcome, and the Sacrament of Bread of Wine that represents the Body of Christ and Eternal Life. All of God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost do represent many Living aspects of a heavenly family light leading us while we journey thru this life, in hopes that we will have eternal happiness and be part of the Family of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Heavenly Mother, and the Angels of God.

Matthew 3:5-6 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.

That doesn't mean as some religious organizations teach that one must first repent to be baptized, it states to confess. And to confess we must acknowledge that something is evil that we have done and decide we don't desire to repeat that evil work. And there are some that twist that which is good and evil and go too far or too little in the description of what needs to be accepted as evil committed and confessed of. The bible does spell out what is sin and addresses those issues in the new and old testament.

The second line of defense for a youth is providing a message: Dress modestly as men and women so as to not provoke unnecessary temptations among themselves which would lead to improper behavior when too young for dating and too young for marriage and also after that as a Christian example.

While going thru life as a youth or even after high school and during college and even afterwards, There will be various messages they encounter as they experience the world. And hopefully there is good and virtuous and holy messages they encounter always along the journey of life. Let's face it there are evil and tempting messages that they may be led into which have a darker experiences, and they may decide at some point they no longer desire those unhappy feelings like the prodigal son which might also relate to women.

Some of the good messages we can discuss in this thread. I will come up with some like modest dress, and place them below:

The new testaments address some issues already in the organization of it's early church message which is done by the Apostles and also Jesus the Christ.

Do not submerse yourself in unnecessary temptations. And these temptations may be both brutal and sexual and may appear for the general population of nations in the media and also social interactions. For a biblical discussion of the problems of brutal and sexual areas, there is an interesting read in the book of Jude: Bible Gateway passage: Jude - New King James Version

And if people want to discuss the lighter issues of solutions to the problem women face when encountering ideas of abortion that is what this thread is for. And I like the idea of keeping the good light leading them away from abortions as messages they encounter in areas presented to them in media, social media and social interactions.

Thank You.

As far as I can tell, you don't mention selfish motives that people have for getting an abortion. Neither did you say that having the child and then giving him/her up for adoption. How about abstinence from sex outside of marriage to avoid having a baby? And finally, what about the command, "You shall not murder"?

 

[ChristinaL]

Your reasons for so-called appropriate abortions are full of holes but I'm going to address two of them.
The purpose of an abortion is to end the life of the living human person that is inside a woman's uterus who has his or her own unique human DNA not the mother's DNA ergo she is not doing anything with her own body but rather somebody else's body.

Secondly if things become so dire that a woman's actual life is being threatened by the continuation of the pregnancy an abortion is significantly more stressful and dangerous to perform than an emergency C-section.
The former would remove the baby in ripped apart pieces and dead while the latter would remove the baby intact and alive (unless he or she had already died of course).
The former would take several hours to perform and the latter a significantly shorter period of time.
If a woman's life is being threatened time is of the essence.

I dont recall where I heard this from exactly but I did hear once on an online show where many OBGYNs had been surveyed and none of them had ever experienced an issue where the mother's life was in danger and so much so that abortion was the only option. There are always ways to save mother and baby exept in the case of miscarriage- and in a miscarriage well, the baby is already DEAD so there is no need to perform such a dreadful indignity to the body as cutting him to pieces.

If a woman is raped the woman can be counselled to keep the child or give him up.

I am hesitant to speak of children who get raped and become pregnant. But I do understand that a very small girl would truly be in real danger from a pregnancy. I do believe God would want mother and child to be under heavy medical supervision and both lives preserved as far as possible. And abortion used only as a very last resort if there was truly no other option

I say this from the perspective of how a grown woman or even an older teenager might have the maturity and presence of mind to willingly give her life for her baby but you cant force such a decision on a young child

 

[MorningDance13]

I dont recall where I heard this from exactly but I did hear once on an online show where many OBGYNs had been surveyed and none of them had ever experienced an issue where the mother's life was in danger and so much so that abortion was the only option. There are always ways to save mother and baby exept in the case of miscarriage- and in a miscarriage well, the baby is already DEAD so there is no need to perform such a dreadful indignity to the body as cutting him to pieces.

If a woman is raped the woman can be counselled to keep the child or give him up.

I am hesitant to speak of children who get raped and become pregnant. But I do understand that a very small girl would truly be in real danger from a pregnancy. I do believe God would want mother and child to be under heavy medical supervision and both lives preserved as far as possible. And abortion used only as a very last resort if there was truly no other option

I say this from the perspective of how a grown woman or even an older teenager might have the maturity and presence of mind to willingly give her life for her baby but you cant force such a decision on a young child

I'm pretty certain that if having an abortion is more stressful to an adult woman than an emergency C-section than committing an abortion against someone younger would be that much more stressful and dangerous to them.

What needs to be done is significantly more focused needs to be placed on men who commit crimes that get women pregnant when they don't want to be and actually believing victims and actually punishing perpetrators.

All that being said the actual facts are that less than 1% of elective abortions are committed on women who were sexually assaulted.

When abortion was kept legal for cases of sexual assault it became easier to make it legal for other reasons and then easier to make it legal for other reasons all the while living human beings were being murdered during abortions.
And then Roe v Wade happened.
That didn't happen overnight.
It happened incrementally over decades.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I dont recall where I heard this from exactly but I did hear once on an online show where many OBGYNs had been surveyed and none of them had ever experienced an issue where the mother's life was in danger and so much so that abortion was the only option. There are always ways to save mother and baby exept in the case of miscarriage- and in a miscarriage well, the baby is already DEAD so there is no need to perform such a dreadful indignity to the body as cutting him to pieces.

If a woman is raped the woman can be counselled to keep the child or give him up.

I am hesitant to speak of children who get raped and become pregnant. But I do understand that a very small girl would truly be in real danger from a pregnancy. I do believe God would want mother and child to be under heavy medical supervision and both lives preserved as far as possible. And abortion used only as a very last resort if there was truly no other option

I say this from the perspective of how a grown woman or even an older teenager might have the maturity and presence of mind to willingly give her life for her baby but you cant force such a decision on a young child

A woman has the right to not want any child if she was raped ! what you do is act on this issue directly, their is a Pill you can take to stop such taking place. It would be stupid not to ! A woman forced to have a child from a rape is very cruel.

Just as a woman is to old to truly have a child, they have that right but to act directly to stop such is the key !

A woman has the right to abort a disabled or etc child.

If the womans life is in danger, she has that right to abort.

No back yard abortions, you can not have such as that, for that would be a outright backwards society !

 

[MorningDance13]

A woman has the right to not want any child if she was raped ! what you do is act on this issue directly, their is a Pill you can take to stop such taking place. It would be stupid not to ! A woman forced to have a child from a rape is very cruel.

Just as a woman is to old to truly have a child, they have that right but to act directly to stop such is the key !

A woman has the right to abort a spastic or etc child.

If the womans life is in danger, she has that right to abort.

No back yard abortions, you can not have such as that, for that would be a outright backwards society !

If women have the right to choose what they do when they get pregnant do they not also have the right to not be called stupid for what they choose to do?
It is hateful, close-minded, and intolerant to say that women and girls who want to keep their children alive are stupid.
It definitely is not respecting their right to choose.

The pills that 'stop a pregnancy' simultaneously stop the life of a living human person from continuing.

Murdering living human persons because you are discriminating against them because of where they live or how they were conceived is the truly backwards society.

 

[MorningDance13]

A woman has the right to not want any child if she was raped ! what you do is act on this issue directly, their is a Pill you can take to stop such taking place. It would be stupid not to ! A woman forced to have a child from a rape is very cruel.

Just as a woman is to old to truly have a child, they have that right but to act directly to stop such is the key !

A woman has the right to abort a spastic or etc child.

If the womans life is in danger, she has that right to abort.

No back yard abortions, you can not have such as that, for that would be a outright backwards society !

Oh and by the way you're not making any sense at all!
A backyard abortion among other things is an abortion where a medical doctor does not personally examine a woman before during and after the procedure which is exactly what happens in the overwhelming majority of instances when the pills are prescribed to murder her child.
You claim you are against backyard abortions and yet you are promoting 'a pill' that is in fact a backyard abortion.
That's true hypocrisy.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

If women have the right to choose what they do when they get pregnant do they not also have the right to not be called stupid for what they choose to do?
It is hateful, close-minded, and intolerant to say that women and girls who want to keep their children alive are stupid.
It definitely is not respecting their right to choose.

The pills that 'stop a pregnancy' simultaneously stop the life of a living human person from continuing.

Murdering living human persons because you are discriminating against them because of where they live or how they were conceived is the truly backwards society.

How old are you ?

Stupid is as Stupid does in fact !

Can you choose to drive a 100MPH around Town streets ? postered at 35MPH and not upset others or would one say that such a one clearly has no regard for others ?

The day after Pill ? i believe is about ! so you get rapped and go report such and bingo you have a choise 1hour etc after being rapped , smart move to prevent such problems, is it not ! one would be a moron not to in fact !

It's not like a 3 to 6 month old plus in the womb is it at all !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Oh and by the way you're not making any sense at all!
A backyard abortion among other things is an abortion where a medical doctor does not personally examine a woman before during and after the procedure which is exactly what happens in the overwhelming majority of instances when the pills are prescribed to murder her child.
You claim you are against backyard abortions and yet you are promoting 'a pill' that is in fact a backyard abortion.
That's true hypocrisy.

Also it's not one pill it's two

Your a hero !

I am talking about rape case etc and you choice directly not down the track nonsense at all !

But i am against the old back yard job nonsense that took place because of stupid idiot Laws that were in place years ago ! Such was worse then the idiot Law.
The Law was a criminal act against women, that forced such a stupid act to have stupid back yard abortion and i have always been against that stupid Law !

But you know what they real problem with the lefty's is that they have no regards at all to abortion ! it's a free for all ! and Trump had to make a call, because the total Morons went way to far and changed the Abortion Laws time limit to 9 months ! that's why he had to call such stupid evil people out ! but Morons like Kamala just will not talk openly about the issue and just laugh it all off as a great big joke ! It's another free for all backward low life skumbag rights thing with no morals at all ! Ok i get that their are people like that an ally cat type trash and Socialism will save them, because Socialism has no moral standards in fact esp when it comes to peoples lives regardless, they have a History of just that ! People just disapear ! Don't ask questions or you will as well ! that's what is comming under Socialist !

 

[MorningDance13]

How old are you ?

Stupid is as Stupid does in fact !

Can you choose to drive a 100MPH around Town streets ? postered at 35MPH and not upset others or would one say that such a one clearly has no regard for others ?

The day after Pill ? i believe is about ! so you get rapped and go report such and bingo you have a choise 1hour etc after being rapped , smart move to prevent such problems, is it not ! one would be a moron not to in fact !

It's not like a 3 to 6 month old plus in the womb is it at all !

Human life and personhood begins at conception.
The morning after pill is a murder weapon.

You prove my point.
The overwhelming majority of people claiming to be pro-choice are not pro-choice at all but rather are pro-abortion.

Somebody who is truly pro-choice would not be calling women who choose to have their children pejorative names but rather would respect their right to choose.
If women should have the right to choose to murder their children with impunity then they should have the right to choose to have their children and give them life without being verbally, mentally, and emotionally abused.


Living human persons are not problems.

The so-called morning after pill does not always prevent conception.
Sometimes it prevents a conceived egg from implanting in the uterine wall which is in fact an abortion which is in fact murder which is in fact a violation of Christian principles and beliefs and the antithesis of the teachings of Christ Himself.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Human life and personhood begins at conception.
The morning after pill is a murder weapon.

You prove my point.
The overwhelming majority of people claiming to be pro-choice are not pro-choice at all but rather are pro-abortion.

Somebody who is truly pro-choice would not be calling women who choose to have their children pejorative names but rather would respect their right to choose.
If women should have the right to choose to murder their children with impunity then they should have the right to choose to have their children and give them life without being verbally, mentally, and emotionally abused.


Living human persons are not problems.

The so-called morning after pill does not always prevent conception.
Sometimes it prevents a conceived egg from implanting in the uterine wall which is in fact an abortion which is in fact murder which is in fact a violation of Christian principles and beliefs and the antithesis of the teachings of Christ Himself.

So you want to go back to the 70's do you !

I think that we could advance somewhat !

Global deaths Jan to March 2020
12th on the list was the so called Covid at 35,016 and remember this was the bigest deal ever, like made out to be real serious ! that even the foundations of distruction of an economy was offered up because of this !
But Abortion was 300 times more killed = 10,402,251 ! that's the top of the list world wide in fact ! and it means nothing ?
300 times more likely to be killed by abortion than the deadly serious Covid that everyone was living in total feer from ! it was played out that this was so serious ! If anyone refused such a serious issue you were dealing with a Nazi like Mob in fact !

But in regards to people who have logic and foundations for what we do in a society, we have to have reasonable set standards, we can not just dictate ! as such just does not work, so we have to fined a standard that is worthy of a healthy society ? saying No to idiots and fools who do not have regards to reality. 9 month abortions of a healthy child is a No no ! period ! over a set time is also a No no ! seriously !

Ok you is playing the day after card, good for you ! but we have to deal with reality here ? We do not want coat hanger people doing such at all ! we are not going back to that criminal insanity ! because such is outright stupid on all accounts !
So in reality we have to come to a set standerd that we are dealing with in this era !

I do not support abortion on demand but i do for spastics and such within reason. would you like to be a spastic, one who does not know anyone, have you ever seen such people, my mum and sister worked in such places. I know that my mum loved one and wanted him in our family. A cousin is a spastic, she had him when she was to old ! boy what a job looking after him, he can not even talk, he would bash his mum and dad and they were to old to deal with that ! and i could go on and on with all that Hell !

But the NWO has to reduce the worlds population, that's their mantra in fact ! they claim that we will all die if we do not ! that's why abortion has became their number one ends.

 

[lforrest]

Deuteronomy 30:19 "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live"

 

[ChristinaL]

A woman has the right to not want any child if she was raped ! what you do is act on this issue directly, their is a Pill you can take to stop such taking place. It would be stupid not to ! A woman forced to have a child from a rape is very cruel.

Just as a woman is to old to truly have a child, they have that right but to act directly to stop such is the key !

A woman has the right to abort a spastic or etc child.

If the womans life is in danger, she has that right to abort.

No back yard abortions, you can not have such as that, for that would be a outright backwards society !

EXCUSE ME murderer, but though a woman most surely has the right to reject a child she doesnt want or cant take care of even if she did, what is it with your self-centered one track minds that makes the word ADOPTION go completely out the window? GET A CLUE ALREADY, you people who keep shouting MY BODY! MY BODY! A baby is not your body! And in God's eyes, abortion is murder, period.

You said, If a woman's life in in danger...yada yada....did you not pay attention? When does that ever happen?

Even Joseph, when at first he thought Mary had messed around with another man, he chose not to murder the innocent by following the letter of the Law and having Mary and baby stoned to death. Likewise in a similar fashion a woman can be counseled to keep or adopt out the baby, instead of murdering him for someone else's crime

 

[Grailhunter]

There are probably appropriate reasons for abortion and in-appropriate reasons as well. When the mother's life is at risk for attempting to give birth and complications of child birth are presented by a licensed doctor then hopefully she is given the decision over that issue and how to proceed. There is child and adult rape that is a crime before God. There is also problems with the normal birthing process and there may be other reasons that come up regarding abortions. And I pray God guides them on difficult issues and decisions of which any abortion certainly is.

There are them that have committed abortions and then the possibility of confession and repentance area applies to them. And for those babies lost it is no longer death they suffered afterwards, for God the Father, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Ghost would have surely saved them and are living in Heaven with their Angels. It is then the women that committed abortions if it was inappropriately done, that God loves them and can, if he chooses, guide them forward thru life towards Heaven. Then God would have them join Him in honoring Him and His children and celebrating Him and his children. There is the scripture written that the first two greatest commandments is to love God and then love your brothers and sisters in Christ. How much does God love the sinner? The lost sheep parable and the following posted scripture helps to understand God's love for the sinner:

See the link: Bible Gateway passage: Luke 15 - New King James Version

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

=================================================================================

I saw some troubles in countries and thought I would like to address what I feel might be a good approach to leading people away from having inappropriate abortions. I did some internet research and found some reports from areas of studies that may have suggested that there were post and pre birth abortions going on. Which means that they are a very serious issue.

So what kind of approach could a good Christian take to address this issue. Well there is the dark problem approach of what I said above which might be helpful for the Christians to understand the problem. But might not be helpful for others considering abortion.

There is also a light approach to healing the nations from the problem of inappropriate abortions. How are women being lead to abort their babies in inappropriate conditons? There are areas in life we all must encounter. And we must decide what we will be part of and what we like about life and ourselves. As a prodigal son myself, I was given happiness from God as an inheritance and learned that I could spend it in different ways and lose that happiness. And I learned thru life that I could be led and also involve myself in actions that cost me my happiness.

The prodigal son parable: Bible Gateway passage: Luke 15:11-32 - New King James Version

Now the youth may be being raised inappropriately by influences in their lives, which can be: Family, Friends, Teachers, Universities educating the Teachers, Social media these days, Movies, Radio, and Countries may try to exert their influence over others countries for various reasons. And there may be more.

The first line of defense for a child welcomed into this life is to have them Baptized and confessing their sins they have committed, Confirmed with the Holy Spirit of God for Guidance and Direction thru life towards a Good and Happy outcome, and the Sacrament of Bread of Wine that represents the Body of Christ and Eternal Life. All of God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost do represent many Living aspects of a heavenly family light leading us while we journey thru this life, in hopes that we will have eternal happiness and be part of the Family of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Heavenly Mother, and the Angels of God.

Matthew 3:5-6 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.

That doesn't mean as some religious organizations teach that one must first repent to be baptized, it states to confess. And to confess we must acknowledge that something is evil that we have done and decide we don't desire to repeat that evil work. And there are some that twist that which is good and evil and go too far or too little in the description of what needs to be accepted as evil committed and confessed of. The bible does spell out what is sin and addresses those issues in the new and old testament.

The second line of defense for a youth is providing a message: Dress modestly as men and women so as to not provoke unnecessary temptations among themselves which would lead to improper behavior when too young for dating and too young for marriage and also after that as a Christian example.

While going thru life as a youth or even after high school and during college and even afterwards, There will be various messages they encounter as they experience the world. And hopefully there is good and virtuous and holy messages they encounter always along the journey of life. Let's face it there are evil and tempting messages that they may be led into which have a darker experiences, and they may decide at some point they no longer desire those unhappy feelings like the prodigal son which might also relate to women.

Some of the good messages we can discuss in this thread. I will come up with some like modest dress, and place them below:

The new testaments address some issues already in the organization of it's early church message which is done by the Apostles and also Jesus the Christ.

Do not submerse yourself in unnecessary temptations. And these temptations may be both brutal and sexual and may appear for the general population of nations in the media and also social interactions. For a biblical discussion of the problems of brutal and sexual areas, there is an interesting read in the book of Jude: Bible Gateway passage: Jude - New King James Version

And if people want to discuss the lighter issues of solutions to the problem women face when encountering ideas of abortion that is what this thread is for. And I like the idea of keeping the good light leading them away from abortions as messages they encounter in areas presented to them in media, social media and social interactions.

Thank You.

Well if a mother aborts her child and both happen to go to Heaven, what do you think they would say to each other.

600,000 babies are murdered every year since 1973, that is 30,000,000 since 1973 and that is only in the US. That number…. the slaughter of innocence….Dwarfs any war or catastrophe in history. And most of it amounts to birth control.

Still common since applies….Of course you will not find any of that in politics….Only allowing abortions in hospitals would “fix” most of the problems. Letting a doctor define the risk in those very few cases would work. Same goes for rape….in the hospital the pregnancy can be terminated in the hospital within hours or days of the event.

 

[MorningDance13]

So you want to go back to the 70's do you !

I think that we could advance somewhat !

Global deaths Jan to March 2020
12th on the list was the so called Covid at 35,016 and remember this was the bigest deal ever, like made out to be real serious ! that even the foundations of distruction of an economy was offered up because of this !
But Abortion was 300 times more killed = 10,402,251 ! that's the top of the list world wide in fact ! and it means nothing ?
300 times more likely to be killed by abortion than the deadly serious Covid that everyone was living in total feer from ! it was played out that this was so serious ! If anyone refused such a serious issue you were dealing with a Nazi like Mob in fact !

But in regards to people who have logic and foundations for what we do in a society, we have to have reasonable set standards, we can not just dictate ! as such just does not work, so we have to fined a standard that is worthy of a healthy society ? saying No to idiots and fools who do not have regards to reality. 9 month abortions of a healthy child is a No no ! period ! over a set time is also a No no ! seriously ! and anyone who rejects such is a total moron in fact !

Ok you is playing the day after card, good for you ! but we have to deal with reality here ? We do not want coat hanger people doing such at all ! we are not going back to that criminal insanity ! because such is outright stupid on all accounts !
So in reality we have to come to a set standerd that we are dealing with in this era !

I do not support abortion on demand but i do for spastics and such within reason. would you like to be a spastic, one who does not know anyone, have you ever seen such people, my mum and sister worked in such places. I know that my mum loved one and wanted him in our family. A cousin is a spastic, she had him when she was to old ! boy what a job looking after him, he can not even talk, he would bash his mum and dad and they were to old to deal with that ! and i could go on and on with all that Hell !

But the NWO has to reduce the worlds population, that's their mantra in fact ! they claim that we will all die if we do not ! that's why abortion has became their number one ends.

So you want to go back to the 70's do you !

I think that we could advance somewhat !

Global deaths Jan to March 2020
12th on the list was the so called Covid at 35,016 and remember this was the bigest deal ever, like made out to be real serious ! that even the foundations of distruction of an economy was offered up because of this !
But Abortion was 300 times more killed = 10,402,251 ! that's the top of the list world wide in fact ! and it means nothing ?
300 times more likely to be killed by abortion than the deadly serious Covid that everyone was living in total feer from ! it was played out that this was so serious ! If anyone refused such a serious issue you were dealing with a Nazi like Mob in fact !

But in regards to people who have logic and foundations for what we do in a society, we have to have reasonable set standards, we can not just dictate ! as such just does not work, so we have to fined a standard that is worthy of a healthy society ? saying No to idiots and fools who do not have regards to reality. 9 month abortions of a healthy child is a No no ! period ! over a set time is also a No no ! seriously ! and anyone who rejects such is a total moron in fact !

Ok you is playing the day after card, good for you ! but we have to deal with reality here ? We do not want coat hanger people doing such at all ! we are not going back to that criminal insanity ! because such is outright stupid on all accounts !
So in reality we have to come to a set standerd that we are dealing with in this era !

I do not support abortion on demand but i do for spastics and such within reason. would you like to be a spastic, one who does not know anyone, have you ever seen such people, my mum and sister worked in such places. I know that my mum loved one and wanted him in our family. A cousin is a spastic, she had him when she was to old ! boy what a job looking after him, he can not even talk, he would bash his mum and dad and they were to old to deal with that ! and i could go on and on with all that Hell !

But the NWO has to reduce the worlds population, that's their mantra in fact ! they claim that we will all die if we do not ! that's why abortion has became their number one ends.

So by your so-called logic any criminal activity and evil that people are going to do anyway should be legal.
Do you really think that that is in fact logical and intelligent or perhaps THAT is the moronic belief system.

And I absolutely cannot believe that I am seeing such hateful, discriminatory, ableist language in 2024!
You are accusing me of wanting to go back in time and have a negative society where people are not respected and you are actually using the word spastic to refer to a human being created in the image of God almighty?
Are you for real?

And you are actually promoting murdering living human persons who have developmental disabilities because it might be difficult to care for them?
That is sick and evil and absolutely not a Christian principle.
That attitude is in fact the Nazi attitude that some people do not deserve to exist because other people do not like them.

 

[lforrest]

Arizona, Colorado, Maryland and Montana. Passed ballot measures to legalize abortion.

 

[MorningDance13]

That's really too bad however not surprising.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

EXCUSE ME murderer, but though a woman most surely has the right to reject a child she doesnt want or cant take care of even if she did, what is it with your self-centered one track minds that makes the word ADOPTION go completely out the window? GET A CLUE ALREADY, you people who keep shouting MY BODY! MY BODY! A baby is not your body! And in God's eyes, abortion is murder, period.

You said, If a woman's life in in danger...yada yada....did you not pay attention? When does that ever happen?

Even Joseph, when at first he thought Mary had messed around with another man, he chose not to murder the innocent by following the letter of the Law and having Mary and baby stoned to death. Likewise in a similar fashion a woman can be counseled to keep or adopt out the baby, instead of murdering him for someone else's crime

Are you talking to me ?
Did i say I was against Adoption. I am for adoption.

With my mother with her last child she was having, she would of died, she was to old and not of good health so she was in danger of her life. fool !

I do not support Abortion at all in regards that the Socialist demand ! a free for all regardless Satanic moronic backward trash people.

I am not so stupid to be locked back in the 1970's and before that, with the back yard coat hangers being adopted by morons because of moronic Laws ! I do not want that 3rd rate garbage for anyone at all !

But what i have to stand up against is Morons who demand or think they are free to kill a baby in the womb for no good reason at all.

So i do not support Abortion ! but if that is the path that one is going to take ? and remember I can not dictate to anyone in such a regard ? It's my own opinion ! that i do not support Abortion ! but you have to understand that a lot of people are supportive of Abortions ?
So I have to stand up and try and point out, that if such is going to take place ? that it be done within reason ! Not a free for all as the Socialist demand at all ! that's the issue in fact !

I know such will take place regardless of a Law saying No !
So then we have a right to act with some reasonable solution, so things are not just a Dog fight ! or 3rd rate backward back yard jobs taking place.

I could be a stupid idiot with no regards to reality of this world and say No to Abortion, period ! and just stick my head in the sand ! in denial ! thinking it will all just go away ! being self rightious ignorant twit ! With a I am right and they are wrong trip ? but i am looking at the bigger picture in fact !

I had of late a 18yo girl who was doing it with a mate son, She was a shocker ! she was so nasty to the boy, she was making demands on him to do it, he was a virgin the day before i came to see my mate. then i heard her say to the boys sister, if it came to such that she would just have an abortion ! simple as that ! just as if such was not even an issue ! they broke up 2 weeks later. because he was not man enough, said he was just a boy ! he was 19yo.
She liked me and said to the sister, that she would want me ? I heard it as it was within ear shot and then she came to me and asked if i was Married. ok she left at that, at least she had that as a value ?

So what is going on with such young girls nowadays, they are so messed up !
I blame the Satanic Socialist Governments and the School system and the Media for creating such idiots ! They are forcing this nonsense on the young kids ! How many girls are having sex at 14yo ! it's everywhere in droves and mothers of such girls back them up !

My brother and other mates have said in regards young girls, not their own but girl friends 14yo kid having sex in their house, is a no no ! They all got shouted down !
The Kids had run of the House ! and the Man of the house undermined 24/7 untill they broke up ! everytime !

Such young girls making claimes of rape at the drop of a hat as well, for they can say anything, just make up total BS story and could not give a rats ! as everything is all just a Joke ! because it's all about them ! and what they want period !
That boy had some trash girl claim he raped her a year before or so, it was all BS his mum said ! and that this nonsense is comon games played ! just for revenge, they are that stupid ! and the Governments feed on it ! they creat such ! to make idiot Laws !

All of the men have said that 14yo girls are to immature to have such responsability, so they do not want such going on !

So what is the Key to such problems ? well it's not a free for all approch i am sure that the Socialis push ! and it's not the old days that were the Key, for they just stuck their head in the sand when it came to the crunch ? that's that issue !

We have people who are not responsible ! and they demand that their actions are fine regardless.

So by your so-called logic any criminal activity and evil that people are going to do anyway should be legal.
Do you really think that that is in fact logical and intelligent or perhaps THAT is the moronic belief system.

And I absolutely cannot believe that I am seeing such hateful, discriminatory, ableist language in 2024!
You are accusing me of wanting to go back in time and have a negative society where people are not respected and you are actually using the word spastic to refer to a human being created in the image of God almighty?
Are you for real?

And you are actually promoting murdering living human persons who have developmental disabilities because it might be difficult to care for them?
That is sick and evil and absolutely not a Christian principle.
That attitude is in fact the Nazi attitude that some people do not deserve to exist because other people do not like them.

I said nothing of you !
I am on about the situation !

I never was on about making anything legal, just that reality is the Truth and the Truth is the correct way to deal with things in reality, stuck up people can make claimes about anything, they sent their daughters out for a coat hanger back yard job, so as to save face regarding themselves in fact ! yes religious idiots !
They were to stuck up to face reality in fact ! and that's the problem regardless facts are facts, you deal with the lowest denominator nowadays and we see it day in day out ! some see it much more than others in fact, like the Police are confronted with such full on !

The foundations of bring up a child is so that child can stand on it's own two feet and deal with this world in fact ! or one will fail ! unless a Government etc can help you out ? but what happens if the Government goes bankrupt ? like Germany did before Hitler ? It became Sink or Swim in fact ! that was the reality in fact ! because people had 200% inflation in fact, that is what fools do not understand, because they are totaly ignorant of the facts !

They think that a safty net will always catch them for all of their stupidity in fact !
That's why you have so many idiots who will try taking drugs in fact ! that's the Key to their ignorance, they believe they will have a safety net in fact ! so they try it ! They are Fools !

It's The same with idots who have children with no regards at all ! I have talked with such morons and said if you have children, it's up to you to support them all period ! But i got back, No ! I can have as many children as i want !

That means that such a one is a moron in fact, because would you give such a low life a licance to drive a car, if thats the scope of such a ones responcibility ! They are clearly not worthy to hold a possition in a socity that will progress to in the light of God in fact ! for if they do claim of a God ? it's only a god or god's in fact they they play musical chairs with in fact.

God does look down on one for being a Goose ! that's a fact ! It's up to One to do the right thing, it comes down to each person ! Period ! not to be just a slob and pushing others to be a sob as well ! That is just only religious dribble and even Atheist are religious regardless what they claim in fact !
Religion does not serve God that's clear !

You claiming that i am promoting such as you put forward ? fact is i am not ! I am on about the preventing such in fact.

A word if it fits and is true, is just that in fact, so why do you peddle hide from the truth ? i know religious fools have gods and they put things in boxes and cover them up in the name of their gods ? They have such stupid idiot gods ! that they idolise in fact, only to save fact in fact with others ? but will that crap work with God ! it will not in fact, for such a one is not serving God at all, but the nosense of this world that is Lost to deceptions and delusions in fact, if you were to believe in Jesus, you would come to respect him !

All people can have disabillitys, no one is perfict, a worthy Christian has Grace ! so you can deal with such !
But one has to draw the line at some things, do you for your god force one to live when they are going to die a shocking death ? as if it was your worse enemy and you just want to see them endure as much pain and humiliation as you can force apon them ?
Like would you treat your own dog like that ? keep it alive only for your own ego and outright ignorance, serving some idiot ego god.

Like i said my mum and sister worked with the worse of the worse, it's not fun ! my mum ended up in the nut house for a time because such eats away at one and my sister had to give it away, they tell me the storys of what truly goes on ! would you know that ? or are you just another sitting off a far in ignorance !

Some one has to say it ? i am sorry but it's the truth.

We can have hope of dealing with situations, like we have police serving for issues that are in fact for a good reason. or it will become a wild free for all backward hell hole.

 

[MorningDance13]

Are you talking to me ?
Did i say I was against Adoption. I am for adoption.

With my mother with her last child she was having, she would of died, she was to old and not of good health so she was in danger of her life. fool !

I do not support Abortion at all in regards that the Socialist demand ! a free for all regardless Satanic moronic backward trash people.

I am not so stupid to be locked back in the 1970's and before that, with the back yard coat hangers being adopted by morons because of moronic Laws ! I do not want that 3rd rate garbage for anyone at all !

But what i have to stand up against is Morons who demand or think they are free to kill a baby in the womb for no good reason at all.

So i do not support Abortion ! but if that is the path that one is going to take ? and remember I can not dictate to anyone in such a regard ? It's my own opinion ! that i do not support Abortion ! but you have to understand that a lot of people are supportive of Abortions ?
So I have to stand up and try and point out, that if such is going to take place ? that it be done within reason ! Not a free for all as the Socialist demand at all ! that's the issue in fact !

I know such will take place regardless of a Law saying No !
So then we have a right to act with some reasonable solution, so things are not just a Dog fight ! or 3rd rate backward back yard jobs taking place.

I could be a stupid idiot with no regards to reality of this world and say No to Abortion, period ! and just stick my head in the sand ! in denial ! thinking it will all just go away ! being self rightious ignorant twit ! With a I am right and they are wrong trip ? but i am looking at the bigger picture in fact !

I had of late a 18yo girl who was doing it with a mate son, She was a shocker ! she was so nasty to the boy, she was making demands on him to do it, he was a virgin the day before i came to see my mate. then i heard her say to the boys sister, if it came to such that she would just have an abortion ! simple as that ! just as if such was not even an issue ! they broke up 2 weeks later. because he was not man enough, said he was just a boy ! he was 19yo.
She liked me and said to the sister, that she would want me ? I heard it as it was within ear shot and then she came to me and asked if i was Married. ok she left at that, at least she had that as a value ?

So what is going on with such young girls nowadays, they are so messed up !
I blame the Satanic Socialist Governments and the School system and the Media for creating such idiots ! They are forcing this nonsense on the young kids ! How many girls are having sex at 14yo ! it's everywhere in droves and mothers of such girls back them up !

My brother and other mates have said in regards young girls, not their own but girl friends 14yo kid having sex in their house, is a no no ! They all got shouted down !
The Kids had run of the House ! and the Man of the house undermined 24/7 untill they broke up ! everytime !

Such young girls making claimes of rape at the drop of a hat as well, for they can say anything, just make up total BS story and could not give a rats ! as everything is all just a Joke ! because it's all about them ! and what they want period !
That boy had some trash girl claim he raped her a year before or so, it was all BS his mum said ! and that this nonsense is comon games played ! just for revenge, they are that stupid ! and the Governments feed on it ! they creat such ! to make idiot Laws !

All of the men have said that 14yo girls are to immature to have such responsability, so they do not want such going on !

So what is the Key to such problems ? well it's not a free for all approch i am sure that the Socialis push ! and it's not the old days that were the Key, for they just stuck their head in the sand when it came to the crunch ? that's that issue !

We have people who are not responsible ! and they demand that their actions are fine regardless.

I said nothing of you !
I am on about the situation !

I never was on about making anything legal, just that reality is the Truth and the Truth is the correct way to deal with things in reality, stuck up people can make claimes about anything, they sent their daughters out for a coat hanger back yard job, so as to save face regarding themselves in fact ! yes religious idiots !
They were to stuck up to face reality in fact ! and that's the problem regardless facts are facts, you deal with the lowest denominator nowadays and we see it day in day out ! some see it much more than others in fact, like the Police are confronted with such full on !

The foundations of bring up a child is so that child can stand on it's own two feet and deal with this world in fact ! or one will fail ! unless a Government etc can help you out ? but what happens if the Government goes bankrupt ? like Germany did before Hitler ? It became Sink or Swim in fact ! that was the reality in fact ! because people had 200% inflation in fact, that is what fools do not understand, because they are totaly ignorant of the facts !

They think that a safty net will always catch them for all of their stupidity in fact !
That's why you have so many idiots who will try taking drugs in fact ! that's the Key to their ignorance, they believe they will have a safety net in fact ! so they try it ! They are Fools !

It's The same with idots who have children with no regards at all ! I have talked with such morons and said if you have children, it's up to you to support them all period ! But i got back, No ! I can have as many children as i want !

That means that such a one is a moron in fact, because would you give such a low life a licance to drive a car, if thats the scope of such a ones responcibility ! They are clearly not worthy to hold a possition in a socity that will progress to in the light of God in fact ! for if they do claim of a God ? it's only a god or god's in fact they they play musical chairs with in fact.

God does look down on one for being a Goose ! that's a fact ! It's up to One to do the right thing, it comes down to each person ! Period ! not to be just a slob and pushing others to be a sob as well ! That is just only religious dribble and even Atheist are religious regardless what they claim in fact !
Religion does not serve God that's clear !

You claiming that i am promoting such as you put forward ? fact is i am not ! I am on about the preventing such in fact.

A word if it fits and is true, is just that in fact, so why do you peddle hide from the truth ? i know religious fools have gods and they put things in boxes and cover them up in the name of their gods ? They have such stupid idiot gods ! that they idolise in fact, only to save fact in fact with others ? but will that crap work with God ! it will not in fact, for such a one is not serving God at all, but the nosense of this world that is Lost to deceptions and delusions in fact, if you were to believe in Jesus, you would come to respect him !

All people can have disabillitys, no one is perfict, a worthy Christian has Grace ! so you can deal with such !
But one has to draw the line at some things, do you for your god force one to live when they are going to die a shocking death ? as if it was your worse enemy and you just want to see them endure as much pain and humiliation as you can force apon them ?
Like would you treat your own dog like that ? keep it alive only for your own ego and outright ignorance, serving some idiot ego god.

Like i said my mum and sister worked with the worse of the worse, it's not fun ! my mum ended up in the nut house for a time because such eats away at one and my sister had to give it away, they tell me the storys of what truly goes on ! would you know that ? or are you just another sitting off a far in ignorance !

Some one has to say it ? i am sorry but it's the truth.

We can have hope of dealing with situations, like we have police serving for issues that are in fact for a good reason. or it will become a wild free for all backward hell hole.

It already is a wild free-for-all and a backward hellhole.
And the reason it got to this place is because of what you are promoting in all of your comments -- legalize and normalize abortion early in the pregnancy and pretend that it's okay to murder living human persons at a certain point in their lives.
You have been saying that that is what needs to be done but that was already done and because that was done we are now at the point of abortion on demand for any reason.
This is why it has to be illegal to murder living human persons in the womb from the very start of the pregnancy/conception.
And technically it's not a religious thing first and foremost but rather it's a human rights issue.
Science and biology have proven that human life begins at conception.
It is simply not okay to stop a human life no matter how new it is.