live in shame or die honorably?

[DPMartin]

why live in shame or die honorably?
why should living be made to be shame, and death be honorable, no matter what the circumstance?

 

[lforrest]

Yea, its strange. To live is to suffer, and to suffer as christ did is honor.

But I suppose you refer to eastern concepts of honor. I mostly consider it a means of maintaining social order.

 

[Willie T]

I think it involves Pride situations. If you will notice, most of the more negative aspects of societal interaction and organizations in America have the word (or at least, the 'concept') of "Pride" associated with them.

 

[Windmillcharge]

why live in shame or die honorably?
why should living be made to be shame, and death be honorable, no matter what the circumstance?

It depends who and when you are referring to.
Honour is a mixture of public regard for a person or a family about how they are seen to behave.
In ancient societies that regard literally could mean life or death, as to have been seen to have lost ones 'honour' meant exclusion from society. Death was preferred to that and was seen as a way of the family regaining 'honour'

Because this 'honour' is how one was/is seen, it means that so long as one is not discovered doing wrong, anything goes.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Someone call me?

 

[Willie T]

It depends who and when you are referring to.
Honour is a mixture of public regard for a person or a family about how they are seen to behave.
In ancient societies that regard literally could mean life or death, as to have been seen to have lost ones 'honour' meant exclusion from society. Death was preferred to that and was seen as a way of the family regaining 'honour'

Because this 'honour' is how one was/is seen, it means that so long as one is not discovered doing wrong, anything goes.

It seems amazing that they don't even see their own hypocrisy.

 

[Stranger]

why live in shame or die honorably?
why should living be made to be shame, and death be honorable, no matter what the circumstance?

I do not understand what you are asking. Explain.

Stranger

 

[DPMartin]

I do not understand what you are asking. Explain.

Stranger

no

 

[DPMartin]

Yea, its strange. To live is to suffer, and to suffer as christ did is honor.

But I suppose you refer to eastern concepts of honor. I mostly consider it a means of maintaining social order.

thing is, it seems you try to categorize. its a simple in general concept promoted by societies everywhere. and Jesus suffered the death of a criminal in shame in the views of the societies that accused, and crucified Him.


I'm talking about:
why live in shame or die honorably?
why should living be made to be shame, and death be honorable, no matter what the circumstance?

in truth, there's no shame in any other flesh to do what is necessary to remain alive.

 

[DPMartin]

I think it involves Pride situations. If you will notice, most of the more negative aspects of societal interaction and organizations in America have the word (or at least, the 'concept') of "Pride" associated with them.

American use of language is no standard at all. biblically pride means what it means (that God hates) and "modern societies" have "redefined" that. like they have "redefined" what a marriage should be.


and how the heck does pride have anything to do with:
why live in shame or die honorably?
why should living be made to be shame, and death be honorable, no matter what the circumstance?

 

[DPMartin]

It depends who and when you are referring to.
Honour is a mixture of public regard for a person or a family about how they are seen to behave.
In ancient societies that regard literally could mean life or death, as to have been seen to have lost ones 'honour' meant exclusion from society. Death was preferred to that and was seen as a way of the family regaining 'honour'

Because this 'honour' is how one was/is seen, it means that so long as one is not discovered doing wrong, anything goes.

valuing how one is perceived by those around them may have something to do with it but there's no shame in any other flesh to do what is necessary to remain alive. so why is shame and or honor perceived at all?

 

[Stranger]

no

Well, if you don't know what you are talking about, neither will anyone else.

Stranger

 

[DPMartin]

Well, if you don't know what you are talking about, neither will anyone else.

Stranger

what a stroke of genius, are you really that smart?


anyway:
why live in shame or die honorably?
why should living be made to be shame, and death be honorable, no matter what the circumstance?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

what a stroke of genius, are you really that smart?


anyway:
why live in shame or die honorably?
why should living be made to be shame, and death be honorable, no matter what the circumstance?

Who says that?
The US Military?
And every church that puts this country in front of their own Christianity?
It's called brain washing.

 

[kit]

I dont understand what this thread is about?

 

[Stranger]

what a stroke of genius, are you really that smart?


anyway:
why live in shame or die honorably?
why should living be made to be shame, and death be honorable, no matter what the circumstance?

Living is not made to be shame no matter the circumstance. Death is not honorable no matter the circumstance.

One can live in shame if he does shameful deeds. But if he doesn't, then he doesn't live in shame. Thus living is not made to be shame.

One can die an honorable death. But he can also die a dishonorable death. Thus death is not honorable no matter the circumstance.

You see, your questions are wrong from the start. Make no sense.

Stranger

 

[Windmillcharge]

It seems amazing that they don't even see their own hypocrisy.

They don't see it as hypocrisy. They are operating in a system where the only real rule is, 'don't get found out.'

 

[Windmillcharge]

valuing how one is perceived by those around them may have something to do with it but there's no shame in any other flesh to do what is necessary to remain alive. so why is shame and or honor perceived at all?

It is also how one perceives ones self and ones relationship to others in the same honour based community.

Most people in these communities are not subsitence farmers but the nobility and those aspiring to belong to the nobility.

 

[DPMartin]

It is also how one perceives ones self and ones relationship to others in the same honour based community.

Most people in these communities are not subsitence farmers but the nobility and those aspiring to belong to the nobility.

it seems you are thinking of the results of shame and honor rather than why live in shame or die honorably? or why should living be made to be shame, and death be honorable, no matter what the circumstance? one is taught by those they coexist with honor is better then shame, but there's no shame in any other flesh, to do what is necessary to remain alive

 

[DPMartin]

Living is not made to be shame no matter the circumstance. Death is not honorable no matter the circumstance.

One can live in shame if he does shameful deeds. But if he doesn't, then he doesn't live in shame. Thus living is not made to be shame.

One can die an honorable death. But he can also die a dishonorable death. Thus death is not honorable no matter the circumstance.

You see, your questions are wrong from the start. Make no sense.

Stranger

no I don't see, how can there be honor in death when there's no shame in any other flesh to do what is necessary to remain alive no matter the circumstances?