Lucifer and Satan

[John Stefan]

What connection is there between lucifer and Satan? Is lucifer a star or the devil himself? And does Satan rule Hell indeed as some churches say? I await some replies



kind regards John Stefan

 

[Mugre Pinzon]

lucifer, satan, the devil, the prince of the air are one in the same.

satan won't be ruling anything during the eternal state, and during the Millennial Reign of Christ satan will be bound up in chains. Satan will be loosed towards the end of the Millennium Reign where he will have his last hurrah, which will be short lived.

 

[dev553344]

Lucifer is Satan.

 

[Titus]

What connection is there between lucifer and Satan? Is lucifer a star or the devil himself? And does Satan rule Hell indeed as some churches say? I await some replies



kind regards John Stefan

It's funny to me when the church of satan refer to satan as Lucifer. Since Lucifer is not satan at all but the ruler of Babylon, who is nothing but a man.

Isaiah 14:12-16-17.
-16 Those who see you will gaze at you, and consider you, saying: is this man who made the earth tremble, who shook the kingdoms, Who made the world as a wilderness and destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?

Lucifer is called God by the ignorant satanists, who show their ignorance in all their songs and writing's about Lucifer. Not knowing who their god is.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

Contrary to what Catholicism and Protestantism teach, Satan rules this world, not "Hell". "Hell" as Orthodox Christianity understands it doesn't exist. The Bible teaches that hell(or "Sheol", as the OT calls it" is the grave, and that the condemned will be completely destroyed in the lake of fire.

Protestants and Catholics tend to gloss over passages like Jhn 12:31, 14:30, and 16:11 where Jesus calls him the ruler of this world. They also gloss over Luk. 4:6 where Satan tells Jesus that God gave him authority over this world and that all of the kingdoms in this world were his to give away as he pleased.

 

[Davy]

Contrary to what Catholicism and Protestantism teach, Satan rules this world, not "Hell". "Hell" as Orthodox Christianity understands it doesn't exist. The Bible teaches that hell(or "Sheol", as the OT calls it" is the grave, and that the condemned will be completely destroyed in the lake of fire.

@John Stefan , That above is a doctrine from Judaism and the Jews, not Christianity.

The Jews still believe that when we die, our soul sleeps in the ground with our flesh, and then both are raised at the resurrection. That idea comes from the Old Testament thinking. Those are not familiar with what The New Testament teaches about this, and are stuck on old Jewish traditions.


The New Testament teaches that the abode of the wicked in the heavenly dimension, called haides in the Greek NT texts, is indeed about a literal place of holding for the wicked. In Luke 16 Lord Jesus gave an example of it about where the "rich man" was taken after he died. Jesus described that there is a great gulf fixed border between hell (haides) and the other side where the poor beggar Lazarus went to in the bosom of Abraham.

The word "hell" in the KJV Bible is different Greek words in the manuscripts, so one must go to a Greek Lexicon like a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, to find which place is being pointing to. Greek haides is pointing to the holding place of the wicked in the heavenly dimension, like where the rich man of Luke 16 was. Greek geena is another translation that means something different; it comes from the Hebrew Valley of Hinnom, which was a perpetual burning garbage pit outside the walls of Jerusalem. Lord Jesus used it to point to the future "lake of fire" destruction, like in Matthew 5:29.

Still another version of 'hell' is in 2 Peter 2:4 about the fallen angels that rebelled, how they are cast to Greek tartaroo (from Greek Tartaros, put for the deepest part of the abyss of Hades).

 

[FHII]

Contrary to what Catholicism and Protestantism teach, Satan rules this world, not "Hell". "Hell" as Orthodox Christianity understands it doesn't exist. The Bible teaches that hell(or "Sheol", as the OT calls it" is the grave, and that the condemned will be completely destroyed in the lake of fire.

Protestants and Catholics tend to gloss over passages like Jhn 12:31, 14:30, and 16:11 where Jesus calls him the ruler of this world. They also gloss over Luk. 4:6 where Satan tells Jesus that God gave him authority over this world and that all of the kingdoms in this world were his to give away as he pleased.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, Desire, because I do believe Satan (who is NOT Lucifer, by the way) has dominion on Earth. But I would like your thoughts on this verse:

Revelation 1:5 KJV
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[Davy]

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, Desire, because I do believe Satan (who is NOT Lucifer, by the way) has dominion on Earth. But I would like your thoughts on this verse:

Revelation 1:5 KJV
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

The word 'Lucifer' is actually not in the Hebrew texts of Isaiah 14. The KJV translators added it, but... they put an alternate reading in the margin of their 1st edition KJV, that read 'O Day Starre'.

The actual Hebrew in the manuscripts of Isaiah 14:12 is 'morning star' (heylel). But it's obvious why the KJV translators put "Lucifer" instead, because they wanted to make sure brethren understood that God was actually talking about the devil himself.

Thus Lucifer is... just another title for Satan, the devil, that old serpent, the son of perdition. Satan has many titles.

The occultists who claim to believe on Lucifer as if he were not the devil, are simply deceived by the devil's own servants. And in Isaiah 14:12, God is only repeating what Satan says about himself, with him falsely claiming ... to be The Morning Star (Jesus Christ). Nor are there two Morning Stars either like some have fallen into falseness. There is only ONE Morning Star, and it is Jesus Christ per Revelation 22.

 

[Titus]

The whole context of Isaiah 14:4-12-20 depicts the overthrow of Babylon. The king of Babylon is pictured symbolically as a predominant bright star. But he is to be destroyed.

Lucifer is not satan but the king of the wicked nation Babylon.

Isaiah 13-23 is a section of the book in which oracles of judgement are pronounced against individual nations. Chapter 13 and most of chapter 14 describe the fall of Babylon.

We consider Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O day star("Lucifer" KJV) son of the mourning ".

"Lucifer" is from a Latin word meaning "light bearer" and refers to the planet Venus appearing in the evening and the mourning, which is the brightest object in the sky except for the sun and moon(Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible, Vol. 2, p. 1360).

The Hebrew expression was apparently applied to satan by Tertullian and Origin. The one who popularized "Lucifer" as the name for satan, was probably John Milton in Paradise Lost.

As Babylon was an astrological nation, it would be appropriate that the mourning star ("Lucifer") would be used as a symbol of her power and would be applied to her king. However, some ignore this context and interpret this passage to mean the fail of satan and his angels from heaven.

Connecting it to Luke 10:18 and Revelation 12:7-13. In Luke 10:18 Jesus foresaw His victory over satan.
The verse does not say that satan fell from heaven, but it says that Jesus saw satan fallen "as lightning from heaven". Because the demons were subject to the seventy in Christ's name, Jesus could see the defeat of satan. satan's defeat would be "as lightning from heaven" --sudden and fast (see Hebrews 2:14).

If satan had been cast out of heaven at some time in the past, this particular verse does not teach it!
Jesus was referring to the future and He was not relating to the past in Luke 10:18.