Mary Seemed Without Family

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Mary - Why did not the Lord's brother's take her? She seemed without family... I would imagine Joseph long ago passed away and the Lord's half brothers may not have been blood kin at all.

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. - John 19
 

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Acts 1:13-14
13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
 

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In the passages I posted above, Mary is mentioned separately with those who she was with .... Jesus' brethren (brothers).
 

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Mary - Why did not the Lord's brother's take her? She seemed without family... I would imagine Joseph long ago passed away and the Lord's half brothers may not have been blood kin at all.

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. - John 19
I had the question myself also. Especially, knowing that Paul taught that you are worse then an unbeliever if you don't take care of your own family.. 1 Timothy 5:8
So why did Jesus ask John?
A reply I received once was -" the family did not yet believe in Him."
That might be why.. !
but what about once they did come to believe in Him? It says that Mary remained with John.

So I don't know why she did other than it was the Lord's command-- ?
I was told once that word used in Greek means both cousin and brother.
BUT Paul used the word for cousin in Colossians 4:10--- anepsios
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Aristarchus, my fellow prisoner, sends you his greetings; and also Barnabas’s cousin Mark (about whom you received instructions; if he comes to you, welcome him);

IN Acts 1:14 the word is
adelphois for brother.
It is also the same word used for non-biological "brothers" in Christ..


In the end---
If Mary had other children or not what difference would it make anyway? If they were Joseph's children would it matter? If they were cousins would it matter? Half siblings? I don't see how it makes a difference overall to anything I believe. Do you?
 

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Wondering, though, if Mary remained an actual virgin.
 

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Wondering, though, if Mary remained an actual virgin.
Yeah, I get it.
I don't think so, personally. I think the reason John took Mary in was due to Jesus' command and that her other children did not believe He was God's Son yet. It is the only thing that makes any sense.

If there was no word for cousin that was different from brother-- there could be a cause to wonder but-- Paul used it.
That leaves only that they did not believe in Him yet- and we know that to be true.
 
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Wondering, though, if Mary remained an actual virgin.
Nope ...if that was the case, the scripture below wouldn't have used the word "till."

Matthew 1:25
“And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.”

This verse gives a clear timespan of her virginity. Joseph waited until Jesus' birth to "know" his wife, Mary.

Furthermore, Jesus is called her firstborn son. Again, this indicates Jesus was the first of her children. It doesn't say He was her "only son" or any such thing.
 
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That might explain why Joseph was no longer around, and why Jesus came down hard on divorce.
It's dangerous to go on assumptions rather than looking at exactly what the Word of God says.
 
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Yeah, I get it.
I don't think so, personally. I think the reason John took Mary in was due to Jesus' command and that her other children did not believe He was God's Son yet. It is the only thing that makes any sense.

If there was no word for cousin that was different from brother-- there could be a cause to wonder but-- Paul used it.
That leaves only that they did not believe in Him yet- and we know that to be true.
Agreed ....

Mark 6:4
“But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
 

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Mary - Why did not the Lord's brother's take her? She seemed without family... I would imagine Joseph long ago passed away and the Lord's half brothers may not have been blood kin at all.

I would say, it was clearly noted the close love and respect John and Jesus shared for each other. I see it being an honor for John to be selected to Care for Mary and a high honor and comfort for Mary.

A similitude of a Son giving the best he can …
Wealth, property, possessions, Jesus had none…but a close faithful reliable servant and trusted brethren he had in John.

Glory to God,
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That might explain why Joseph was no longer around, and why Jesus came down hard on divorce.
You're floating the possibility that Joseph left Mary? Divorced her? Even after the Lord appeared to him in a dream (Matthew 1:20, 2:13, and possibly 2:19) and Joseph obeyed? Obviously Joseph knew the Lord and was faithful, and that's all we know about Joseph, really. Joseph probably died not long after Jesus was born, probably shortly after He turned 12 and was teaching in the synagogue, Joseph would probably have been around 40 then, and that's about how long folks lived in those days. But... we don't know.

Grace and peace to you.
 

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Possibility 1- John was the oldest
Possibility 2 - John was most trusted
Possibility 3 - Jesus's half brothers were not trustworthy and lack of belief.
Possibility 4 - John was wealthy and was able to provide best.
 
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John is generally considered the youngest of the twelve apostles, often believed to be a teenager or in his early twenties when he began following Jesus. He was the son of Zebedee and Salome, brother to James, and is known in the New Testament as the "Beloved Disciple"I believe Peter was considered the oldest of the Apostles.
 

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John is generally considered the youngest of the twelve apostles, often believed to be a teenager or in his early twenties when he began following Jesus. He was the son of Zebedee and Salome, brother to James, and is known in the New Testament as the "Beloved Disciple"I believe Peter was considered the oldest of the Apostles.
Not in the bible.
 

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According to tradition, Saint John the Apostle lived to be approximately
90 to100years old. He is believed to have died around 100 AD in Ephesus (modern-day Turkey), making him the only one of the twelve apostles to die of natural causes rather than martyrdom. Some traditions or interpretations suggest he was over 100 or even in his mid-90s when he died, often identifying him as a very old man during his final years.Its not in the bible that he was the oldest either.
  • Age and Timeline: Born around 6 AD, he was likely in his teens or early 20s when he began following Jesus.
  • Final Years: He outlived the other apostles, surviving into the final decade of the first century.
  • Ministry: He was exiled to the island of Patmos by Roman authorities before later returning to Ephesus, where he passed away
 
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Mary - Why did not the Lord's brother's take her? She seemed without family... I would imagine Joseph long ago passed away and the Lord's half brothers may not have been blood kin at all.

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. - John 19
We know that John outlasted the other apostles. It may well have been a mercy for her to ensure she was cared for through her life.
 

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If we are thinking along kinsman redeemer lines... we have no idea if Joseph had any brothers. Not sure why anybody is even discussing this.
 

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Mary - Why did not the Lord's brother's take her? She seemed without family... I would imagine Joseph long ago passed away and the Lord's half brothers may not have been blood kin at all.

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. - John 19

Jesus entrusting His Mother to an apostle does not imply the absence of other living relatives; in fact, Mary of Clopas/Cleophas—His Mother’s sister-in-law—was present at the Cross (John 19:25). The act carries theological and symbolic weight, and when the broader evidence is considered—especially the identity of Jesus’s adelphoi—it becomes clear that His choice reflects a deeper rationale than mere lack of kin.

1. The Gospel evidence concerning Jesus’s “brothers” (adelphoi)
The Gospels list Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas as Jesus's adelphoi (Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3). Yet several details immediately complicate the assumption that they were biological siblings:
  • These men are never called sons of Joseph.
  • These men are never called sons of Mary.
  • Only Jesus is called "the carpenter’s Son" (Matthew 13:55).
  • Only Jesus is called "the Son of Mary" (Mark 6:3).
  • The Koine Greek word adelphos ("brother" in English) has a broad semantic range: "a brother, near kinsman, or relative, e.g., cousin, nephew, etc.," "a fellow countryman," "a fellow member of the Christian community," or "an associate."
Paul’s reference to James, the Lord’s brother—who was one of the Twelve (Galatians 1:19)—fits this broader usage and aligns with early Christian tradition identifying him not as a biological sibling, but as a close relative. Since among the Twelve only James of Alphaeus had a brother named Judas (Thaddeus), the contextual evidence strongly suggests that this James—the James mentioned in Matthew 13:55, Mark 6:3, and Galatians 1:19—is the same individual.

2. The parents of Jesus's "brothers" (adelphoi)
The Gospels identify Mary—the wife of Clopas/Cleophas—as the mother of James the Less and Joseph, the same individuals listed among Jesus’s adelphoi.
  • Mary Magdalene, Mary (of Clopas/Cleophas) the mother of James (the Less), and Salome (Mark 16:1).
  • Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary (of Clopas/Cleophas) the mother of James (the Less) (Luke 24:10).
  • Mary (of Clopas/Cleophas) the mother of James (the Less) and Joseph (Matthew 27:56).
  • Mary (of Clopas/Cleophas) the mother of James the Younger (the Less) and of Joses (Joseph) (Mark 15:40).
  • His Mother and His Mother’s sister, Mary (the mother of James the Less and Joseph) the wife of Clopas/Cleophas (John 19:25).
Across all four Gospels, only one Mary is ever called the mother of Joseph and James—the same names associated with Jesus’s adelphoi. And John explicitly identifies her as Mary’s “sister”, which, given the improbability of two biological sisters sharing the same name, indicates a sister‑in‑law relationship. Thus, the “brothers” of Jesus are best understood as the sons of Mary of Clopas/Cleophas, His Mother’s sister‑in‑law.

The earliest Christian writers unanimously confirm this identification:
  • Josephus of Jerusalem: Records the martyrdom of “James, the brother of Jesus Who is called Christ" (Antiquitates Iudaicae, via Historia Ecclesiastica II.23.20).
  • Papias of Hierapolis: Mary the wife of Cleophas or Alphaeus (Clopas) was the mother of James the bishop and apostle, Simon, Thaddeus (Judas), and Joseph (Fragments of Papias X).
  • Hegesippus of Jerusalem: Clopas was Joseph’s brother, making his sons Jesus’s cousins; James the brother of the Lord succeeded to the government of the Jerusalem Church and was called the Just; after James’s martyrdom, Symeon (Simon), the son of Clopas, was appointed bishop of Jerusalem because he was a cousin of the Lord and suffered martyrdom under Trajan at the age of 120 (Hypomnemata, via Historia Ecclesiastica II.23; III.32.3, 6)
  • Clement of Alexandria: Distinguishes James the Just, brother of the Lord, from James son of Zebedee and explicitly calls James the Just the bishop of Jerusalem (Hypotyposes, via Historia Ecclesiastica II.1.3-4)
  • Eusebius of Caesarea: James the Just, whom “the ancients surnamed the Just,” was the first bishop of Jerusalem and was called the Lord’s brother because he was known as a son of Joseph; he was also the author of the first of the so‑called catholic epistles, which—though disputed like the Epistle of Jude—were nevertheless “read publicly in very many churches”; Eusebius identifies this James with the one Paul mentions in Galatians 1:19 (“Other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother”); and he records that Symeon (Simon), the son of Clopas and cousin of the Savior, was the second bishop of Jerusalem (Historia Ecclesiastica II.1.2-4; II.23; III.11.2; III.32.1).
  • Jerome of Stridon: Mary of Clopas was the sister of Mary the Lord’s Mother and mother of James the Less (De Viris Illustribus, De Perpetua Uirginitate Beatae Maria).
Across Josephus, Papias, Hegesippus, Clement, Eusebius, and Jerome, the picture is consistent: James the Less—son of Mary of Clopas/Cleophas—James the Just, James the Lord’s brother, and James the bishop of Jerusalem are one and the same person; and he and his siblings Joseph, Simon, and Judas were Jesus’s cousins, not Mary’s sons. The credibility of these witnesses does not depend on trusting any one father: they are independent, geographically diverse, and chronologically separated sources — Josephus in the 1st century, Papias and Hegesippus in the 2nd, Clement in the late 2nd, Eusebius in the early 4th, and Jerome in the late 4th — all preserving the same identification of James. They wrote in different genres, in different languages, for different audiences, yet they agree on the same core facts. Even if someone doubts one father, the interlocking structure of the evidence remains intact — exactly the kind of multi‑source convergence historians look for.

The writings of the early Church Fathers are crucial not because they add to Scripture, but because they preserve the apostolic memory that Scripture itself assumes — the family relationships, household structures, and succession lines that make sense of the New Testament’s references to Jesus’s “brothers,” James’s episcopacy, and the identities of the Twelve.

And Scripture itself corroborates the core elements of this tradition: James is distinguished from the sons of Mary (Matthew 13:55-56), identified as an apostle (Galatians 1:19), placed in authority over the Jerusalem Church (Acts 12:17; 15:13; 21:18), and associated with Joseph’s household rather than Mary’s (Matthew 1:18-25). The patristic witnesses are not inventing a genealogy — they are preserving the only family structure that makes sense of the biblical data.

3. The identity of Jesus's "brothers" (adelphoi)
The combined witness of the Gospels and the early Church Fathers shows that:
  1. Jesus’s “brothers”—Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas—were the sons of Mary of Clopas/Cleophas and her husband Clopas (also called Alphaeus), making them His cousins, not children of Mary.
  2. James and Judas, Jesus’s cousins, were the same individuals as James of Alphaeus and Judas (Thaddeus), apostles among the Twelve.
  3. James, son of Alphaeus and one of the Twelve—also called James the Less, James the Just, the Lord's brother, and the bishop of Jerusalem—is one and the same person, and the author of the Epistle of James.
  4. Judas (Thaddeus), son of Alphaeus and one of the Twelve, is the author of the Epistle of Jude.
Finally, the Gospel note that “not even His brothers believed in Him” (John 7:5) cannot refer to James and Judas (Thaddeus), since both were believers, apostles, and authors of New Testament epistles. This leaves Joseph and Simon—the other two sons of Mary of Clopas/Cleophas—as the unbelieving relatives mentioned in John’s narrative. Thus even the belief-status of Jesus’s adelphoi aligns with the broader evidence: they were His cousins, not children of Mary.