MATTHEW 25:30 THE UNPROFITABLE SERVANT

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Matthew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The Lord Jesus Christ is describing the kingdom of heaven. The promised Davidic kingdom on earth promised to the Israel of God, the little flock (Revelation 5:10 Luke 12:32).

It is only the righteous Jew that will enter the kingdom of heaven. It is only the profitable Jew who will enter. The unprofitable Jew will not enter the kingdom, but will be cast into outer darkness: outer darkness is not hell.

The outer darkness is often mistaken for hell. Outer darkness is described as weeping (see Matthew 25:30 above); in the verse below hell is described as wailing.

Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
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Matthew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The Lord Jesus Christ is describing the kingdom of heaven. The promised Davidic kingdom on earth promised to the Israel of God, the little flock (Revelation 5:10 Luke 12:32).

It is only the righteous Jew that will enter the kingdom of heaven. It is only the profitable Jew who will enter. The unprofitable Jew will not enter the kingdom, but will be cast into outer darkness: outer darkness is not hell.

The outer darkness is often mistaken for hell. Outer darkness is described as weeping (see Matthew 25:30 above); in the verse below hell is described as wailing.

Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Your understanding of this parable and the Parable of the Minas does not match the narrative found in both parables.

In the Parable of the Minas the man who goes away when he returns, wants to kill all of his servants who no longer wanted him to be master over them.

In Rev 12 we are told that when Satan is able to return after being locked up for 1,000 years, he immediately wants to kill off all of the Israelites, who had been his servants before he had gone away. The man who goes away does not fit the Biblical understanding of who Christ is.
 

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It is only the righteous Jew that will enter the kingdom of heaven. It is only the profitable Jew who will enter. The unprofitable Jew will not enter the kingdom, but will be cast into outer darkness: outer darkness is not hell.
Paul writes this epistle to the Roman Gentile church in regards enemies of the Gospel Jews for their sake.

Lest they should be ignorant of this mystery, lest they should be wise in their own conceits.

That blindness in part is happened to Israel Jews, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

(And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14)

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob/Israel.

For the gifts and calling of GOD are without repentance. (but in the beginning they were all called to repent and be baptized)

For as Gentiles in times past have not believed GOD, yet have now obtained mercy.

Even so have Israel Jews also now not believed, that through Gentile's mercy the Israel Jews also may obtain mercy.

For GOD have concluded them all Israel Jews in unbelief, that HE might have mercy upon all.

True Jews are those of the household of Jacob and 12 sons, called Israelites.

Now where did you get your version of profitable Jews enter the Kingdom and unprofitable Jews enter not??

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
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In the Parable of the Minas the man who goes away when he returns, wants to kill all of his servants who no longer wanted him to be master over them.
what verse are you talking about? It's not in Matthew 25....are you talking about this [Luk 19:27 KJV] 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
If you are dont you think Christ takes vengeance consider this verse.........[2Th 1:7-8 KJV] 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
 

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Paul writes this epistle to the Roman Gentile church in regards enemies of the Gospel Jews for their sake.

Lest they should be ignorant of this mystery, lest they should be wise in their own conceits.

That blindness in part is happened to Israel Jews, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

(And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14)

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob/Israel.

For the gifts and calling of GOD are without repentance. (but in the beginning they were all called to repent and be baptized)

For as Gentiles in times past have not believed GOD, yet have now obtained mercy.

Even so have Israel Jews also now not believed, that through Gentile's mercy the Israel Jews also may obtain mercy.

For GOD have concluded them all Israel Jews in unbelief, that HE might have mercy upon all.

True Jews are those of the household of Jacob and 12 sons, called Israelites.

Now where did you get your version of profitable Jews enter the Kingdom and unprofitable Jews enter not??

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.
I dont get why you are citing these verses but Matthew 25 is about the kingdom of heaven (v14) which is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth in which Christ reigns for a thousand years..........only the believing remnant, the little flock, will enter the kingdom....to enter they must be faithful, keep the commandments, and not take the mark but endure ti=o the end
 

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I dont get why you are citing these verses but Matthew 25 is about the kingdom of heaven (v14) which is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth in which Christ reigns for a thousand years..........only the believing remnant, the little flock, will enter the kingdom....to enter they must be faithful, keep the commandments, and not take the mark but endure ti=o the end
Sadly how silly one can get possesing the wrong spirit.

Matthew 25:
14. For the Kingdom of Heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.


This verse is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth which Christ reigns on it for a thousand years??

Meaning, Davidic kingdom in the New Testament consist of only Jewish servants, in which reigning Christ delivered unto them His goods??

The verse plainly reads, 'For the Kingdom of Heaven'

King David died and his kingdom was over long time ago, and taken over by other Kings from the line of Judah until Christ.

Before virgin Mary conceived Jesus, angel Gabriel prophesy who's prophetic Kingdom and is forever??

Luke 1:
32. He shall be great, and shall be called Son of the Highest: and the LORD GOD shall give unto Him the throne of His father David:
33. And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His Kingdom there shall be no end.


1. Christ merely receives from GOD the King's throne of His father David the firstborn King of Israel.
2. Christ shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever. (and not reign on the prophetic Davidic kingdom bogus)
3. It's now Christ's Kingdom and there shall be no end, as of the Kingdom of GOD in Heaven.

The house of Jacob which Christ reigns over since have adopted Gentile sons of GOD.

From the cultivated olive tree where Christ is the root, some unfruitful branches were cut off by GOD the gardener.

HE then cut off some branches from the wild olive tree, and grafted it onto the cultivated olive tree in replacement.

Scripture is the authority that determines the truth and at the same time exposes 'counterfeits' and 'imposters' among us.

As Christ prophesy, "For you shall know them by their fruit."
 
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2. Christ shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever. (and not reign on the prophetic Davidic kingdom bogus)
[Isa 9:7 KJV] 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
[Isa 2:2-4 KJV] 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
[Rev 20:6 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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[Isa 9:7 KJV] 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
The scripture read, Of the increase of Christ's government and peace there shall be no end, upon (over) the throne of David and upon (over) his kingdom in disorder, to order it, .................

For Christ shall reign over the house of Jacob/Israel for ever, as successor final King over the throne David and over his kingdom, to order it.

Prophetic message to David the firstborn king over the kingdom of Israel, that, every successor king of Israel shall come from his linage.

Luke 1:
32. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the LORD GOD shall give unto Him the throne of His father David:
33. And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His Kingdom there shall be no end.


But according to you,
Matthew 25:14, is about the Kingdom of Heaven, which is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, in which Christ reigns for a thousand years.

Bogus!
 

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But according to you,
Matthew 25:14, is about the Kingdom of Heaven, which is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, in which Christ reigns for a thousand years.

Bogus!
[Rev 20:6 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Where will Christ reign for a thousand years? I say in the kingdom on earth
 

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Where will Christ reign for a thousand years? I say in the kingdom on earth.

There are examples of earthly Kings who reign without actually living in all of their dominion. The Persin King sent statues of himself all over his empire to be placed in all of the temples to be worshipped. Christ promised that He would live within His people and communion with them from their heart. He did not require a statue of Him to be placed in our hearts for us to worship Him.

Christ rule is a Priestly Rule and not a kingly rule and as such this priestly rule does not require Him to live on the earth for Him to be worshipped.

In Revelation 19 we learn that Christ spent much of His time in heaven, particularly during the 1,000 years that Satan was imprisoned in the Bottomless pit and was our High Priest interceding on our behalf with His Heavenly Father.

Perhaps you might like to expand on how Christ will reign in the kingdom on earth while yet still remaining in the heavenlies.
 

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In Revelation 19 we learn that Christ spent much of His time in heaven, particularly during the 1,000 years that Satan was imprisoned in the Bottomless pit and was our High Priest interceding on our behalf with His Heavenly Father.

Perhaps you might like to expand on how Christ will reign in the kingdom on earth while yet still remaining in the heavenlies.
The kingdom on earth is not established until Revelation 20
 

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The kingdom on earth is not established until Revelation 20

A common misunderstanding of many who read the Book of revelations as a linear revelation.

When we study God's revelation as contained in the scriptures, we must read all of the bible prophecies to see how they are interwoven together. We cannot consider portions of the scriptures in isolation without reference to the other parts of the scriptures.

Revelation 19 and 20 are parallel revelation with both chapters having the same basic starting and end point. Both chapters span all of the seventh age.

We all need to establish the timeline that God has and then drape the various portions of the scriptures at the right locations along this timeline to be able to see and understand what the scriptures are telling us about God's plan for humanity. Remember that the seventh age will begin in around 20 years' time. That is when Satan will be judged as well as all of the beasts and together, they will be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for many days, i.e. for 1,000 years before they are released for the events that will take place during the Little While period. Immediately after all of the heavenly hosts are judged, the Son of Man, i.e. the Christ, will come before the Ancient of Days, i.e. God, and will be given dominion over all of the peoples of the earth, such that they should worship Him, and He will receive a Kingdom that will be established during the time of these kings, who are also judged at the same time as the Heavenly Hosts; this everlasting kingdom that God will establish in our near future.

To paint the above picture, I needed to refer to many places in the scriptures to be able to see and understand how this all unfolds in God's timing.

What you have suggested in your above statement is that the seventh age has a duration of some 2,000 years instead of just over 1,000 years.

Remember that both Rev 19 and 20 have the same ending event for the judged heavenly hosts, their final judged punishment of being banished into the Lake of fire.

However, one needs a clear head to be able to see all of this and how it will unfold.

You need to improve on your rebuttals.