My 2nd Ex-Wife will be Raised from the Dead in the Name of Jesus Christ

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Great verses there!

(PS: is that last quote really from Ecclesiastes? I recall it as New Testament...)

Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

The "cistern" is the clay flesh body that our soul lives in. The cistern is built to hold the water or life that is within the flesh body, but once that bowl is broken the water or life leaks out of it, just as water leaks out of this flesh body. The "silver cord" is what holds your soul and the spirit together with the flesh body. We can call it the process of thought, which is the intellect of the mind, or soul. When one is brain dead, there is no electrical impulse within the brain, and mankind is considered dead, even though the physical body may still be pumping blood. Life support systems are generally discontinued in most cases.

When that silver cord parts, and the heavenly Father allows it to happen, and this flesh body becomes biologically dead, the very inner man departs for this physical body, and returns to the Father. This decaying body will never be used again, ever. For the soul has entered into its new incorruptible body.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

Then when? After the silver cord breaks, the mind is brain dead, and the body loses its life. Then shall the body "dust" return to the earth as it was, before it was formed into food, and entered your mouth as food to make your flesh body healthy.

The spirit is the intellect of the soul, that gives the soul its identity. This is not complicated. When the body dies, and goes to the grave, the physical body will never have a use again, for the soul has returned to the Father, to God who created it in the first place. Because this is a promise of God, it should be what all Christians look forward to all the days of their lives. That is the day that we will be with the Father and Jesus Christ is heaven, not at some distant time in the future.

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Bull. Why lie to the guy? She's still in the grave, just like everyone else that's ever died. If she believed, she'll be resurrected one day.
Jn 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Got to add some more just because of your"Bull"

Who are the below

Revelation 6:9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:"

These souls were killed for their stand in the Word of God. Who could that be? The saints of God, for their souls are now at [not under] the altar of God in heaven. Those souls have died and are with the Father in Heaven.

Revelation 6:10 "And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord [Master], holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth."

Their blood was shed on the earth, while at this time they are pleading at the altar of God in heaven. To be absent from this body is to be present with the Lord [Ecclesiastes 12:7]. The time of revenge will come at God's appointed time. Before God, nobody gets away with anything.

Revelation 6:11 "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

Get it right when you come at me!!!

Mark 12:26 "And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?' "

Jesus is saying here, "now lets talk about the dead for a moment." Jesus is reminding these Sadducees that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all dead, yet God has said, I am the God of these men, and if God were the God of these men at Moses time, than each of these three men would still have to be alive. To be a God over anybody they would have to be alive to have a God over them. The meaning to this is that nobody is dead yet,

Mark 12:27 "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err."

Any one that teaches that there loved one is out there in a hole in the ground, waiting for a rapture is just as these Sadducees, greatly in err. That is what the heathen believe and it is called "soul sleep". The other piece of traditional trash that is taught today, is that some day they will join back to their dead and decayed flesh body. Wake up pal, when the flesh body is dead it is gone forever, and it will have no more of value than a hand full of dirt.

 

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Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

The "cistern" is the clay flesh body that our soul lives in. The cistern is built to hold the water or life that is within the flesh body, but once that bowl is broken the water or life leaks out of it, just as water leaks out of this flesh body. The "silver cord" is what holds your soul and the spirit together with the flesh body. We can call it the process of thought, which is the intellect of the mind, or soul. When one is brain dead, there is no electrical impulse within the brain, and mankind is considered dead, even though the physical body may still be pumping blood. Life support systems are generally discontinued in most cases.

When that silver cord parts, and the heavenly Father allows it to happen, and this flesh body becomes biologically dead, the very inner man departs for this physical body, and returns to the Father. This decaying body will never be used again, ever. For the soul has entered into its new incorruptible body.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

Then when? After the silver cord breaks, the mind is brain dead, and the body loses its life. Then shall the body "dust" return to the earth as it was, before it was formed into food, and entered your mouth as food to make your flesh body healthy.

The spirit is the intellect of the soul, that gives the soul its identity. This is not complicated. When the body dies, and goes to the grave, the physical body will never have a use again, for the soul has returned to the Father, to God who created it in the first place. Because this is a promise of God, it should be what all Christians look forward to all the days of their lives. That is the day that we will be with the Father and Jesus Christ is heaven, not at some distant time in the future.

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Thanks! I was referring to this:

" "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7."
 
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Are you serious?Guess you are.
Mosses and Elijah appeared with Christ,take it they still in the grave according to you.The flesh is done with at death or the 2nd coming ,which ever comes first

So let's go deeper with your scripture quote

No man, no one goes to heaven, but that he first was born from above. That soul must first be born of women, where the soul entered the womb at conception, and when the flesh body dies, it is returned to the father. There is not a living being on this earth, that did not come down from the Father first, and at death shall return to the Father. That is just plain common sense.

This doesn't mean that they are all going to have eternal life, but heaven is where the Father is, and that is where the judgment takes place. But what is meant here is in reference to obtaining salvation for their soul, or eternal life. All souls return to the Father, and many of those that do return will be condemned to destruction. The judgment takes place at the time of the great white throne judgment. Until that time, those sinning souls will stay right there in paradise where there is a great gulf between God and the sinning soul This is stated in the parable of the rich man, in Luke 16. There has been no soul destroyed to this date, that has passed on after death.

Christ did exactly what we did,came down from heaven,we all came from heaven

It's all so non-Biblical, I don't know where to start.

---Moses and Elijah weren't there physically. It was a vision, Mt 17:9
---Man does not HAVE a soul. He IS a soul Gen 2:7
---There are 2 heavens - the created starry Heavens and the uncreated Heaven of Heavens, which is God's abode. No one is EVER said to have gone to the Heaven of Heavens, except Christ.
---No one was EVER in Heaven before their life on earth. No one goes to Heaven at their death. Only Gentiles living since 64AD have a Calling to spend eternity where God lives. These are the only people to have the judgment in Heaven. No Jew will every go to this Highest Heaven, for judgment or anything else. All Jews are judged here on earth. They are earthly people and the Gentiles are Heavenly people. The ungodly (unbeliever) will not stand in ANY judgment (Ps 1:5). They have already been judged and have perished. ALL believers will stand in a judgment.
---Lay off the common sense. It's not that common concerning Biblical things. When the Bible is silent, we must also be silent.
---Christ did what we WILL do, not what we HAVE DONE. We identify with Him - He doesn't identify with us! So far, Christ is the only one who has escaped the grave. We are identified with all that Christ did, bit the realization is all future. Actually, the only people that identify with Him being raised to Heaven and seated, are we Gentiles today, as covered ONLY in Paul's 7 all-Gentile post-Acts epistles. The identification with Christ, in the other 59 all-Israel books, stopped at resurrection, being raised from the grave.
---Everyone who believes Christ died for for their sins, was buried, and was raised 3 days later, has eternal life 1Cor 15:1-4, Jn 3:16. 36
---The Rich Man and Lazarus (Lk 16:19;31) is a parable and a parable is a FICTITIOUS story, according to Strong's. From Mt 13 on, Christ only spoke to the Pharisees/Multitude in parables, Mt 13:34, "All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: In Mt 13:3, He said, "And he spake many things unto them in parables,...
---There is no concept of Hell in the texts, only in the translations

Since you proposed all of these things, please provide scripture for all of them. I can think of none you'll be able to find
 

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Thanks! I was referring to this:

" "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7."
Actually, that is 2Cor 5:8. Eccl 12:7 says, when you die, your SPIRIT (not soul) that was given to you at your salvation, is returned to God, who gave it. The non-believer has no Spirit to return to God.

2Cor 5:8 is probably the most mis-interpreted verse in the Bible. It is used, wrongly, that a person immediately goes to Heaven when they die. This iffy verse in shot down by the TOTALLY non-iffy verse, Jn 3:13, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Paul's quandary in 2Cor 5 it that he didn't want to be in the naked state, between his death and his resurrection. 2Cor 5:3-4
 

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Got to add some more just because of your"Bull"

Who are the below

Revelation 6:9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:"

These souls were killed for their stand in the Word of God. Who could that be? The saints of God, for their souls are now at [not under] the altar of God in heaven. Those souls have died and are with the Father in Heaven.

Revelation 6:10 "And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord [Master], holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth."

Their blood was shed on the earth, while at this time they are pleading at the altar of God in heaven. To be absent from this body is to be present with the Lord [Ecclesiastes 12:7]. The time of revenge will come at God's appointed time. Before God, nobody gets away with anything.

Revelation 6:11 "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

Get it right when you come at me!!!

Mark 12:26 "And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?' "

Jesus is saying here, "now lets talk about the dead for a moment." Jesus is reminding these Sadducees that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all dead, yet God has said, I am the God of these men, and if God were the God of these men at Moses time, than each of these three men would still have to be alive. To be a God over anybody they would have to be alive to have a God over them. The meaning to this is that nobody is dead yet,

Mark 12:27 "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err."

Any one that teaches that there loved one is out there in a hole in the ground, waiting for a rapture is just as these Sadducees, greatly in err. That is what the heathen believe and it is called "soul sleep". The other piece of traditional trash that is taught today, is that some day they will join back to their dead and decayed flesh body. Wake up pal, when the flesh body is dead it is gone forever, and it will have no more of value than a hand full of dirt.
---Revelation is ALL future
---Those in Rev 6 were the overcomers that will die in the tribulation and will be in the first resurrection.
---There are indications that God will have a throne in the starry heavens. God will be on the Earth, the starry Heavens, and the Heaven of Heavens, all at the same time, when He is all in all. During Revelation, He is likely in both the Heavens and Heaven of Heavens at the same time.
---Mk 12 is talking about rising at resurrection, not rising to Heaven. The Bibles don't do a great job of separating the two.
---None of your proofs are valid!!!! Noexceptions.

EVERY BELIEVER THAT HAS EVER DIED, INCLUDING DAVID, Acts 2:29, 34, IS STILL IN THE GRAVE, ASLEEP, WAITING FOR THE RESURRECTION. RESURRECTION IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE ESCAPE FROM THE GRAVE. ANYONE THAT SAYS OTHERWISE IS NOT A BIBLE BELIEVER, BUT IS A BELIEVER IN TRADITION.
 
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---Revelation is ALL future
---Those in Rev 6 were the overcomers that will die in the tribulation and will be in the first resurrection.
---There are indications that God will have a throne in the starry heavens. God will be on the Earth, the starry Heavens, and the Heaven of Heavens, all at the same time, when He is all in all. During Revelation, He is likely in both the Heavens and Heaven of Heavens at the same time.
---Mk 12 is talking about rising at resurrection, not rising to Heaven. The Bibles don't do a great job of separating the two.
---None of your proofs are valid!!!! Noexceptions.

EVERY BELIEVER THAT HAS EVER DIED, INCLUDING DAVID, Acts 2:29, 34, IS STILL IN THE GRAVE, ASLEEP, WAITING FOR THE RESURRECTION. RESURRECTION IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE ESCAPE FROM THE GRAVE. ANYONE THAT SAYS OTHERWISE IS NOT A BIBLE BELIEVER, BUT IS A BELIEVER IN TRADITION.

So you believe in soul sleep,in which case scripture calls you a heathen

You say those in Rev 6 are the over comers in a sense you are correct ,but where you are wrong is that they are those who have died for the Word throughout time.

Who did Christ preach to when He died?

I Peter 3:19 "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison,"

These spirits that Christ preached to in prison, where the spirits of the saints that died prior to His death on the cross.

Now let's do Paul again

I Corinthians 15:16 "For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:"

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then [at death] shall the dust [flesh body] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [spiritual body] shall return [instantly] to God [Father] Who gave it."

Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

This is written by Solomon to the flesh man that walks under the sun, and when the life of the flesh is over, it has no more knowledge or thought than a stick or rock. It is useless, but the soul that is within it is gone and with the Father.

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So you believe in soul sleep,in which case scripture calls you a heathen

You say those in Rev 6 are the over comers in a sense you are correct ,but where you are wrong is that they are those who have died for the Word throughout time.

Who did Christ preach to when He died?

I Peter 3:19 "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison,"

These spirits that Christ preached to in prison, where the spirits of the saints that died prior to His death on the cross.

Now let's do Paul again

I Corinthians 15:16 "For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:"

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then [at death] shall the dust [flesh body] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [spiritual body] shall return [instantly] to God [Father] Who gave it."

Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

This is written by Solomon to the flesh man that walks under the sun, and when the life of the flesh is over, it has no more knowledge or thought than a stick or rock. It is useless, but the soul that is within it is gone and with the Father.

If you can't see it nothing else I can do

Everything you said is based on traditions, since you have no idea of what the scripture you quote means.

I, a soul, sleep every night. Man does not HAVE a soul. He IS a soul. In the grave, he's dead as a doornail, with absolutely no consciousness. There are probably about 50 verses that equate a dead saint as being asleep, mainly because, when he awakes, it will seem like he's been asleep.. Dead non-believers just rot away.

There is nothing in these verses that would indicate that Christ did this while in the grave. He was dead as a doornail between His death and His resurrection. If He wasn't, we couldn't identify with His death. Man is totally unconscious between death and resurrection. In vs 18, Christ was quickened, resurrected, before He visited the spirits in prison. He did that during His ascension.
1Pe 3:18-19
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

All the 1Cor quotes are true, of course. Some of your preachy definitions are true, but the last one is atrocious and possibly heretical. Your definition of Eccl 12:7 is about the most non-Biblical thing I've ever heard. You obviously spent too much time in Church, to come up with these heresies. I can't believe you came up with the following. Nothing there is worth discussing. Everything there is invented by you. Paul absolutely DID NOT say what you said in your analysis. There is NO scripture that says anyone will have 2 bodies at the same time.

"There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

"Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

"It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh."

The Bible says, when you die, your SPIRIT returns to God, NOT YOUR SPIRITUAL BODY!!!! Eccl 12:7. After you die, your physical body rots and becomes part of the dirt. You then are in the naked state and exist ONLY through your spirit that God has collected from you. The existence of a soul is non-Biblical pagan bull, as is "hell." You are given a spiritual body ONLY at resurrection. This is the crux of 2Cor 5:1-9. Paul didn't want to die and be in the naked state, with no body at all, like EVERYONE that ever dies will be. He expected (or, hoped) that, during his lifetime, Israel would repent, Christ would return, the Rapture would happen, and he would never have to go through this naked state in the grave.

Unbelievers are NEVER resurrected. They have already been judged and will never stand in any judgment Ps 1:5. The reason believers can be resurrected and be judged is that God has and is protecting their spirit, the record of their saved life and the essence of the dead soul (dead person).

Every word in the Bible is inspired and, also, is true, except for the 8000+ figures of speech and all the parables. To say Eccl is untrue is heresy. God is not the author of confusion or a liar. If Eccl weren't true, He would be both.

We are told in Rev not to add to or subtract from the Words in this book, Some say it only pertains to Rev. I say it pertains the the whole Bible. We are also told that No Scripture can be of any private interpretation. From all those parentheses in your quotes, it is obvious that you are guilty of both. Probably 3/4 of what you wrote was ADDED ON and of private interpretation and, therefore, everything you wrote is just imaginary fluff.

When the Bible is silent, we must also be silent.
 
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If she believed that Christ died for her sins, was buried, and was resurrected after 3 days, she will one day be resurrected, but that will be a long time off, most probably. She certainly won't EVER be resurrected alone. She will be part of one of the mass resurrections.

Since what you ask is 1000% non-Biblical, you will never get your wish. If a Spirit truly told you that she would be made alive, alone, you are absolutely being lied to by an evil spirit. No one living today has the unction to be able to raise anyone from the dead.

Mt 10:8 was a commandment given to the 12 apostles ONLY. It wasn't given to you. Besides Christ, the 12 were the only ones at that time that were given the powers to raise anyone from the dead. YOU CERTAINLY CANNOT DO IT and neither can that foul spirit you've been talking to or anyone living today. She's 100% dead and will remain so until God's scheduled time.
You're cheerleading for the Devil, Satan.

Other disciples were made who did miracles in the name of the Lord. And in what is known as the great commission, the Lord sent disciples out to make new disciples, baptizing them and teaching them as the Lord taught.

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
 

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You're cheerleading for the Devil, Satan.

Other disciples were made who did miracles in the name of the Lord. And in what is known as the great commission, the Lord sent disciples out to make new disciples, baptizing them and teaching them as the Lord taught.

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
In John 14:12, Christ is talking to the 12. Are you one of the 12. NO! Is anyone living today one of the 12? NO! What Christ told the 12 never will belong to anybody but the 12.

Your insults display your profound ignorance. NO ONE living today can perform healings or raise anyone from the dead. The Gifts of the Spirit stopped 1956 years ago, at the very same time Israel ceased to be God's people, Acts 28:28. Also, God's word to the Gentiles living today was fulfilled, Col 1:25, completed, in the final dispensation, the dispensation of the mystery, covered in Paul's 7 post-Acts books. We have the completed Word of God today. He hasn't talked to anyone since 64AD. Everything He has to say to us is in the Bible. For nearly 2000 years, Satan has had a field day, impersonating God and lying to gullible people like you.

If she wasn't saved, she's long gone, never to be heard from again. If she was saved, she must wait for the resurrection. If her case, that likely will be more than 1000 years from now, after the Millennium.

"A mountain of extraordinary experiences weighs less than 1 ounce of inspired scripture!"
 

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Uh, as far as Judas being an impotent disciple with, supposedly, no healing powers...…… In all three of these Gospels, Matthew 10, Mark 6, and Luke 9, Jesus sent "the 12" out, 2 by 2, "with all power and authority to cast out demons and heal the sick." I'm pretty sure Judas was one of the 12 at that time.
 

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How will they die in the trib when they are already dead?
And how is that tribulation way off into the future somewhere when John opened the Book of Revelation by stating he was a brother in tribulation, right along with the people he wrote that letter to?
 
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In John 14:12, Christ is talking to the 12. Are you one of the 12. NO! Is anyone living today one of the 12? NO! What Christ told the 12 never will belong to anybody but the 12.

Your insults display your profound ignorance. NO ONE living today can perform healings or raise anyone from the dead.
You lack understanding of scripture and Holy council, or willingly serve Satan. Disciples of that time did miracles in addition to the 12. There was no such termination as you wrongly maintain. And the Lord commanded the disciples to make new disciples and teach them what the Lord taught. That included doing miracles such as heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, and cast out demons.

As a servant of the Lord, I have performed at least 2 healings by praying in the name of Jesus Christ. And the dead will be raised, as the Lord commanded.
 

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You lack understanding of scripture and Holy council, or willingly serve Satan. Disciples of that time did miracles in addition to the 12. There was no such termination as you wrongly maintain. And the Lord commanded the disciples to make new disciples and teach them what the Lord taught. That included doing miracles such as heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, and cast out demons.

As a servant of the Lord, I have performed at least 2 healings by praying in the name of Jesus Christ. And the dead will be raised, as the Lord commanded.
You're 2000 years behind the times and, with no exaggeration, have ZERO understanding of the NT. However, you have TONS of company.about. The ONLY truth for anyone saved in the last 1956 years is found ONLY in Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. Everything in those books was part of a mystery HID IN GOD SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN. NOTHING in those books, except Christ, is found in any of the other 59, 100% ALL-ISRAEL Books. EVERYTHING that Paul wrote in Acts was in the OT, Ac26:22. Therefore, NOTHING during Acts can be merged into the present truth of the after-Acts books. Search and See.

Sure you did.
 
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You're 2000 years behind the times and, with no exaggeration, have ZERO understanding of the NT. However, you have TONS of company.about. The ONLY truth for anyone saved in the last 1956 years is found ONLY in Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. Everything in those books was part of a mystery HID IN GOD SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN. NOTHING in those books, except Christ, is found in any of the other 59, 100% ALL-ISRAEL Books. EVERYTHING that Paul wrote in Acts was in the OT, Ac26:22. Therefore, NOTHING during Acts can be merged into the present truth of the after-Acts books. Search and See.

Sure you did.
You cheerlead for Satan, write falsely of the New Testament, and certainly do not write with council by the Holy Spirit.
 

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You cheerlead for Satan, write falsely of the New Testament, and certainly do not write with council by the Holy Spirit.
I am probably the most anti-Satan member of this forum. I notice that you never use scripture to try and combat what I write. You game is to supply nothing but dumb insults, the standard method used to cover up ignorance.
 

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She very likely did not die a believer.

Being a believer has nothing to do with it.

Luke 16:19 "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:"

This is starting a new parable to tell us what heaven and hell is actually like. This rich man in the parable had all the wealth that he needed, and he had everything that his mind could think of.

Luke 16:20 "And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,"

Lazarus was sitting daily at the beggars gate, seeking enough money to buy food to eat. He had nothing, and his body was full of sores from wrong diet, and the beggars life.

Luke 16:21 "And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: more over the dogs came and licked his sores."

This verse is telling us that this man was treated worse than the dogs, for even the dogs get fed by their masters. This rich man had showed no compassion to this poor man in life, as they lived here in the flesh. Even the dogs showed more compassion for Lazarus than that rich man, for they came and licked the sores of Lazarus.

Lazarus in the Greek is the same as Eleazar in the Hebrew tongue. Eleazar was the son of Aaron, who was the first man to qualify as an honest priest of God. Eleazar had two other brothers that violated everything that God had directed the priest to do. They took the fire of the stove back home to light the altar fire, that went against the instructions that God gave to Aaron. They did not take the things of God serious, but fit God and their duties into their personal life scheduling. Their religion was what they wanted to make it to be, not what God instructed the priesthood to be. In due time after they messed with God's altar, God struck both of them dead. Then Eleazar became the priest, and set the example for the priesthood.

When Jesus raised Lazarus, the brother of Martha and Mary, from the dead, Jesus was trying to show that the priesthood of Eleazar lives again. This is why Jesus is using the parable of Lazarus the poor man here on earth, and is being elevated to the bosom of Abraham, and present by Christ before God. So this verse shows us the lack of compassion that the rich man had.

Luke 16:22 "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom the rich man also died, and was buried;"

Lazarus was carried into heaven by the angels of God, while the rich man's body was buried in the ground and his soul went to Hades, the holding place before being destroyed by hell fire.

Luke 16:23 "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

This is a parable about two men that actually lived, and when both died, the rich man could see Lazarus in heaven with Abraham. He could look across that great gulf that stood between them, but could not go there. Our Heavenly Father is the Father of the living and not the dead. Thus to be absent from this physical body of the flesh is to be present with the Lord. The soul does not go to the grave as the flesh does, but goes immediate to heaven. Those that did not overcome cannot be with those that overcame in this earth age, for they are separated. All souls can actually see the throne of God from where they are. Those that are on the rich man's side are being held for that great judgment day.

Luke 16:24 "And he cried and said, `Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' "

There is no flame there yet, but there will be after Judgment day. God doesn't burn anybody until after judgment day. This rich man had everything that he wanted, but here in heaven, he can't even afford one drop of water. The role is switched here in heaven, for now Lazarus has the comfort of heaven, and the rich man has nothing, not even comfort.

Luke 16:25 "But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivest thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented."

Life has it's payday, and this is the rich man's time.

Luke 16:26 "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.' "

"Between us that over came, and you that did not overcome, there is a great gulf fixed." That gulf is so fixed that even though one side can see the other side, there is no way to pass between. We can't go your way and you can't come our way. Luke is making the entire clear that you set your course in this life of the flesh, and when your soul passes into the next life, there is no changing what you have done in this life. This gulf or chasm is from the Greek "Chasma"; It means "an impassable interval". The interval is of time and space. This is telling us that if you die hell bound and enter into that other dimension, there is no way that you can reenter back into this dimension again. What ever side of the gulf you are on when you die, that is the side you stay until judgment day.