MY GOSPEL

[Doug]

Conventional thinking in Christianity is that the Twelve taught the exact same thing as Paul. People generally believe Paul comes along later because he's rebellious—he’s persecuting the church in early Acts—but then the Lord appears to him, Paul gets saved, and he just becomes another member of the Twelve. According to this view, he goes to the same people with the same message, and his ministry is not different from theirs.

That is the widespread thinking throughout Christianity. It's almost universally believed: Paul came later, but he did the exact same thing.

Let's look at Ephesians 3:1–3:

“For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles—”

Not to Jews only but to Gentiles. That’s exactly what he says. You should also keep in mind that, during the Lord’s earthly ministry, He sent out the Twelve specifically commanding them in Matthew 10, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles.” Now that’s important.

People want to say that Peter and Paul had the same ministry, but if words mean things—which they do—then his ministry is different. At minimum, it involved a different audience.

Verse 2: “If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward—”

Isn’t the natural sense of that verse that the dispensation of the grace of God was given to Paul? Isn’t that exactly what it says? Would that verse make sense if the dispensation of grace had already been given to someone else? That would be an odd thing to say. The whole thrust of the verse is that a specific dispensation—a body of information—was given to Paul, for you-ward, meaning to pass along to others. Paul was very much like Moses. What did God do with Moses? God gave information to him—not to put in a safe deposit box—but to distribute to Israel. Moses was a prophet who received revelation from God, which he then communicated.

The same or similar thing is true of Paul. The dispensation of the grace of God was given to him, for us. He was to share it with humanity.

Verse 3: “How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery—”

Now, from 1 Corinthians 2:7–8, we know that the word “mystery” means hidden wisdom. A mystery is wisdom, but what kind of wisdom? Hidden, concealed wisdom. So when verse 3 says, “How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery,” people often assume Paul simply preached what Peter was preaching—he just started later. That is utterly false in relation to what's actually written in our Bibles.

But verse 3 disproves the idea that Paul's revelation was the same as that of the twelve.

What was Paul doing in Acts 7 and 8? He was persecuting the church. And he was doing so because of their doctrine—not because he hated Jewish people (Paul himself was Jewish, of the tribe of Benjamin). He viewed the church as heretical—because of what they taught. So, did Paul need a special revelation from God the Father to understand what Peter and the Twelve were preaching? No, he already knew what they taught. That’s precisely why he persecuted them.

So then what does verse 3 tell you?

“By revelation he made known unto me the mystery.”

The mystery can’t possibly be what Peter and the Twelve were teaching—Paul already knew that doctrine. He knew it, and that’s why he was persecuting them! And here’s the point: we’re only three verses into Ephesians 3, and when people say “Paul was doing the exact same thing as Peter”—have they read any of the verses? Or do they just believe things that sound spiritual?

So, there is much to be gleaned from these facts that lead to even deeper implications for rightly dividing the word of truth.

BTW

Well said

 

[Doug]

you are trying to find excuses, they do not hold, I just wanted to tell you they knew and proved it using scripture only. what does it matter before of after, they still know before Paul, they preached the cross before Paul.

It does matter when Jesus spoke of his death and resurrection because the disciples were preaching the gospel early on and so many say they were preaching the same gospel as Paul which is the death and resurrection for our sins

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Actually it's MY Gospel.

I'm joint heir with Jesus and as one that abides in Him I'm a part of His Gospel so the Doctrine of Christ is MY Gospel

If you fellas want to walk in the Doctrine of Christ you can make it YOU Gospel too!

 

[Doug]

yes it did, the great comission was given to the remaining 11, I even quoted from it to you before, did you read what I posted? read it again you missed this part.

The Scriptures Opened​

44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.


46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, [a]and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city [b]of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”

You said they knew what he was talking about when he told them of his death and resurrection........you werent referring to when he opened their understanding

 

[Doug]

they did not understand fully at the last super but they knew he would be put to death and resurrect.

you said...........
Although the disciples struggled at times to accept what Jesus was saying, there is a clear moment when they finally understood.
At the Last Supper, Jesus again spoke of His death:

You were saying that they did understand at the last supper.

 

[Doug]

before I go any further, do you believe all that what Christ said? I need to know.

Of course all scripture is truth
I just dont think I am to obey it all but I can learn from all scripture

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I just dont think I am to obey it all

The devil used to try and tell me that as well

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Of course all scripture is truth
I just dont think I am to obey it all but I can learn from all scripture

I dare say that everyone here is dispensational because not one person here runs outside to offer up animal sacrifices for their sins...

BTW

 

[BeforeThereWas]

The devil used to try and tell me that as well

What are you saying? Are you implying that you do what ALL of scripture says in all places?

I have grave doubts that you offer up animal sacrifices for sin, or even have a priest do so, for your sins. After all, that too is in the Bible...

BTW

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I have grave doubts that you offer up animal sacrifices for sin

Unlike you, I know that Jesus came to do away with the old covenant and He established the New Covenant and I'm living under the Law of Christ as taught in the New Covenant.

Hey, if you can't run with the big dogs you best stay up on the porch with the pups!

 

[Doug]

you do not know your scripture Doug;

All references are from the New King James Version (NKJV), This text concludes with scriptural evidence that the disciples understood Jesus’ death before Paul ever encountered Christ. No one can deny what is clearly written in scripture.

Jesus did not keep His death a secret from His disciples. Throughout His ministry, He plainly told them what would happen, when it would happen, and why. Although at first they struggled to understand, there came a moment when they finally grasped the truth. This truth was revealed by Jesus Himself, before any outsider—including Paul—could have known. Scripture clearly shows that the original disciples, chosen and taught by Jesus, understood His coming death and resurrection well before Paul ever became a follower.

Jesus Openly Foretells His Death​

Jesus spoke of His death on multiple occasions. The first clear prophecy is recorded after Peter confessed that Jesus is "the Christ, the Son of the living God."



This marks the first time Jesus began to explain clearly to His disciples that He would be killed and raised on the third day. It’s important that Matthew writes “from that time”—showing this was a turning point. Jesus no longer spoke in parables but openly revealed the suffering ahead.

Peter, still not fully understanding, reacted strongly:



But Jesus corrected Peter:


This rebuke shows that Peter's thinking was still earthly, but the teaching had begun. Jesus was preparing them to accept the hard truth.

Repeated Warnings and Growing Clarity​

Jesus did not mention His death just once. He reminded them again:



This time the disciples are “exceedingly sorrowful”—showing they understood enough to be deeply troubled.
Again, shortly before arriving in Jerusalem:


This is the most detailed prophecy yet. Jesus plainly names the people involved, the actions taken, the method of death—crucifixion—and the timing of the resurrection.

HOW CAN YOU SAY THEY DID NOT KNOW?

The Moment of Understanding​

Although the disciples struggled at times to accept what Jesus was saying, there is a clear moment when they finally understood.
At the Last Supper, Jesus again spoke of His death:


After He gave them bread and wine as symbols of His body and blood, Jesus said:

At this point, the disciples no longer questioned that Jesus was going to die. Their silence at the table, their sorrow in Gethsemane, and their reaction to His arrest all show that they finally knew what was coming.

Jesus had told them many times. But after the Last Supper, they stopped asking questions. Their sorrow became real, not just confusion.

After the Resurrection: Full Clarity and Witness​

When Jesus rose from the dead, He appeared first to His disciples—not Paul. He reminded them that everything had happened exactly as He had foretold.



From this moment, their understanding was complete. They understood both His death and His purpose. Jesus had taught them personally, opened their eyes to the Scriptures, and called them to be witnesses.

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The Disciples Testify Before Paul’s Conversion​

Before Paul ever met Jesus, the disciples were already teaching that Jesus died and rose again. On the day of Pentecost, Peter preached to the crowd:



Peter speaks boldly, proving that he now understands everything Jesus had told them. The disciples were the first witnesses, the first preachers of the gospel of Jesus' death and resurrection.

Paul, however, did not meet Jesus until later—after these events. His first encounter with Jesus came on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:3–6), when Jesus revealed Himself directly to Paul. But by then, the disciples had already seen, heard, believed, and were spreading the message.

The Disciples Knew First!!!​

Scripture clearly shows that:

• Jesus foretold His death multiple times to His disciples.
• They began to understand after His third clear prophecy.
• At the Last Supper, they finally accepted the truth.
• After the resurrection, Jesus opened their minds fully.
• The disciples were preaching the gospel before Paul ever believed.

Therefore, the original disciples knew of Jesus’ death and resurrection both in prophecy and in experience before Paul ever encountered Jesus. Their understanding came directly from the mouth of the Lord Himself.


Let this stand as a testimony to their faith and witness:



Their testimony they witnessed all this first hand!! they Knew first before anyone else. Their understanding came first. And it was they who were chosen to pass it on to the world just as Jesus asked them to do.

I responded to all this
I may have been wrong in saying you missed some....I dont know there are lots of posts

 

[Doug]

The devil used to try and tell me that as well

Have you sold all...................[Luk 18:22 KJV] 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Unlike you, I know that Jesus came to do away with the old covenant and He established the New Covenant and I'm living under the Law of Christ as taught in the New Covenant.

Hey, if you can't run with the big dogs you best stay up on the porch with the pups!

I'm beginning to see what you're about. Antagonism and twisting the words of others seems to be the only basis for substance to your diatribe.

Oh well, another one bites the dust...

BTW

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Have you sold all....

Have you not understood Jesus was specifically telling the rich young ruler to sell all and come follow Jesus because Jesus was inviting Him to be on His Staff?

Oh well, another one bites the dust...

Too bad to see you biting the dust. Be sure and remember to brush your teeth

 

[Doug]

After the Resurrection: Full Clarity and Witness​

When Jesus rose from the dead, He appeared first to His disciples—not Paul. He reminded them that everything had happened exactly as He had foretold.

From this moment, their understanding was complete. They understood both His death and His purpose. Jesus had taught them personally, opened their eyes to the Scriptures, and called them to be witnesses.

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You are saying when Christ opened their understanding, they got complete understanding which implies they understood alot but the scripture doesnt say that......it doesnt say he opended the scriptures so they would have all understanding

 

[Doug]

before I go any further, do you believe all that what Christ said? I need to know.

Christ for example in Matthew spoke of the kingdom of heaven which is the earthly kingdom which does to apply to me,,,,,,,,I am destined for his heavenly kingdom........I can learn of the kingdom of heaven but I dont consider myself as being a part of it

 

[LoveYeshua]

Of course all scripture is truth
I just dont think I am to obey it all but I can learn from all scripture

Every single word of jesus you have to know and do as He asks, if you do not, is shows and demonstrate you do not believe the son of God,and you shall not be saved.

for example: Jesus said "If you want to enter life, keep the commandments" (Mat 19:17), do you believe this?

This is serious your eternal salvation is at stake, me and many other here see this and try to warn you, why wont you listen. At least if you do not want to listen to us, listen to Christ and do as he asks!

 

[LoveYeshua]

You are saying when Christ opened their understanding, they got complete understanding which implies they understood alot but the scripture doesnt say that......it doesnt say he opended the scriptures so they would have all understanding

it does say they understood scripture and they did, as an example when i think if a reply for you or other, I Know what verses to apply even if I did not know these verses, that is the comforter or Holy Spirit working in those who have received it. The Holy Spirit also teaches you things and let you know of events to come, but that is for another time.

Luk 24:31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized Jesus—and He disappeared from their sight.

Luk 24:32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us as He spoke with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

As for having "all understanding" only God our father in heaven possesses it.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Christ for example in Matthew spoke of the kingdom of heaven which is the earthly kingdom which does to apply to me,,,,,,,,I am destined for his heavenly kingdom........I can learn of the kingdom of heaven but I dont consider myself as being a part of it

you are destined for the Kingdom of heaven only if Jesus wants you there, it is by HIS words and His words alone that we are all judged certainly not by Pauls gospel as he said here is the proof;

“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—
the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.”
(John 12:48)

are you afraid now? if not, you should be!

 

[LoveYeshua]

I responded to all this
I may have been wrong in saying you missed some....I dont know there are lots of posts

it's ok, dont worry