My Testimony Of The Rest

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1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. - Hebrews 4:1,6,8-11.


Since I came to understand that the world is a schoolhouse (God's schoolhouse) I have been able to put together better what it is he is doing in creation. Now most of our thought processing is based on 'the world is the Devil's house' and he rules it. I don't know exactly how I used to view that scenario but I Know I believed he ran the world, and in a since he does based on the scripture but it comes more through a nature or sin nature than him actually moving the chest pieces around as some suppose. Respect to all views with in reason but on a personal level I see it different than I once did, based on my understanding of the scripture.

What we can understand in scripture, and most bible student's I believe have a feel from scripture that God did something we need to enter into. Such as the rest, and looking from the Old Testament - Israel was to move into Canaan land and possess it as the Lord gives them direction. No longer to frail around in the wilderness but enter into the rest of God.

Now sticking with the idea the world is a schoolhouse - the sooner we realize the world is a schoolhouse the sooner we enter into the rest. Instead of frailing about in an unknown land, the wilderness, we enter into the understanding of what the rest is. You have to enter into the rest before you can describe what it is like. God told us what it is like but until you experience the rest we really don't understand.

You do understand types and shadows correct, so you know where I'm going with this. Our rest is a person 'Christ in you the Hope of glory.' When you get a witness in the scriptures and see everything personified 'in Christ' in my opinion you are on your way. You are seeing something that is written and you follw through with it. My experience that has been the way the Holyspirit has led me. Almost by my hard headedness to not give up even when it seemed like I was going nowhere. Well rephrase that - I was going somewhere but it seemed like I was going backwards to put it plain. I got to a place like alot of people and was asking the Lord 'what it was he wanted' because what I was doing didn't seem to work. Maybe at times but nothing really established and no rest for sure. I worked at it so hard that I didn't burn out - I wore out. I had come to an end of my self - scripture calls it 'wits end'. What I did in anger was ask the Lord in plain english - I didn't talk to him in the KJV this time but spoke like I would speak to another person. That felt good because it felt real - but my point is; I needed to know what it was he wanted, even if was just from me 'what do you want'.

You see when you have tried everything you know to do, it leaves you with no where else to go for answers. Of coarse I would have regular prayer time like a nice Christian boy should have. But at that point I was feeling like I had never been honest in my understanding, for whatever reason that is the way I felt.

long story short - sometime after that things began to change around. I had told the lord that I would do anything he asked me but I quit. No more flattery of the people, no more kicking in doors just to preach, no more religious jargon, and whatever I was saying but I was saying stuff I didn't know I could ever say. The freedom from just talking and being myself maybe for the first time in my life was a break through.

The scriptures seemed to take on new meaning, they actually meant something far more than I had ever understood. Scripture I had in me began to kind of weave together and fit and make since. I still had a lot of growing to do and still do - but thank God when you are ready he knows. He is the perfect father, he alone knows you better than you know yourself - he is your father he birthed you and knows exactly what you need in the time of need the scriptures say. Come boldly to the throne of grace in the time of need.

What he wants to give you is a lasting sustaining life of rest in the midst of turmoil. In this world you will have trouble Jesus said' but be of good cheer for I have overcome the world.' We have the overcomer in us as our life and he is the rest to the weary, where by you may cause the weary to rest. Bless you as you go through this world into Canaan land. Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and forever. Glory to his name, great is he and greatly to be praised! hallelujah!
 
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That the "world is a schoolhouse" may be the truth, but what is the "world"?

Jesus said this:

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

Jesus certainly overcame the world, but was it planet Earth that he overcame?

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." I John 2:16-17

Are those things, "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" floating around freely for any person to take hold of...? Perhaps in a sense, but what I see is those things in myself as the beast of me wanting to regain in what they once had, dominion over me leading me repeatedly to sin.

Jesus overcame those things in his own flesh without ever even once succumbing to them. That is to say, he never sinned. He started from natural birth with things none of the rest of us had. He did have an advantage, but God's purpose in sending Jesus to us was so that we could be where he is...and in that being like. What was Jesus advantage? The Word of God already Living in him or Him being that same Word! We need to receive the flesh of it and have it quickened within us. Now with Jesus and the Holy Spirit, is that not a possibility?

What is the reward of overcomers?

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7
 

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That the "world is a schoolhouse" may be the truth, but what is the "world"?

Jesus said this:

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

Jesus certainly overcame the world, but was it planet Earth that he overcame?

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." I John 2:16-17

Are those things, "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" floating around freely for any person to take hold of...? Perhaps in a sense, but what I see is those things in myself as the beast of me wanting to regain in what they once had, dominion over me leading me repeatedly to sin.

Jesus overcame those things in his own flesh without ever even once succumbing to them. That is to say, he never sinned. He started from natural birth with things none of the rest of us had. He did have an advantage, but God's purpose in sending Jesus to us was so that we could be where he is...and in that being like. What was Jesus advantage? The Word of God already Living in him or Him being that same Word! We need to receive the flesh of it and have it quickened within us. Now with Jesus and the Holy Spirit, is that not a possibility?

What is the reward of overcomers?

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

Good word!
 
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That the "world is a schoolhouse" may be the truth, but what is the "world"?

Jesus said this:

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

Jesus certainly overcame the world, but was it planet Earth that he overcame?

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." I John 2:16-17

Are those things, "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" floating around freely for any person to take hold of...? Perhaps in a sense, but what I see is those things in myself as the beast of me wanting to regain in what they once had, dominion over me leading me repeatedly to sin.

Jesus overcame those things in his own flesh without ever even once succumbing to them. That is to say, he never sinned. He started from natural birth with things none of the rest of us had. He did have an advantage, but God's purpose in sending Jesus to us was so that we could be where he is...and in that being like. What was Jesus advantage? The Word of God already Living in him or Him being that same Word! We need to receive the flesh of it and have it quickened within us. Now with Jesus and the Holy Spirit, is that not a possibility?

What is the reward of overcomers?

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

you should understand that biblically (KJV) the earth is dry land such as, "And God called the dry land Earth" whereas the world is the populous of mankind.

so no earth and world are two different things in the king's English but the same thing in the American's use of the king's English. so American influenced translations and paraphrased bibles might use world to mean earth.
 

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you should understand that biblically (KJV) the earth is dry land such as, "And God called the dry land Earth" whereas the world is the populous of mankind.

so no earth and world are two different things in the king's English but the same thing in the American's use of the king's English. so American influenced translations and paraphrased bibles might use world to mean earth.
And is the not the "dry land" [parched place] which is the "earth" each one of us was when we were born to our natural mothers'? That is to say, "Zion"!

Zion:

!wyc Tsiyown (tsee-yone'); Proper Name Location, Strong #: 6726

Zion = "parched place"

  1. another name for Jerusalem especially in the prophetic books
KJV Word Usage and Count
Zion 153
Sion 1

Then what was David seeking here?

"Surely I will not come into the tabernacle of my house, nor go up into my bed;
I will not give sleep to mine eyes, or slumber to mine eyelids,
Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob." Psalm 132:3-5

And what is the place for the LORD's habitation?

"For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it." Psalm 132:13-14

Yeah, that is us, parched land bearing no fruit!

What does it take to make parched dry land living, rich and fruitful?

"Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water." John 4:10

"In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." John 7:37-38

For what indeed was Jesus purpose?

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

And the new dwelling place of God and our new dwelling place... or as David expressed it, habitation? Does that not mean Jesus, the Head of the Body of Christ will have a place to lay his Head?

"And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." Matt 8:20

Is the Body ready to receive the Head? The Head is certainly ready!

"And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Col 1:17-18
 
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And is the not the "dry land" [parched place] which is the "earth" each one of us was when we were born to our natural mothers'? That is to say, "Zion"!

Zion:

!wyc Tsiyown (tsee-yone'); Proper Name Location, Strong #: 6726

Zion = "parched place"

  1. another name for Jerusalem especially in the prophetic books
KJV Word Usage and Count
Zion 153
Sion 1

Then what was David seeking here?

"Surely I will not come into the tabernacle of my house, nor go up into my bed;
I will not give sleep to mine eyes, or slumber to mine eyelids,
Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob." Psalm 132:3-5

And what is the place for the LORD's habitation?

"For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it." Psalm 132:13-14

Yeah, that is us, parched land bearing no fruit!

What does it take to make parched dry land living, rich and fruitful?

"Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water." John 4:10

"In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." John 7:37-38

For what indeed was Jesus purpose?

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

And the new dwelling place of God and our new dwelling place... or as David expressed it, habitation? Does that not mean Jesus, the Head of the Body of Christ will have a place to lay his Head?

"And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." Matt 8:20

Is the Body ready to receive the Head? The Head is certainly ready!

"And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Col 1:17-18

you can try and justify your views all you want God called the dry land "earth" not "world". and all the rest of what you've posted has to do with what?
 

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you can try and justify your views all you want God called the dry land "earth" not "world". and all the rest of what you've posted has to do with what?
I am sorry you cannot see what I see.
Increase us dear Lord!
 
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