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Matthew 25:14-30, 75 pounds of silver, that is what a single talent weighed in the first, not a coin you could slip into a pocket, a mass of metal you would need both arms to carry. When Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives days before his death and told a story about a man handing that kind of money to his servants, the disciples would not have thought about singing or leadership skills, they would have pictured the weight, what it takes to hold something that heavy and what it costs to risk it. The English word talent, meaning a natural ability, did not exist when Jesus told this parable, that meaning entered the language centuries later through medieval Latin precisely because of this story.

The Greek word “talanta” meant one thing, a unit of weight and by extension a sum of money equivalent to that weight in precious metal, the word itself is about burden, about holding something substantial that belongs to someone else. 2,000 years of English usage have obscured that and it matters, because once you recover what a talenton actually was, the parable stops being a motivational speech about using your gifts, it becomes something far more unsettling and far more personal. Jesus told this story in the last week of his life, that context is easy to forget, but it changes how you hear every word inside what scholars call the Olivet discourse, a long and private conversation between Jesus and his inner circle.

The story is deceptively simple, a man about to leave on a long journey calls three of his servants and entrusts them with his property, the Greek phrase Matthew uses is “ta hyparchonta autou,” his possessions, not a side fund, not petty cash, his estate and he distributes it according to a phrase that turns out to be more important than it first appears, “kata ten dynamin,” each according to his own ability. The word “dynamin” is a form of “dunamis” the Greek word for power, capacity, inherent ability, it is the root behind the English word dynamite, the master is not guessing, he knows these men, he has watched them work, he calibrates the trust to the person.

Five talents to one, two to another, one to the third, now do the math, one talent equaled roughly 6,000 denarius, a denarius was a standard day’s wage, so a single talent represented approximately 20 years of labor for an ordinary worker. Five talents, 100 years of wages, two talents, 40 years, even the servant who received one talent was holding two decades of someone else’s earnings in his arms, nobody in this parable was given something small. The first two servants do something with what they receive, Matthew records it briefly, the five talent servant trades and earns five more, the two talent servant does the same and earns two more, the text spends almost no time on the method, no business plan, no strategy session, no explanation of what trading looked like.
 

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Both the Parable of the Minas and the Talents are a parable about Satan's plan for while he is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. The man in both parables is Satan and how he will enable his good and faithful servants to impede the period of peace during God's establishment of His Everlasting Kingdom on the earth.

The man who goes away to get a kingdom believes that he is entitled to have the harvest of Souls even though he did not plant the fields or watered the seeds scattered. Revelation 12 is another revelation of the meaning within these parables, and we know that as soon as the man, i.e. Satan, goes away to supposedly get his kingdom, some of his servants, i.e. Israel, send a delegation after Satan to state that they no longer want Satan to be their master. In both the parable of the Minas and in Rev 12 we learn that when Satan is able to roam the face of the earth that he wants to kill the servants who no longer want Satan to be their master when he returns.

People who spiritualise the scripture such that every part of the scriptures is always about Christ/Jesus often have no understanding at all.

Shalom
 

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Both the Parable of the Minas and the Talents are a parable about Satan's plan for while he is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. The man in both parables is Satan and how he will enable his good and faithful servants to impede the period of peace during God's establishment of His Everlasting Kingdom on the earth.

The man who goes away to get a kingdom believes that he is entitled to have the harvest of Souls even though he did not plant the fields or watered the seeds scattered. Revelation 12 is another revelation of the meaning within these parables, and we know that as soon as the man, i.e. Satan, goes away to supposedly get his kingdom, some of his servants, i.e. Israel, send a delegation after Satan to state that they no longer want Satan to be their master. In both the parable of the Minas and in Rev 12 we learn that when Satan is able to roam the face of the earth that he wants to kill the servants who no longer want Satan to be their master when he returns.

People who spiritualise the scripture such that every part of the scriptures is always about Christ/Jesus often have no understanding at all.

Shalom
When Paul contrasts walking according to the flesh with walking according to the spirit, Romans 8:4-8, he is describing two organizing principles of human life, two fundamental orientations that determine how a person interprets reality, makes decisions and defines what matters. The mind of the flesh, according to verse 6, is death, not because the body is bad, but because a self-centered life closed to the influence of the spirit of God is operating outside the source from which all genuine life emanates. The mind of the spirit on the other hand, is life and peace, not as a reward for correct behavior, but as a natural consequence of being connected to that which sustains existence.
 

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When Paul contrasts walking according to the flesh with walking according to the spirit, Romans 8:4-8, he is describing two organizing principles of human life, two fundamental orientations that determine how a person interprets reality, makes decisions and defines what matters. The mind of the flesh, according to verse 6, is death, not because the body is bad, but because a self-centered life closed to the influence of the spirit of God is operating outside the source from which all genuine life emanates. The mind of the spirit on the other hand, is life and peace, not as a reward for correct behavior, but as a natural consequence of being connected to that which sustains existence.

What the?

Did you actually read what I had posted because it is relevant to what is unfolding today and in our near future.
 

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Ezekiel is claiming that this isn’t a vision of God sitting still in heaven’s throne room while life on earth continues below, this is a vision of God’s throne room, mobile, dynamic, moving through space and time with purpose and destination, the wheels are functional technology of Divine presence. God’s throne is mobile, not just mobility, but his method of surveillance, his instruments of judgment and the technology of Divine presence, the eyes aren’t watching from the surface, they’re watching from within. When the prophet describes the wheels, he uses a Hebrew construction that suggests layers, dimensions folding into one another. The phrase wheel within wheel, it’s Ezekiel struggling to describe something that exists in multiple dimensions simultaneously, these aren’t simple wheels rolling across terrain.
 

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When the creator God finally does put things right, God doesn’t act at a distance, he doesn’t give instructions from a long way off while keeping his own hands clean. God’s reason for making this world in the first place was because he wanted and still wants and intends to make this world his own home, he wants to fill all creation with his glory, his love, his power and his justice. God coming to dwell with people in this world and that’s why justice is such a priority. God wants to dwell with people and since he is the creator, he has set things in motion, so that things can be put right in advance of his final coming, when he will complete the job.
 

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God will do this work of judgment and justice, not because he’s a stern moralist, eager to pounce on and punish anybody who steps out of line, but because he is the good and wise creator, who longs to see his world reflecting and finally embodying his own glory. The Wilderness Tabernacle, was designed as a small working model of the whole of creation, the beginning of Genesis describes a world consisting of heaven and earth together, in other words, a temple. When Solomon built the Jerusalem temple, the glory of Yahweh came and filled it says the Psalms. Psalm 72, the coming King will do justice, rescuing the poor and the widows and the orphans, so that God’s glory may fill the whole earth, that is the larger promise to which the temple was pointing forward. Through the work of the coming King, God will put the whole world right, he will do restorative justice, in order to come and make it his glorious home. The King builds the temple, so that God’s glory can dwell there amidst the people. The King does justice for the poor and oppressed, so that God’s glory can flood the whole world.
 

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God is not the God of the dead, but of the living, this means that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are alive to God, in God’s presence. This doesn’t mean that they’ve already been resurrected, it means they are alive in God’s presence as they await the day when they will be bodily raised, their present disembodied existence in God’s presence is not their final destination, when God puts the world to rights, but will restore it and them. Jesus being bodily raised, leaving an empty tomb behind him, with his crucified body now transformed into an unprecedented new type of physicality, something genuinely new has been launched upon the world. God will remake his creation and will raise his people from the dead to share in it, indeed to rule over it, transforming them into newly embodied immortal humans after their time of being dead.
 

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Sorry @newnature, but I do not believe that you have grasped what I had posted in #2 above. None of your posts where you have referenced what I posted in response to your post #4 has dealt with what I had posts in my post #2.

At the moment you are talking at me as if I have no understanding.

Armageddon is presently unfolding before us and will occur when the kings of the earth assemble at a place called Armageddon to be judged as foretold in Isaiah 24:21-22 around the year 2045 AD plus or take a year or two on either side.

Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that the beasts, i.e. the four winds of heaven, will be judged along with Satan and the Little Horn in heaven and will be gathered with the judged kings of the earth and all will be imprisoned at the same time in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years before they are released for a little while period to do their worst.

In Ezekiel God informed the prophet that after the Armageddon event, as Paul indicated in Rom 11:25b-26, that God will gather the Israelites to Himself and plant them in His fertile soil and teach them about the religion which speaks of His Salvation Grace. In Ezekiel 36 God also told the Prophet that He would enter into a covenant of Peace with Israel for a period of time, i.e. 1,000 years, before the judged entities will be released for a period of time from the Bottomless pit and will be allowed to wonder across the face of the earth during the Little While Period of time at the end of the Seventh Age before the time of the final judgement.

I probably will not be drawing any breath around 2045 AD when the Armageddon Judgement will occur. If Armageddon has not occurred around 2045 AD then all of my posts on this forum will be like chaff that will be blown away just after that time.

Matt 24:32, indicates when the end of this present age will occur and when Armageddon will occur.

Shalom
 

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Sorry @newnature, but I do not believe that you have grasped what I had posted in #2 above. None of your posts where you have referenced what I posted in response to your post #4 has dealt with what I had posts in my post #2.

At the moment you are talking at me as if I have no understanding.

Armageddon is presently unfolding before us and will occur when the kings of the earth assemble at a place called Armageddon to be judged as foretold in Isaiah 24:21-22 around the year 2045 AD plus or take a year or two on either side.

Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that the beasts, i.e. the four winds of heaven, will be judged along with Satan and the Little Horn in heaven and will be gathered with the judged kings of the earth and all will be imprisoned at the same time in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years before they are released for a little while period to do their worst.

In Ezekiel God informed the prophet that after the Armageddon event, as Paul indicated in Rom 11:25b-26, that God will gather the Israelites to Himself and plant them in His fertile soil and teach them about the religion which speaks of His Salvation Grace. In Ezekiel 36 God also told the Prophet that He would enter into a covenant of Peace with Israel for a period of time, i.e. 1,000 years, before the judged entities will be released for a period of time from the Bottomless pit and will be allowed to wonder across the face of the earth during the Little While Period of time at the end of the Seventh Age before the time of the final judgement.

I probably will not be drawing any breath around 2045 AD when the Armageddon Judgement will occur. If Armageddon has not occurred around 2045 AD then all of my posts on this forum will be like chaff that will be blown away just after that time.

Matt 24:32, indicates when the end of this present age will occur and when Armageddon will occur.

Shalom
This is heart breaking. We are watching Ezekiel 38-39 playing out now.

 

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Both the Parable of the Minas and the Talents are a parable about Satan's plan for while he is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. The man in both parables is Satan and how he will enable his good and faithful servants to impede the period of peace during God's establishment of His Everlasting Kingdom on the earth.

The man who goes away to get a kingdom believes that he is entitled to have the harvest of Souls even though he did not plant the fields or watered the seeds scattered. Revelation 12 is another revelation of the meaning within these parables, and we know that as soon as the man, i.e. Satan, goes away to supposedly get his kingdom, some of his servants, i.e. Israel, send a delegation after Satan to state that they no longer want Satan to be their master. In both the parable of the Minas and in Rev 12 we learn that when Satan is able to roam the face of the earth that he wants to kill the servants who no longer want Satan to be their master when he returns.

People who spiritualise the scripture such that every part of the scriptures is always about Christ/Jesus often have no understanding at all.

Shalom
I have trouble seeing how this interpretation fits either the immediate context or the rest of Scripture.

In Luke 19, the nobleman goes away to receive a kingdom and later returns to reward faithful servants and judge those who rejected his rule. That pattern seems to fit Christ's departure and return much more naturally than Satan's activities during the thousand years.

Likewise, in Matthew 25 the master says, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant." Scripture consistently presents Christ as the one who rewards faithfulness, while Satan is described as the deceiver and adversary, not as one who praises and rewards good servants.

You also connect these parables with Revelation 12, but Revelation 12 describes Satan as the dragon and deceiver of the whole world. I do not see any mention there of Satan going away to receive a kingdom or returning to reward faithful servants.

Another difficulty is Luke 19:14, where the citizens say, "We will not that this man reign over us." This resembles the rejection Jesus experienced by His own people far more than a rejection of Satan.

Finally, Jesus Himself taught that the Scriptures testify of Him (John 5:39) and explained to the disciples the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures (Luke 24:27). Therefore, understanding the nobleman as representing Christ is not merely "spiritualizing everything"; it follows a pattern established by Jesus Himself.

Could you explain from Scripture where Satan is ever said to receive a kingdom from God, reward faithful servants, and judge those who refuse his rule? I am not aware of any passage that describes him in those terms.