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New Heaven

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Red_Letters88, Jul 15, 2008.

  1. Red_Letters88

    Red_Letters88 New Member

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    Here are some verses concentrated on the New Heaven. Ive always wondered though, why would Heaven need to be made new?Isaiah 65:17“ For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. Isaiah 66:22“ For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the LORD, “ So shall your descendants and your name remain. 2 Peter 3:13Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.Revelations 21:1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea..
     
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    Here are some verses concentrated on the New Heaven. Ive always wondered though, why would Heaven need to be made new?Isaiah 65:17“ For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. Isaiah 66:22“ For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the LORD, “ So shall your descendants and your name remain. 2 Peter 3:13Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.Revelations 21:1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea..
    This is something that has to do with the Three Earth Ages Brandon. When this "Earth and Heaven" will be destroyed, then the Third Earth Age is to come. When this "Earth and Heaven" is destroyed... our flesh body and materialism (in this world) is destroyed.The planet Earth stays the same... It's not going to be destroyed literally in a sense it would make me believe.
     
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    This is something that has to do with the Three Earth Ages Brandon. When this "Earth and Heaven" will be destroyed, then the Third Earth Age is to come. When this "Earth and Heaven" is destroyed... our flesh body and materialism (in this world) is destroyed.The planet Earth stays the same... It's not going to be destroyed literally in a sense it would make me believe.
    Agreed Jag the earth is never completly destroyed the rudiments (elements) are melted death and hell (lake of fire) are destroyed all is made new Perfect again like is was in the beginning. Ill find you verse's after awhile. But Denver has a study on this http://www.christianityboard.com/earth-age...-study-t79.html
     
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    I assure you that God did not create the world starting with sin, nor is the Earth is 6,000 years old.Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.II Peter 3:5 - For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:Genesis 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.Jeremiah 4:24 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.Jeremiah 4:25 - I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.Jeremiah 4:26 - I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.Jeremiah 4:27 - For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.II Peter 3:6 - Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:Genesis 1:3 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.II Peter 3:7 - But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Color coded for easier reading...
     
  5. Christina

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    Scripture Verses on New Heaven and New earth"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had PASSED AWAY. Also there was no more sea." (Revelation 21:1) This next verse tells us that the tabernacle of God will be coming down from heaven onto this new earth and that God Himself will literally be dwelling with all of us. It says that He will be our God and that we will be His people.This verse is also telling us that God will be wiping away every tear and that there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain. It then ends saying that all of the old and former things will now pass away, which will now make everything completely newAnd I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; and there shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." (Revelation 21:3-5) This next verse tells us that there will be no more temple because God and Jesus will now be the temple Themselves. It also tells us that we will no longer have the sun or moon because God Himself will be illuminating the earth with His glory.It also says there will be no more night, and that the gates of the new city of Jerusalem will always be open to all of the nations and that nothing that could possibly defile it will ever enter into it."But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its Temple. And the city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and the Lamb its light. And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there).And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life." (Revelation 21: 22-27) This next verse also tells us that there will be no more Adamic curse and once again, states that there will be no more night. It says we shall be able to see at least the face of Jesus, and that we shall reign with God forever and ever."And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. And there shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever." (Revelation 22:3-5) "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death".(Revelation 20:14) That is cease to exist there is death no hell Now here are the two specific verses about the new city of Jerusalem that will be coming down from heaven from God the Father and what it will be like."Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Revelation 21:2) "And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. And her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.And she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of Israel: three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he who talked with me had a gold reed to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. And the city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as its breadth ... And the construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass.And the foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, the fifth sardonyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass." (Revelation 21:10-21).
     
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    Well I appreciate it Jag and Kriss...but heres the thing- Im just wondering why the Lords "throne room" would need to be remade. Perhaps its all due to the completion and renewal of all things in the Lamb...but it was just an interesting idea ive been pondering.Im not really focused on how long the earth has been here or what the new heaven will look like....just why a place like Heaven should be remade. Of course I guess it could also be due to the fact that heaven has faced corruption a time or two before- which would make sense for Revelations 21 to say: And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life."
     
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    Well I appreciate it Jag and Kriss...but heres the thing- Im just wondering why the Lords "throne room" would need to be remade. Perhaps its all due to the completion and renewal of all things in the Lamb...but it was just an interesting idea ive been pondering.Im not really focused on how long the earth has been here or what the new heaven will look like....just why a place like Heaven should be remade. Of course I guess it could also be due to the fact that heaven has faced corruption a time or two before- which would make sense for Revelations 21 to say: And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life."
    Heaven is where God is, it will be on earth. Two thoughts come to mind here 1. the renewed heavens are the literal stars,planets this may have to do with all the heavenly bodies are moved out of place so they need to be restored. We are also told that we will have no night that God will be our only light so perhaps we no longer need a sun and moon. So God changes the planets and stars, sun and moon. 2. My second thought here is because heaven is now on earth, God may completely restructure heaven for the old things have passed away. There will no longer be any sin ect. So the whole hierarchy of the government of heaven may need to be changed as you have alluded to.But I'm willing to hear other thoughts on this.
     
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    Here are some verses concentrated on the New Heaven. Ive always wondered though, why would Heaven need to be made new?Isaiah 65:17“ For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. Isaiah 66:22“ For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the LORD, “ So shall your descendants and your name remain. 2 Peter 3:13Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.Revelations 21:1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea..
    Red_Letters88, Let me please point out something you might not have thought of. There is absolutely no reason for God to destroy His Heaven. There is no place in the universe as Holy as God's heaven!!! Why in the world would God destroy His dwelling place, just because some men turned baddd??? Just as was the case in early Bible times, the New Heavens has to do with the rulers over the earth. When God brought His people back after the dispersion to Babylon there was a New Heaven. God put in place of power a new group of rulers over His people. In Revelation 21:1, the Bible also speaks about a New Heaven and a New Earth. This all has to do with the Messianic Kingdom being the New Heaven, when God's Kingdom takes full control over the New Earth. The New Earth is the new society that will survive the Great Tribulation, Rev 7:14. Into that New Earth all the ones resurrected will be judged as to fitness to be granted everlasting life, John 3:16, Rev 21:3,4, John 5:28,29. The reason the sea is no more is because the sea is the unstable element of human soociety that is always in an agitated state just as the sea is. In Daniel we are told that the world ruling kingdoms come from the SEA, of mankind, Dan 7:1-8, 8:19-25. Human rulers over the nation of Israel were even called gods, Ps 82:6, John 10:34-36.
     
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    It's talking about a new heaven and earth age. The third heaven and earth age. Are you aware that we are currently living in the second heaven and earth age?
     
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    It's talking about a new heaven and earth age. The third heaven and earth age. Are you aware that we are currently living in the second heaven and earth age?
    Well Tom, thats fine and all but none of the verses I posted had the word "age" anywhere in them. Youre adding that to your interpretation, aren't you?
     
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    Well Tom, thats fine and all but none of the verses I posted had the word "age" anywhere in them. Youre adding that to your interpretation, aren't you?
    Brandon, it doesn't have to say age to know where we are at. Did not Christ say that Heaven and Earth shall pass away? (Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33) Did not God say that He created the Heaven and the Earth? (Genesis 1:1, Isaiah 45:18) Did not God say that He will create a "new" Earth and "new" Heaven and the former shall not be remembered anymore at all? (Isaiah 65:17) Did not John saw that there was a "new" Earth and "new" Heaven? (Revelation 21:1) Shall Satan be in there? (Isaiah 14:12-15, Ezekiel 28:18-19, Revelation 20:14)Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, talks about the end of this world. (Age in modern bibles) The end of flesh age will end and we shall be in our spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44, I Thessalonians 4:16-17)
     
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    Here are some verses concentrated on the New Heaven. Ive always wondered though, why would Heaven need to be made new?Isaiah 65:17“ For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. Isaiah 66:22“ For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the LORD, “ So shall your descendants and your name remain. 2 Peter 3:13Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.Revelations 21:1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea..
    Red_Letters88, You are perceptive to wonder why God would destroy His own Heaven. really why would He?? Could it be that God would destroy His own Dwelling place because man turned out to be unrighteous, on earth??? In the Hebrew Scriptures what was called the New Heavens was a new ruling group over the nation of Israel. At Isaiah 65:17-25, it was described what this New Heaven and New Earth was back then, but there were things mentioned that has never taken place, even until now. Many times the KEY to understanding the Christian Greek Scriptures, is an ubderstanding of the Hebrew Scriptures. When the New Heavens is mentioned in the Greek Scriptures it is speaking about the Kingdom of God that we are told to pray for, at Matt 6:9,10. The same is the New Heaven mentioned at rev 21:1,2. The New Heavens will be made up of Jesus along with Kings and Priests who are mentioned at rev 20:4-6. The New Earth is made up of the ones resurrected back to earth, ruled over by the Kingdom, The New Heavens, John 5:28,29, Rev 21:3,4.
     
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    You want to know why the Heaven of the Angels would need to be remade? It's the battlesite of two wars.1st- Satan's rebellion2nd- Satan's attack on the Heaven of Angels at the same time the Beast attacks the world.
     
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