The thing is you have No evidence of many things men claim in scripture you have no evidence of incest you draw conclusions It is a proven point that all races could not come from Noah so it is common sense others had to survive the hebrew suggests there were others on the Ark. You can have no answeres or understand God gave us some answers they are just vague and not what the story was about. God created the all things the hebrew language itself is Holy each letter can have a book written on it each letter it is said that each was spoken in combination to create all things it is a number langusge and a picture language the bible has hidden acrostics (holy words) written into it to avoid changing it My point is we are talking the Word of God written in his holy language we must assume he was very specicfic about which words he used. You can not understand deeper teachings without this language. If God uses the word Kennite Im going to take him at his Word. But even if you choose not to the fact remains the kennites are negative side of GodsWord they are the Jews who say they are Jews but are not in Rev. (see church of Smyrna and philidelphia)these are the only two churchs God was pleased with because they taught this. There were more kenites later as there was a second influx of fallen angels. they have always worked contrary to Gods Word. They are dispersed among us these days. Gods wants you to know it. He wants us to know that just as the kennites found their way into the Royal priest line they are in our pulpits today. They are in places of Power to bring about a one World system.
Noah's Flood and Serpent Seed
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Hi Whirlwind!!Why would you think their account be the same if they were not of the lineage of Noah? If two and two... why don't they have the story representing their lineage? Why are there not other accounts speaking of others if the Bible was just about Noah and his family? It looks to me that they are all saying the same story because we are of the same family.
Good morning Pariah, I would think the account would have to be the same if they were all on the same boat. The story of Noah wasn't about the lineage of the Chinese, Africans, Indians, etc....it was about the lineage of Christ. Two of all races were saved on the ark and those two began their race anew but the story was the story of Christ and His family.
There are two links that I gave you. The first link, you would have to scroll down a bit to see the pictograph of the Chinese word for boat. They are made up of several words to make up that pictograph. For "boat", there are three symbols that make up the pictograph for "boat". "Vessel" , "eight", and "mouths" or "persons" were the symbols representing boat. If other people were on there, that number of mouths would have been more. I believe it is significant that only eight was mentioned. If the Chinese were not of Noah, then their account would have been different, yes?
I see what you are saying. The only answer I can give you is that the story was about the 8 Adamic souls. The other races were also on the ark so the account wouldn't be different. The story was about Noah....not the races. As our Bible is the inspired Word, perhaps He also inspired their account.
Incidentally, there are scientific tools that can link us all to each other.
Thank you but I find (usually) that the creationist try to prove their points without complete knowledge....in other words they fail to understand the depth of Genesis. They stick to the 6,000 year age of earth. If they are so wrong on that then are they any better than the evolutionist that are also so wrong?
Anyway.. as to your explanation of Genesis 7...Let us take Genesis 7:9 in context of the entire chapter, and we should see that all that God has just commanded was in references to the clean beasts that had the breath of life for they breathe through their nostrils as well. From the moment the Lord gave the command to Noah to come.... and then to verse 3.. all references to clean beasts and clean animals, male and female. That was all God had commanded Noah at the time He had said Come.... thus I am understanding verse 9 to be beasts or as in animals.
You must expand that to include ALL FLESH, not just animals, but all flesh that had breath of life.
Genesis 7: 1And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. 4For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. 5And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him. 6And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth. 7And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. 8Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, 9There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. I understand the use of verse 21, but don't you find it odd that it bothered to mentioned man and not so in regards to boarding the ark? Animals have the breath of life through their nostrils, Genesis 6:21. To me, that was God referring to those living things that breathed air. Man was not mentioned as boarding the ark, because God only called Noah and his family onto it. Tell me how come no other races were stated as leaving the ark, only animals?
It is odd but it is in keeping with all other scripture. Perhaps it is clearer in Hebrew but regardless it wasn't clear to many when the races were first created either. Many now believe their creation was that of Adam. For whatever reason, God never went into detail about any line except that of Christ....it is after all, His story.
Genesis 8: 15And God spake unto Noah, saying, 16Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee. 17Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth. 18And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him: 19Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark. Or how about when God blessed Noah and his sons to multiply? Why no commandment to the other races to multiply or why specifically refer to all living things to be in the hands of Noah and his family?
It is the story of Christ....not the races. :shepard:
Again, only animals are mentioned, not other races of man. I believe I am reading this right as it continues to support what I believe to be true. I think the kenites teachings is just trying to insert inbetween the lines and imply by certain terms to accomodate the kennites being of the line of Cain as the ones that crucified Jesus.
His Word tells us that they did. They are still at work today.
ray3:.........Whirlwind
Hi Whirlwind!!Why would you think their account be the same if they were not of the lineage of Noah? If two and two... why don't they have the story representing their lineage? Why are there not other accounts speaking of others if the Bible was just about Noah and his family? It looks to me that they are all saying the same story because we are of the same family.
Good morning Pariah, I would think the account would have to be the same if they were all on the same boat. The story of Noah wasn't about the lineage of the Chinese, Africans, Indians, etc....it was about the lineage of Christ. Two of all races were saved on the ark and those two began their race anew but the story was the story of Christ and His family.
There are two links that I gave you. The first link, you would have to scroll down a bit to see the pictograph of the Chinese word for boat. They are made up of several words to make up that pictograph. For "boat", there are three symbols that make up the pictograph for "boat". "Vessel" , "eight", and "mouths" or "persons" were the symbols representing boat. If other people were on there, that number of mouths would have been more. I believe it is significant that only eight was mentioned. If the Chinese were not of Noah, then their account would have been different, yes?
I see what you are saying. The only answer I can give you is that the story was about the 8 Adamic souls. The other races were also on the ark so the account wouldn't be different. The story was about Noah....not the races. As our Bible is the inspired Word, perhaps He also inspired their account.
Incidentally, there are scientific tools that can link us all to each other.
Thank you but I find (usually) that the creationist try to prove their points without complete knowledge....in other words they fail to understand the depth of Genesis. They stick to the 6,000 year age of earth. If they are so wrong on that then are they any better than the evolutionist that are also so wrong?
Anyway.. as to your explanation of Genesis 7...Let us take Genesis 7:9 in context of the entire chapter, and we should see that all that God has just commanded was in references to the clean beasts that had the breath of life for they breathe through their nostrils as well. From the moment the Lord gave the command to Noah to come.... and then to verse 3.. all references to clean beasts and clean animals, male and female. That was all God had commanded Noah at the time He had said Come.... thus I am understanding verse 9 to be beasts or as in animals.
You must expand that to include ALL FLESH, not just animals, but all flesh that had breath of life.
Genesis 7: 1And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. 4For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. 5And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him. 6And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth. 7And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. 8Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, 9There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. I understand the use of verse 21, but don't you find it odd that it bothered to mentioned man and not so in regards to boarding the ark? Animals have the breath of life through their nostrils, Genesis 6:21. To me, that was God referring to those living things that breathed air. Man was not mentioned as boarding the ark, because God only called Noah and his family onto it. Tell me how come no other races were stated as leaving the ark, only animals?
It is odd but it is in keeping with all other scripture. Perhaps it is clearer in Hebrew but regardless it wasn't clear to many when the races were first created either. Many now believe their creation was that of Adam. For whatever reason, God never went into detail about any line except that of Christ....it is after all, His story.
Genesis 8: 15And God spake unto Noah, saying, 16Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee. 17Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth. 18And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him: 19Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark. Or how about when God blessed Noah and his sons to multiply? Why no commandment to the other races to multiply or why specifically refer to all living things to be in the hands of Noah and his family?
It is the story of Christ....not the races. :shepard:
Again, only animals are mentioned, not other races of man. I believe I am reading this right as it continues to support what I believe to be true. I think the kenites teachings is just trying to insert inbetween the lines and imply by certain terms to accomodate the kennites being of the line of Cain as the ones that crucified Jesus.
His Word tells us that they did. They are still at work today.
ray3:.........WhirlwindHello Pariahhere is the link I told you I would find it is a long read but very well worth it http://www.christianityboard.com/pharisees...986.html?t=3986
Hi kriss,
The thing is you have No evidence of many things men claim in scripture you have no evidence of incest you draw conclusions
Genesis 20: 11And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. 12And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. Leviticus 18: 9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover...... 24Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled) 28That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. 29For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.Thus the command given out was to end the practise of marrying within the family as these were things committed before them as Abraham had committed them but he did not sin, because he was fulfilling God's command to multiply. It's like this... the Ten Commandments was given when? Why not when Adam and Eve started out? And yet, incest was not given out then, because I know why...God gave the command to multiply as there was only Adam and Eve.Look at Genesis 2 below and see how God went from the seventh day and that He rested from ALL His labours. Then take note of verse 4 in how it is written about the generations of man in which God had created. Now don't stop there, because He is recapping the story of the creation of man by going into detail what had happened. Proof? Verse 5 stated that there was no man to till the ground. AND.. it is written about how God dealt with that as there was no man to till the ground in verse 6. Thus from that point on, He went into going over the creation of man in more detail.Genesis 2: 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Man. Not Adam as if implying a royal line seperated from the others. It is written man. Man became a living soul. I read that as the first man to be created to have a living soul. If there were others, why state it as that? Especially after just stating that there was no man to till the ground?Maybe you guys are having a hard time believing Abraham married his sister, but the scriptures do not lie... AND he did not commit incest, because it was not considered incest when the command was to multiply.Romans 5: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 7: 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.Anyway, if there were other races beside Adam and Eve, how did they inheritted sin and death? It would only follow Adam's and Eve's line, yes? It is by Adam we all inheritted sin and by Adam we are all "fallen" to die because of sin. Romans 5: 12-21
The thing is you have No evidence of many things men claim in scripture you have no evidence of incest you draw conclusions
Genesis 20: 11And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. 12And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. Leviticus 18: 9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover...... 24Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled) 28That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. 29For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.Thus the command given out was to end the practise of marrying within the family as these were things committed before them as Abraham had committed them but he did not sin, because he was fulfilling God's command to multiply. It's like this... the Ten Commandments was given when? Why not when Adam and Eve started out? And yet, incest was not given out then, because I know why...God gave the command to multiply as there was only Adam and Eve.Look at Genesis 2 below and see how God went from the seventh day and that He rested from ALL His labours. Then take note of verse 4 in how it is written about the generations of man in which God had created. Now don't stop there, because He is recapping the story of the creation of man by going into detail what had happened. Proof? Verse 5 stated that there was no man to till the ground. AND.. it is written about how God dealt with that as there was no man to till the ground in verse 6. Thus from that point on, He went into going over the creation of man in more detail.Genesis 2: 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Man. Not Adam as if implying a royal line seperated from the others. It is written man. Man became a living soul. I read that as the first man to be created to have a living soul. If there were others, why state it as that? Especially after just stating that there was no man to till the ground?Maybe you guys are having a hard time believing Abraham married his sister, but the scriptures do not lie... AND he did not commit incest, because it was not considered incest when the command was to multiply.Romans 5: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 7: 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.Anyway, if there were other races beside Adam and Eve, how did they inheritted sin and death? It would only follow Adam's and Eve's line, yes? It is by Adam we all inheritted sin and by Adam we are all "fallen" to die because of sin. Romans 5: 12-21
Hi Whirlwind,
I would think the account would have to be the same if they were all on the same boat. The story of Noah wasn't about the lineage of the Chinese, Africans, Indians, etc....it was about the lineage of Christ. Two of all races were saved on the ark and those two began their race anew but the story was the story of Christ and His family.
But the other Flood Legends wouldn't be compelled to speak of the lineage of Christ if the legend did not testify of Him. The Flood legends are about the survivors of the people speaking of the origin of their people.
It is odd but it is in keeping with all other scripture. Perhaps it is clearer in Hebrew but regardless it wasn't clear to many when the races were first created either. Many now believe their creation was that of Adam. For whatever reason, God never went into detail about any line except that of Christ....it is after all, His story.
Wouldn't it be more meaningful to everyone if they were of Adam? Wouldn't the Old Testament be a witness of their origin and of the God that created them? I believe God is more personal than that. We do have these verse in scriptures to testify to that.One is why Eve was called Eve. Genesis 3: 16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. 20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.And take note of the curse... it is specific... as unto Adam.. not all of man for there were no other men. And the curse was unto Adam's wife as unto her, the woman. And God only made coverings for Adam and Eve because of their sin.Now unto Adam being of all the living.Malachi 2: 10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?Seems to me if the kenites snuck in there, they would not have said that, yes?
I would think the account would have to be the same if they were all on the same boat. The story of Noah wasn't about the lineage of the Chinese, Africans, Indians, etc....it was about the lineage of Christ. Two of all races were saved on the ark and those two began their race anew but the story was the story of Christ and His family.
But the other Flood Legends wouldn't be compelled to speak of the lineage of Christ if the legend did not testify of Him. The Flood legends are about the survivors of the people speaking of the origin of their people.
It is odd but it is in keeping with all other scripture. Perhaps it is clearer in Hebrew but regardless it wasn't clear to many when the races were first created either. Many now believe their creation was that of Adam. For whatever reason, God never went into detail about any line except that of Christ....it is after all, His story.
Wouldn't it be more meaningful to everyone if they were of Adam? Wouldn't the Old Testament be a witness of their origin and of the God that created them? I believe God is more personal than that. We do have these verse in scriptures to testify to that.One is why Eve was called Eve. Genesis 3: 16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. 20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.And take note of the curse... it is specific... as unto Adam.. not all of man for there were no other men. And the curse was unto Adam's wife as unto her, the woman. And God only made coverings for Adam and Eve because of their sin.Now unto Adam being of all the living.Malachi 2: 10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?Seems to me if the kenites snuck in there, they would not have said that, yes?
Hi kriss,
Hello Pariahhere is the link I told you I would find it is a long read but very well worth it http://www.christianityboard.com/pha...86.html?t=3986
I had to open another window. I hit that link and that page where I was at froze there still. It did not take me anywhere. I tried closing that window and it is still there! It has happened at other times when I hit a link but not all the time nor just in this forum.Anyway... maybe you better give me directions to that thread as in folder and title?
Hello Pariahhere is the link I told you I would find it is a long read but very well worth it http://www.christianityboard.com/pha...86.html?t=3986
I had to open another window. I hit that link and that page where I was at froze there still. It did not take me anywhere. I tried closing that window and it is still there! It has happened at other times when I hit a link but not all the time nor just in this forum.Anyway... maybe you better give me directions to that thread as in folder and title?
(Pariah;24704)
Hi kriss,Genesis 20: 11And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. 12And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. Leviticus 18: 9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover...... 24Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled) 28That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. 29For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.Thus the command given out was to end the practise of marrying within the family as these were things committed before them as Abraham had committed them but he did not sin, because he was fulfilling God's command to multiply. It's like this... the Ten Commandments was given when? Why not when Adam and Eve started out? And yet, incest was not given out then, because I know why...God gave the command to multiply as there was only Adam and Eve.Look at Genesis 2 below and see how God went from the seventh day and that He rested from ALL His labours. Then take note of verse 4 in how it is written about the generations of man in which God had created. Now don't stop there, because He is recapping the story of the creation of man by going into detail what had happened. Proof? Verse 5 stated that there was no man to till the ground. AND.. it is written about how God dealt with that as there was no man to till the ground in verse 6. Thus from that point on, He went into going over the creation of man in more detail.Genesis 2: 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Man. Not Adam as if implying a royal line seperated from the others. It is written man. Man became a living soul. I read that as the first man to be created to have a living soul. If there were others, why state it as that? Especially after just stating that there was no man to till the ground?Maybe you guys are having a hard time believing Abraham married his sister, but the scriptures do not lie... AND he did not commit incest, because it was not considered incest when the command was to multiply.Romans 5: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 7: 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.Anyway, if there were other races beside Adam and Eve, how did they inheritted sin and death? It would only follow Adam's and Eve's line, yes? It is by Adam we all inheritted sin and by Adam we are all "fallen" to die because of sin. Romans 5: 12-21
I didnt say there was no incest in the Bible I said we assume there was incest between Adam and Eve and there children there is No where it says Adam and Eve or Seth or Cain committed incest it is speculation onlyI say they did not for I will not believe God set up the Blood line of Christ on the sin of incest. Now you can argue that the law didnt exist but I disagree first was the Word Gods law did exist for him even if we didnt know it yet also the law of Nature existed and we do not have Generations of birth defects from years of incestous behavior. I say God would have never been the cause of the sin of incest having to be preformed because of no other choice I prefer to follow the Word on the sixth day God created men (and the races )on the seventh day he rested Then he created a special man the hebrew says THE MAN (Ha Adam) put him in a protected place (the Garden) This speacial man was to be the bloodline of Christ. This six day creation is who Cain was afraid of it is where his wife came fromthey are who lived in the cities Cain built.They are also where the wifes/husbands of Adams other children came fromYou must also remember each one of these days was 1000 human years long (2 Peter) one day with God is 1000 years to man
Hi kriss,Genesis 20: 11And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. 12And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. Leviticus 18: 9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover...... 24Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled) 28That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. 29For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.Thus the command given out was to end the practise of marrying within the family as these were things committed before them as Abraham had committed them but he did not sin, because he was fulfilling God's command to multiply. It's like this... the Ten Commandments was given when? Why not when Adam and Eve started out? And yet, incest was not given out then, because I know why...God gave the command to multiply as there was only Adam and Eve.Look at Genesis 2 below and see how God went from the seventh day and that He rested from ALL His labours. Then take note of verse 4 in how it is written about the generations of man in which God had created. Now don't stop there, because He is recapping the story of the creation of man by going into detail what had happened. Proof? Verse 5 stated that there was no man to till the ground. AND.. it is written about how God dealt with that as there was no man to till the ground in verse 6. Thus from that point on, He went into going over the creation of man in more detail.Genesis 2: 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Man. Not Adam as if implying a royal line seperated from the others. It is written man. Man became a living soul. I read that as the first man to be created to have a living soul. If there were others, why state it as that? Especially after just stating that there was no man to till the ground?Maybe you guys are having a hard time believing Abraham married his sister, but the scriptures do not lie... AND he did not commit incest, because it was not considered incest when the command was to multiply.Romans 5: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 7: 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.Anyway, if there were other races beside Adam and Eve, how did they inheritted sin and death? It would only follow Adam's and Eve's line, yes? It is by Adam we all inheritted sin and by Adam we are all "fallen" to die because of sin. Romans 5: 12-21
I didnt say there was no incest in the Bible I said we assume there was incest between Adam and Eve and there children there is No where it says Adam and Eve or Seth or Cain committed incest it is speculation onlyI say they did not for I will not believe God set up the Blood line of Christ on the sin of incest. Now you can argue that the law didnt exist but I disagree first was the Word Gods law did exist for him even if we didnt know it yet also the law of Nature existed and we do not have Generations of birth defects from years of incestous behavior. I say God would have never been the cause of the sin of incest having to be preformed because of no other choice I prefer to follow the Word on the sixth day God created men (and the races )on the seventh day he rested Then he created a special man the hebrew says THE MAN (Ha Adam) put him in a protected place (the Garden) This speacial man was to be the bloodline of Christ. This six day creation is who Cain was afraid of it is where his wife came fromthey are who lived in the cities Cain built.They are also where the wifes/husbands of Adams other children came fromYou must also remember each one of these days was 1000 human years long (2 Peter) one day with God is 1000 years to man
Pariah the link I gave you is in the discussion forum its titled Phararisees,Saducees AKA KennitesAlso I was reading the book of Jasher tonight though not scripture it is mentioned in the bible I found the following verse thought you might find thought provking.4.And all the living creatures that were in the ark were terrified, and the lions roared, and the oxen lowed, and the wolves howled, and every living creature in the ark spoke and lamented in its own language, so that their voices reached to a great distance, and Noah and his sons cried and wept in their troubles; they were greatly afraid that they had reached the gates of death.
(Pariah;24708)
Hi Whirlwind,But the other Flood Legends wouldn't be compelled to speak of the lineage of Christ if the legend did not testify of Him. The Flood legends are about the survivors of the people speaking of the origin of their people.
I understand your point but that is why I said God may also have inspired their accounts as well as His Bible. The story of the flood is about our Saviour's family. He is also their (the different races) Saviour. No matter who was on the ark....it is about Noah and the One that would come from him.
Wouldn't it be more meaningful to everyone if they were of Adam? Wouldn't the Old Testament be a witness of their origin and of the God that created them? I believe God is more personal than that. We do have these verse in scriptures to testify to that.
Our spirits are of Adam...all of our spirits, no matter what race we are.
One is why Eve was called Eve. Genesis 3: 16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. 20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Eve is the mother of all living. If anyone will live eternally you must believe in her offspring - Christ. So.....she is the mother of all living (eternally.)
And take note of the curse... it is specific... as unto Adam.. not all of man for there were no other men. And the curse was unto Adam's wife as unto her, the woman. And God only made coverings for Adam and Eve because of their sin.
Again, the Biblical account is concerned with Adam and Eve....the family of Christ. He does not tell us about the others in detail. He does tell us they were there but it is not their story.
Now unto Adam being of all the living.Malachi 2: 10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?Seems to me if the kenites snuck in there, they would not have said that, yes?
Adam, as Eve, were the parents of All Living - eternally. It speaks of their souls living forever. Adam was the father of all living eternally. The Kenites, unless they accept Christ, will not be living forever...in other words, Adam is not their father.John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.47.He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."Christ Himself tells us that the children of Satan are not of God. However, they can repent and accept Christ.........Whirlwind
Hi Whirlwind,But the other Flood Legends wouldn't be compelled to speak of the lineage of Christ if the legend did not testify of Him. The Flood legends are about the survivors of the people speaking of the origin of their people.
I understand your point but that is why I said God may also have inspired their accounts as well as His Bible. The story of the flood is about our Saviour's family. He is also their (the different races) Saviour. No matter who was on the ark....it is about Noah and the One that would come from him.
Wouldn't it be more meaningful to everyone if they were of Adam? Wouldn't the Old Testament be a witness of their origin and of the God that created them? I believe God is more personal than that. We do have these verse in scriptures to testify to that.
Our spirits are of Adam...all of our spirits, no matter what race we are.
One is why Eve was called Eve. Genesis 3: 16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. 20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Eve is the mother of all living. If anyone will live eternally you must believe in her offspring - Christ. So.....she is the mother of all living (eternally.)
And take note of the curse... it is specific... as unto Adam.. not all of man for there were no other men. And the curse was unto Adam's wife as unto her, the woman. And God only made coverings for Adam and Eve because of their sin.
Again, the Biblical account is concerned with Adam and Eve....the family of Christ. He does not tell us about the others in detail. He does tell us they were there but it is not their story.
Now unto Adam being of all the living.Malachi 2: 10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?Seems to me if the kenites snuck in there, they would not have said that, yes?
Adam, as Eve, were the parents of All Living - eternally. It speaks of their souls living forever. Adam was the father of all living eternally. The Kenites, unless they accept Christ, will not be living forever...in other words, Adam is not their father.John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.47.He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."Christ Himself tells us that the children of Satan are not of God. However, they can repent and accept Christ.........Whirlwind
(Pariah;24142)
Umm....I thought in Genesis, it declared that it was not considered sin/incest because the human race was starting out... and were commanded to multiply. Here we see in Genesis 20, the carrying out of that commandment still before Leviticus 6-18 put an end to it as there were enough people now to not marry within the family.Genesis 20: 8Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid. 9Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done. 10And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing? 11And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. 12And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. 13And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother. 14And Abimelech took sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and womenservants, and gave them unto Abraham, and restored him Sarah his wife. It was Leviticus 18 that the Lord decreed from that time on that it was an abomination to marry your sister or even as Abraham had done, but Abraham had not sinned, because it was not decreed as sin yet.Leviticus 18: 1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God. 3After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. 5Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. 6None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD..... 9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. Incidentally, this may help further the knowledge that we are all related to one another as new scientific and mathematic tools have detected Adam and Eve. http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/....html#wp1273100I am not familiar with the kenites or the other races or seeds of Satan, but I believe you may find this interesting.Here is another link to how the human race developed.http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/....html#wp2934642I would like to point out that when Jacob came out, he was smooth skinned as opposed to his brother, Esau, that was hairy all over with coarse red hair for Biblical evidence of differentiation within the family.Acts 17: 24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; I got the above verses from this link below.http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/race-definition.htmlI believe there is another verse somewhere about how we all have one father, Malachi 2: 10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? I think that was the one I was trying to remember. Anyway, hopes this helps?
Hi Pariah,This is an interesting subject.I want you to think closely, though, about Genesis, chapter 20 about what Abraham said. Remember, he was trying to "cover his butt" in front of Abimelech for having "lied" to him about Sarah.Think about this very carefully. How can Sarah be the daughter of his father, but not the daughter of his mother? This is a real brainteaser.Explanation: The Hebrew words, "erach" and "achoth" for "brother and sister" do NOT necessarily denote an "immediate" family relation. "Erach and achoth can ALSO mean "kindred", or "Like a brother or sister", OR, a fellow countryman.There was NO incest. God did not allow incest in any shape or form, not even with Adam and Eve.So it is very possible that Sarah was NOT immediate blood relation to Abraham.Next, there is the argument that there may have been TWO creations in the book of Genesis. In the first few chapters, on the 6th day, God creates men, male and female, and said "be fruitful and multiply."But Adam was created AFTER the seventh day, AFTER God rested. Why? Because Adam was special. He was the "first High Priest of God after the order of Melchizidek". He was created for a special purpose.NOTE: Adam and Eve didn't have children UNTIL AFTER the Fall. If they were part of the 6th day creation, they would have been fruitful and multiplied and already had children.After the creation of Adam.....Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."Note: Called THEIR NAME Adam. Which means he created a whole family of people called "Adamites". Because the word "Adam" or "Awdawm" was not Adam's name, but his description as "Adam" means "red, ruddy complexion, or to show blood in the face".So, there were people already on the earth when Adam and Eve came into being. And Adam and Eve's children had plenty of others to pick from when they chose husbands and wives.Again, the Hebrew words for "brother and sister" do not necessarily denote "immediate" blood relative.Another clue:Cain murdered Abel. Then Adam and Eve had Seth to carry on the priestly line. Cain was driven out and went east. He then took a wife. Where did his wife come from?AND, who was Cain afraid of when God sent him out of Eden? Which is why God placed a "mark" on Cain so that whoever saw him would know who he is and leave him alone.Kim
Umm....I thought in Genesis, it declared that it was not considered sin/incest because the human race was starting out... and were commanded to multiply. Here we see in Genesis 20, the carrying out of that commandment still before Leviticus 6-18 put an end to it as there were enough people now to not marry within the family.Genesis 20: 8Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid. 9Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done. 10And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing? 11And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. 12And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. 13And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother. 14And Abimelech took sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and womenservants, and gave them unto Abraham, and restored him Sarah his wife. It was Leviticus 18 that the Lord decreed from that time on that it was an abomination to marry your sister or even as Abraham had done, but Abraham had not sinned, because it was not decreed as sin yet.Leviticus 18: 1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God. 3After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. 4Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. 5Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. 6None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD..... 9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. Incidentally, this may help further the knowledge that we are all related to one another as new scientific and mathematic tools have detected Adam and Eve. http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/....html#wp1273100I am not familiar with the kenites or the other races or seeds of Satan, but I believe you may find this interesting.Here is another link to how the human race developed.http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/....html#wp2934642I would like to point out that when Jacob came out, he was smooth skinned as opposed to his brother, Esau, that was hairy all over with coarse red hair for Biblical evidence of differentiation within the family.Acts 17: 24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; I got the above verses from this link below.http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/race-definition.htmlI believe there is another verse somewhere about how we all have one father, Malachi 2: 10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? I think that was the one I was trying to remember. Anyway, hopes this helps?
Hi Pariah,This is an interesting subject.I want you to think closely, though, about Genesis, chapter 20 about what Abraham said. Remember, he was trying to "cover his butt" in front of Abimelech for having "lied" to him about Sarah.Think about this very carefully. How can Sarah be the daughter of his father, but not the daughter of his mother? This is a real brainteaser.Explanation: The Hebrew words, "erach" and "achoth" for "brother and sister" do NOT necessarily denote an "immediate" family relation. "Erach and achoth can ALSO mean "kindred", or "Like a brother or sister", OR, a fellow countryman.There was NO incest. God did not allow incest in any shape or form, not even with Adam and Eve.So it is very possible that Sarah was NOT immediate blood relation to Abraham.Next, there is the argument that there may have been TWO creations in the book of Genesis. In the first few chapters, on the 6th day, God creates men, male and female, and said "be fruitful and multiply."But Adam was created AFTER the seventh day, AFTER God rested. Why? Because Adam was special. He was the "first High Priest of God after the order of Melchizidek". He was created for a special purpose.NOTE: Adam and Eve didn't have children UNTIL AFTER the Fall. If they were part of the 6th day creation, they would have been fruitful and multiplied and already had children.After the creation of Adam.....Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."Note: Called THEIR NAME Adam. Which means he created a whole family of people called "Adamites". Because the word "Adam" or "Awdawm" was not Adam's name, but his description as "Adam" means "red, ruddy complexion, or to show blood in the face".So, there were people already on the earth when Adam and Eve came into being. And Adam and Eve's children had plenty of others to pick from when they chose husbands and wives.Again, the Hebrew words for "brother and sister" do not necessarily denote "immediate" blood relative.Another clue:Cain murdered Abel. Then Adam and Eve had Seth to carry on the priestly line. Cain was driven out and went east. He then took a wife. Where did his wife come from?AND, who was Cain afraid of when God sent him out of Eden? Which is why God placed a "mark" on Cain so that whoever saw him would know who he is and leave him alone.Kim
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