Hi, thanks for your responses.
On missing the point... just briefly,
When I came here I wanted to hear the opinions of other Christians outside of those well rehearsed ones from my own denomination.
I like to look at things from as many perspectives as possible which is why I ask these questions, not necessarily that I haven't considered what you may respond, but in the hope that I haven't!
mjrhealth said:
...the will of teh flesh does not always agree with teh will of God. yet he gave up the will of His flesh to do what God has asked, it is the same for every one of us.
Mrjhealth: Of course the will of the flesh does not always agree with the will of God because it is sinful.
Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the
likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
But how could Jesus be sent in the likeness of sinful flesh when...
Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are,
yet without sin.
See it could not be the same for every one of us like you say because we are not without sin.
It is just very confusing... Yet I do like what the Psalmist says...
Psa 73:26
My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.
Just as the angel came to strengthen Jesus, God also strengthens our hearts when our flesh is weak.
lforrest said:
I think Jesus was looking for a way out, that his Father would find another way so he wouldn't have to suffer. It shows his faith in his Father that even with his inside knowledge Jesus still held hope that there was another way.
Philippians 2:8 "And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death-- even death on a cross!"
Ooo I liked what you said here! I know I look for a way out when i'm in trouble, how much more human could Jesus get? But then I remembered that Jesus knew he would have to suffer or the prophecies would not be fulfilled.
Mar 9:12
And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
I'm sure Jesus had 'inside knowledge' and hope in his father. The will Jesus was praying about could have nothing to do with avoiding his own suffering, that would be selfish.
Born_Again said:
Even as Christ was suffering on the cross... Matthew 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
(sorry, KJV) its just the first one that came up.
He knew it was the will of God but still didn't want to suffer.
Oh yeah, I nearly forgot about that verse, that's a good one. The Opening line from Psalm 22, Even at the point of death Jesus was pointing those who seek him to the scriptures that testify of him
Jhn 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me
Psa 22:16
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet...
Psa 22:18
They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Psa 22:23-24
Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
(Reading this line just brought tears to my eyes).
God did not Forsake Jesus!
Also the scriptures are not alone in testifying of him...
Jhn 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me
However, that still leaves Jesus will to remove this cup from me, (give it to anyone else) being different from Gods will, and I'm still at a loss to fully comprehend this let alone try to explain this to someone else.
