I was talking with a Christian lady who is undecided between Obama and McCain. I asked her why she doesn't vote for a good Christian man, Chuck Baldwin, if she's torn between two men she doesn't like. She replied that she wants to be part of the big contest between the two, Obama and McCain. I'm mystified as to why people feel special when they whore themselves out to the Republican-Democratic axis of evil, especially when they don't really care who wins. The Barna Group showed Democrat Barack Obama is winning the favor of a larger segment of evangelicals. While the majority still support Republican John McCain (63 percent), 23 percent of evangelicals plan to cast a ballot for Obama – up from 9 percent in May. Evangelicals are expected to represent 9 percent of voters this November. Born again Christians, however, will likely represent nearly one out of every two votes in the 2008 election. Among born again Christians, it's a statistical dead-heat with 45 percent planning to vote for McCain and 43 percent, for Obama, the Barna survey released Wednesday found. In more general national polls, Obama continues to lead among likely voters by a 51 to 44 percent margin, according to the Gallup Poll Daily tracking program. read more
Obama Attracting More Evangelical Voters
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Actually Follower, I don't agree with some of your theology, but I am open-minded. It's you who pointed out that Ron Paul suggested Baldwin, and for that reason I will vote for him. So, I'm actually in this case going with what you are saying.The Constitution party is similar to the Libertarians (which I am) but with more emphasis on the moral aspects which I like. I must admit, I may change my party from Libertarian to Constitution due to this.In the meantime, I temporarily switched my party to Republican so that I could vote in the primary Ron Paul, but in the finals it matters not what party one is anyway.
(Christina;61604)
My problem with this is a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama
That's should be against the law. That makes me feel like Obama has a higher chance to win. I feel disgusted.
My problem with this is a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama
That's should be against the law. That makes me feel like Obama has a higher chance to win. I feel disgusted.
Well its not against the Law Jorden People can vote how they like but you are right it does give the advantage to Obama ...
(Christina;61606)
Well its not against the Law Jorden People can vote how they like but you are right it does give the advantage to Obama ...
I'm not saying that people should not vote against the law. If a person is voting for a third party, that vote should stay in third party vote. For a person's vote to go to another person which they CLEARLY did not vote, should become illegal as a law...Do you understand what I'm saying Christina?
Well its not against the Law Jorden People can vote how they like but you are right it does give the advantage to Obama ...
I'm not saying that people should not vote against the law. If a person is voting for a third party, that vote should stay in third party vote. For a person's vote to go to another person which they CLEARLY did not vote, should become illegal as a law...Do you understand what I'm saying Christina?
Yes but it does stay in the third party, but its a party that cant win, so it gives Obama a better chance if winning ...its like voting neutral ...
(Jordan;61605)
That's should be against the law. That makes me feel like Obama has a higher chance to win. I feel disgusted.
McCain has tried to make the third parties vanish, especially with thie McCain-Feingold campaign financing bill. McCain has a bit to go to enjoy Saddam Hussain's unchallanged ballots.
That's should be against the law. That makes me feel like Obama has a higher chance to win. I feel disgusted.
McCain has tried to make the third parties vanish, especially with thie McCain-Feingold campaign financing bill. McCain has a bit to go to enjoy Saddam Hussain's unchallanged ballots.
Well its a free country, for the time being, everyone can vote how they chooseIn my mind we have a vote of two options 1. A chance in Hell2. No chance in HellYour either part of the chance.. or part of the ...no chance You live in the country so you are going to affected by/live under choice 1 or 2 reguardless of what you do. A vote for niether of the above is about self... not about countryit satisfies personal statements/opinions... but does nothing to stop... No chance in Hell..for your country So you just become a silent part of the problem .............not standing for the chance of soulution.So why vote at all no vote is the same thing ....
(Follower;61610)
(Jordan;61605)
That's should be against the law. That makes me feel like Obama has a higher chance to win. I feel disgusted.
McCain has tried to make the third parties vanish, especially with thie McCain-Feingold campaign financing bill. McCain has a bit to go to enjoy Saddam Hussain's unchallanged ballots.
(Christina;61612)
Well its a free country, for the time being, everyone can vote how they chooseIn my mind we have a vote of two options 1. A chance in Hell2. No chance in HellYour either part of the chance or part of the no chance. You live in the country so you are going to affected by/ love under choice 1 or 2 reguardless of what you do. A vote for niether of the above is about self... not about countryit satisfies personal statements/opinions... but does nothing to stop... No chance in Hell...for your country So you just become a silent part of the problem ............not standing for the chance of soulution.So why vote at all no vote is the same thing ....
Great post and so true. I said it before and I will say it again... LIFE is not a game!
(Jordan;61605)
That's should be against the law. That makes me feel like Obama has a higher chance to win. I feel disgusted.
McCain has tried to make the third parties vanish, especially with thie McCain-Feingold campaign financing bill. McCain has a bit to go to enjoy Saddam Hussain's unchallanged ballots.
Well its a free country, for the time being, everyone can vote how they chooseIn my mind we have a vote of two options 1. A chance in Hell2. No chance in HellYour either part of the chance or part of the no chance. You live in the country so you are going to affected by/ love under choice 1 or 2 reguardless of what you do. A vote for niether of the above is about self... not about countryit satisfies personal statements/opinions... but does nothing to stop... No chance in Hell...for your country So you just become a silent part of the problem ............not standing for the chance of soulution.So why vote at all no vote is the same thing ....
Great post and so true. I said it before and I will say it again... LIFE is not a game!
(Christina;61612)
A vote for niether of the above is about self... not about country
Have you noticed that McCain and Obama agreed on every issue in the debates? The only had phony disagreements about the details. In fact, if I had to distinguish the two, McCain often sounds more socialist. McCain wants the government to provide universal health care through a tax credits for insurance. Obama wants to pressure big businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. But, in the end, Congress makes the laws and they'll both sign whatever it is Congress hands them.A vote for either Obama or McCain is the vote for the same thing. Obama is going to win and that makes me relatively happy. I prefer the socialist who doesn't pretend to be the conservative than the socialist who pretends to be a conservative. Obama won't drag down the conservative brand the way Bush has and McCain will.
A vote for niether of the above is about self... not about country
Have you noticed that McCain and Obama agreed on every issue in the debates? The only had phony disagreements about the details. In fact, if I had to distinguish the two, McCain often sounds more socialist. McCain wants the government to provide universal health care through a tax credits for insurance. Obama wants to pressure big businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. But, in the end, Congress makes the laws and they'll both sign whatever it is Congress hands them.A vote for either Obama or McCain is the vote for the same thing. Obama is going to win and that makes me relatively happy. I prefer the socialist who doesn't pretend to be the conservative than the socialist who pretends to be a conservative. Obama won't drag down the conservative brand the way Bush has and McCain will.
(Follower;61629)
(Christina;61612)
...A vote for niether of the above is about self... not about country...
Have you noticed that McCain and Obama agreed on every issue in the debates? The only had phony disagreements about the details. In fact, if I had to distinguish the to, McCain often sounds more socialist. McCain wants the government to provide universal health care through a tax credits for insurance. Obama wants to pressure big businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. But, in the end, Congress makes the laws and they'll both sign whatever it is Congress hands them.A vote for either Obama or McCain is the vote for the same thing.Obama is going to win and that makes me relatively happy. I prefer the socialist who doesn't pretend to be the conservative than the socialist who pretends to be a conservative. Obama won't drag down the conservative brand the way Bush has and McCain will.So you decided to make God angry...?
(Christina;61612)
...A vote for niether of the above is about self... not about country...
Have you noticed that McCain and Obama agreed on every issue in the debates? The only had phony disagreements about the details. In fact, if I had to distinguish the to, McCain often sounds more socialist. McCain wants the government to provide universal health care through a tax credits for insurance. Obama wants to pressure big businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. But, in the end, Congress makes the laws and they'll both sign whatever it is Congress hands them.A vote for either Obama or McCain is the vote for the same thing.Obama is going to win and that makes me relatively happy. I prefer the socialist who doesn't pretend to be the conservative than the socialist who pretends to be a conservative. Obama won't drag down the conservative brand the way Bush has and McCain will.So you decided to make God angry...?
(Jordan;61633)
So you decided to make God angry...?
I don't think God is going to be angry that I'm voting for a Christian gentlemen over a mentally unbalanced, liberal Republican. On the contrary, I think God will be pleased that I'm voting for a good man rather than a bad man.
So you decided to make God angry...?
I don't think God is going to be angry that I'm voting for a Christian gentlemen over a mentally unbalanced, liberal Republican. On the contrary, I think God will be pleased that I'm voting for a good man rather than a bad man.
(Follower;61629)
Have you noticed that McCain and Obama agreed on every issue in the debates? The only had phony disagreements about the details. In fact, if I had to distinguish the two, McCain often sounds more socialist. McCain wants the government to provide universal health care through a tax credits for insurance. Obama wants to pressure big businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. But, in the end, Congress makes the laws and they'll both sign whatever it is Congress hands them.A vote for either Obama or McCain is the vote for the same thing. Obama is going to win and that makes me relatively happy. I prefer the socialist who doesn't pretend to be the conservative than the socialist who pretends to be a conservative. Obama won't drag down the conservative brand the way Bush has and McCain will.
Wrong a vote for McCain is putting the Rebulican party in control of one branch of Government While the dems have control of another branch of government Wake up it isnt about McCain its about check and balances in the system the Democrats are going to win enough seats that they have complete control over the House and Senate a vote for Obama gives Harry Reed Nancy Pelosi a Rubber stamp on whatever they want to do. A Repbulican even a poor one at least gives a check and balance in the system ITS NOT ABOUT ENDORSING MCCAIN ITS NOT GIVING ALL THE POWER TO ONE PARTY, THATS SOCIALISM NOT DEMOCRACY A third party vote is about a self -statement it like voting present.
Have you noticed that McCain and Obama agreed on every issue in the debates? The only had phony disagreements about the details. In fact, if I had to distinguish the two, McCain often sounds more socialist. McCain wants the government to provide universal health care through a tax credits for insurance. Obama wants to pressure big businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. But, in the end, Congress makes the laws and they'll both sign whatever it is Congress hands them.A vote for either Obama or McCain is the vote for the same thing. Obama is going to win and that makes me relatively happy. I prefer the socialist who doesn't pretend to be the conservative than the socialist who pretends to be a conservative. Obama won't drag down the conservative brand the way Bush has and McCain will.
Wrong a vote for McCain is putting the Rebulican party in control of one branch of Government While the dems have control of another branch of government Wake up it isnt about McCain its about check and balances in the system the Democrats are going to win enough seats that they have complete control over the House and Senate a vote for Obama gives Harry Reed Nancy Pelosi a Rubber stamp on whatever they want to do. A Repbulican even a poor one at least gives a check and balance in the system ITS NOT ABOUT ENDORSING MCCAIN ITS NOT GIVING ALL THE POWER TO ONE PARTY, THATS SOCIALISM NOT DEMOCRACY A third party vote is about a self -statement it like voting present.
(Christina;61644)
Wake up it isnt about McCain its about check and balances in the system the Democrats are going to win enough seats that they have complete control over the House and Senate a vote for Obama gives Harry Reed Nancy Pelosi a Rubber stamp on whatever they want to do.
McCain, like Bush, will be a rubber stamp for Congress (So far, Bush has been the biggest rubber stamper in history). Bush's insanity caused Congress to go to the Democrats. McCain 's insanity will only cause Democrat control of congress to grow.
A third party vote is about a self -statement it like voting present.
If I believed that, I'd vote for Obama. America will be worse off if McCain wins. Reflected in your no-third-party stance is an bizarre attitude of many people. They're more bothered that I'm voting for the best man rather than the greatest evil (while they themselves vote for what they see as the lessor of two evils). Would you actually prefer me to vote for Obama than Baldwin?
Wake up it isnt about McCain its about check and balances in the system the Democrats are going to win enough seats that they have complete control over the House and Senate a vote for Obama gives Harry Reed Nancy Pelosi a Rubber stamp on whatever they want to do.
McCain, like Bush, will be a rubber stamp for Congress (So far, Bush has been the biggest rubber stamper in history). Bush's insanity caused Congress to go to the Democrats. McCain 's insanity will only cause Democrat control of congress to grow.
A third party vote is about a self -statement it like voting present.
If I believed that, I'd vote for Obama. America will be worse off if McCain wins. Reflected in your no-third-party stance is an bizarre attitude of many people. They're more bothered that I'm voting for the best man rather than the greatest evil (while they themselves vote for what they see as the lessor of two evils). Would you actually prefer me to vote for Obama than Baldwin?
It doesnt matter a vote for Baldwin is just a copout to take no stand therefore allowing Obama to win by defaultif thats your choice fine but then you have no right to complain/or take any credit not taking a stand for or against anything you are just voting present.
If I'm given the choice between Hitler and Stalin, and I don't vote for either one then I have no right to complain about what they do? On the contrary, if I vote for either one, I have no right to complain when they go and mass murder people becuase I voted for mass murder by voting for one of them. If I vote for Obama or McCain, then I have voted for socialism, abortion, etc.
As I have stated 0ver and Over it isnt about Obama and Mcain its about checks and balances in the system. its about giving one party all the Power. And standing by doing nothing but voting present
(Follower;61655)
If I'm given the choice between Hitler and Stalin, and I don't vote for either one then I have no right to complain about what they do? On the contrary, if I vote for either one, I have no right to complain when they go and mass murder people becuase I voted for mass murder by voting for one of them. If I vote for Obama or McCain, then I have voted for socialism, abortion, etc.
And not voting at all, is the same old bags of full of tricks and lies. To not vote for what's right is like you are letting Satan take the win.To vote for Obama is exactly or almost exactly the same thing, still letting Satan win. Obama hates God morality. He votes for abortion...
If I'm given the choice between Hitler and Stalin, and I don't vote for either one then I have no right to complain about what they do? On the contrary, if I vote for either one, I have no right to complain when they go and mass murder people becuase I voted for mass murder by voting for one of them. If I vote for Obama or McCain, then I have voted for socialism, abortion, etc.
And not voting at all, is the same old bags of full of tricks and lies. To not vote for what's right is like you are letting Satan take the win.To vote for Obama is exactly or almost exactly the same thing, still letting Satan win. Obama hates God morality. He votes for abortion...
(Christina;61656)
As I have stated 0ver and Over it isnt about Obama and Mcain its about checks and balances in the system. its about giving one party all the Power. And standing by doing nothing but voting present
Ironically, if more people held my view, it might help McCain win. With the majority of the public thinking they have to vote for one of the top two, regardless of how little they like the two, a lot of people who would otherwise vote Libertarian or Green are voting for Obama. As I pointed out to you, McCain will not check a Democrat congress. I gave you the example of President Bush who has done very little to check a Democrat congress. On the contrary, these bad Republicans like Bush and McCain promote Democrat popularity. They're worse than a failed check, they empower Democrats. There's another problem in your check and balances argument. At some point in time, a Democrat will win and he will have that Democrat congress. Maybe not this time, but next time, or the time after that. Congress will stay in the hands of the Democrats until there is a Democrat president.
As I have stated 0ver and Over it isnt about Obama and Mcain its about checks and balances in the system. its about giving one party all the Power. And standing by doing nothing but voting present
Ironically, if more people held my view, it might help McCain win. With the majority of the public thinking they have to vote for one of the top two, regardless of how little they like the two, a lot of people who would otherwise vote Libertarian or Green are voting for Obama. As I pointed out to you, McCain will not check a Democrat congress. I gave you the example of President Bush who has done very little to check a Democrat congress. On the contrary, these bad Republicans like Bush and McCain promote Democrat popularity. They're worse than a failed check, they empower Democrats. There's another problem in your check and balances argument. At some point in time, a Democrat will win and he will have that Democrat congress. Maybe not this time, but next time, or the time after that. Congress will stay in the hands of the Democrats until there is a Democrat president.
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