Obama.... Leaving God out of Thanksgiving!

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Terrible thing!

http://www.aol.com/2011/11/25/obama-thanksgiving-speech-god_n_1113106.html?1322241721&ncid=webmail2
 

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Since Thanksgiving is originally a Christian religious holiday (the Puritans were giving thanks to God (not the Indians)), it is only fitting that our Muslim in Chief omit the Lord from his address.
 

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In a single snapshot the episode is somewhat harmless, but taken together with his other swipes at Christianity (taxing Christmas trees at Christmas for instance), it only adds to the fuel he is a feckless and mean spirited bigot.
 

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In a single snapshot the episode is somewhat harmless, but taken together with his other swipes at Christianity (taxing Christmas trees at Christmas for instance), it only adds to the fuel he is a feckless and mean spirited bigot.

What part of the "Christmas Tree" is uniquely "Christian"?


Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. Jer 10:2-4
 

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He is the same President who repeatedly left out "by our Creator" when he spoke of Americans being "endowned by certain inalienable rights."

One would think it would be painful walking with one leg on either side of the fence....
 

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He isn't the first President to do so. Also, he only left it out of his youtube address, not his radio address.


You're right about that...Bush mentioned "God" in 7 out of 8 TD speeches. Clinton did 4 out of 8. Obama has 2 out of 3 and, as you have mentioned, it was not entirely left out this time...Just the youtube version.

IMO...This is too much hype for no real offense. He is President of ALL the people of the United States not just Christians. Stewart made a good point when he said the original Thanksgiving was giving thanks for a "bunch of heathens teaching a bunch of religious zealots how to farm".
 

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Stewart is in idiot. That is NOT what the first Thanksgiving was all about. Read Bradford's diaries and see. In a nutshell, the Puritians were thankful they gave up Socialism in favor of private property and free market capitalism to make the expedition successful and save their lives in the process.
 

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Nice spin. It was held by the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag to celebrate the colony's first successful harvest.
 

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You are relying on the half truths taught in schools. Read Bradford's diaries for yourself.

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You are relying on the half truths taught in schools. Read Bradford's diaries for yourself.

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Thanksgiving was nothing "new". It was always the English custom to celebrate a successful harvest.

Like I said...Anyone can spin it any way they like. Doesn't make it true.

As far as "Bradford"...He, realizing communism wasn't working, simply abolished the "communal living". Good for him.
 

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But that was the point of the first thanksgiving... giving thanks to God for the success they had the 3rd winter. The indians were invited, not the honored guests. No spin, just historical fact.

http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/6580
 

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But that was the point of the first thanksgiving... giving thanks to God for the success they had the 3rd winter. The indians were invited, not the honored guests. No spin, just historical fact.

http://www.hoover.or...st/article/6580


No it was not, and...Who said they were "honored guests". Oh wait a minute...That was you.

There were about 110 Pilgrims that came here. Less than 50 survived the first winter. Yes, Bradford made the call to exchange communism for private enterprise, however, if the Indians, much credit given to Squanto, hadn't taught them how to tap the maple trees, which plants were poisonous, how/when to plant the crops in this new land, it's safe to say the balance would never have survived another winter.

Due to the bountiful harvest, Bradford declared a day of thanksgiving, which was their custom, and yes...he invited Squanto and the other Indians to join in their celebration...It lasted 3 days.

The first "day of thanksgiving" was not the "3rd year". The 3rd year had a hot dry summer and the crops were dying in the field. After the day of fasting and prayer ordered by Bradford, the rains came. It is believed THAT year, Nov 29 was proclaimed a "day of thanksgiving". Of course that too changed when Macy and Lazarus realized they could get more shopping days in if they moved the holiday to an earlier date.

And no, I do not rely on "on the half truths taught in schools". I am of Indian descent.

BTW...Stewart is not a historian. He's a satirical comedian. Not unlike some of the things you say on certain topics and no one takes that as gospel truth either.
 

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Gypsy - I totally agree. Good posts!
 

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Then why quote Stewart as a source of your information???

I didn't. I simply made a comment about something he said.

Besides...He's one of the few that has spoken out about the fact that "technically speaking" the statement "Obama....Leaving God out of Thanksgiving" is inaccurate, as well as pointing out the fact that other Presidents have indeed left God out of Thanksgiving.