Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom

[GodsGrace]

Precious friend, wouldn't that "be a contradiction"?

GA
Please find out what the word SHOULD means in the verse you posted in no. 285.....

Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

It doesn't mean SHOULD as it is used today.
Do you really think we can choose whether or not we are to do the good works that God chose for us?

Why did you underline SHOULD?

 

[PS95]

GA
Please find out what the word SHOULD means in the verse you posted in no. 285.....

Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

It doesn't mean SHOULD as it is used today.
Do you really think we can choose whether or not we are to do the good works that God chose for us?

Why did you underline SHOULD?

I can never understand why this is ever even a point to dispute. IF WE LOVE HIM WE WILL OBEY HIM.
IF we don't we wont.
Why is this so hard for some to comprehend?
It's like a works phobia! Obeying our creator isn't to earn- it is out of Love!
The absence of love for Him produces no fruit! It is His love in us which does!

 

[GodsGrace]

Ok, I accept; What Does Have Credibility Is God's Word Of Truth, Correct?:

Did you know God Has Three Tenses Of Eternal Salvation?

Did you know That all Grace Through faith [ Eternally ] Saved believers will be
Judged For Both "good and BAD works"?:

The above is NOT what Jesus taught.
This is what Jesus taugth:

John 5:28-29
28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


Jesus taught that when HE judges, those that did good works will rise to a resurrection of life....
those that did evil (bad) deeds will rise to a resurrection of judgment.

Paul taught exactly the same:

Romans 2:6-8
the righteous judgment of God,
6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:
7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

Paul taught that God will render to each person according to his deeds.
Those who did good will get glory, honor and eternal life.
Those who did not obey the truth but were unrighteous will get wrath and indignation.

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own REWARD
according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are
God’s building... - - - - - - - - - - ( ↑↑ ALL the Eternally Saved-By-God "members"! ✓ )

...According to The Grace of God Which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid The
Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth Thereupon.
For other foundation can no man lay than That is laid, Which Is Jesus Christ.

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for The Day Shall Declare it, because it shall be
Revealed By fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work
abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a REWARD.

If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself Shall Be Saved;
yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)

1 Corinthians 3:8-15 does NOT mean what you are posting above.
If you care to know what it means, I posted on this and will copy it below....
it was post to @soberxp and I hope he understood its true meaning.
Any commentary would be helpful.
It is NOT addressing our works.


If you start reading at 1 Cor 3: 1 you'll find that Paul is speaking about himself and Apollos...both were in ministry and teaching about the Lord. It's about the ministry of building Jesus' church...not our personal good works that we do.

Paul did not want people saying that they were in the "group" of Paul or they were in the group of Apollo.
Paul was teaching them that we are all one in the Lord. They were working together...

One planted, one watered....
but it is GOD that causes the growth....in this case, the growth of christianity. God is important..
not Paul and not Apollo.
Verses 1 to 7


Beginning at verse 8 we see that Paul is still speaking about those that plant and those that water....
this would be those in the ministry....
Each person in the ministry will receive his reward.
Verse 8

The people are the FIELD OF GOD...
Those that minister are GOD'S WORKERS....
Verse 9

Paul is building up the church....he's building up Christianity. This is the reason Paul travelled in order to start new churches in different parts of the area. Paul lays the foundation...and others will build upon this foundation.
Verse 10


Jesus Christ is the foundation upon which Paul is building.
Some will know how to build upon this foundation....
it will be like using gold, silver and precious stones.
Some will build using wood, hay and straw.
In other words - the work of some in the ministry of building the church of Jesus will do better work
and some will not do such good work.
Verses 11-12

This work will be inspected.
If the work is good the ministers will pass inspection...
if the work is inferior...it might have to be started again or made better...
but the those that worked in an inferior ministry will still get by - but just barely.
Verses 13-15

Thus, Making all Of The Following [ Eternal Salvation Credible Scriptures ] True?:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
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God's Eternal Assurance
+
God's Eternal Life Insurance

Conclusion: Yes, I agree "we should [ for Proper building ] obey His [ Which Ones? ] Commandments
out of love" for:

The Precious Saviour, The Lord Jesus Christ!​

Amen.

cc: @ProDeo and @soberxp
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Extra study?: Handling The Word Of Life

You have as EXTRA STUDY "Handling the Word of Life"

Please study 1 Cor 3 since you seem to be basing some incorrect theology on it.

Our salvation can be forfeited. It can be lost.

Jesus is not only our Savior....
He is also our Lord.

A Lord must be obeyed.

 

[GodsGrace]

I can never understand why this is ever even a point to dispute. IF WE LOVE HIM WE WILL OBEY HIM.
IF we don't we wont.
Why is this so hard for some to comprehend?
It's like a works phobia! Obeying our creator isn't to earn- it is out of Love!
The absence of love for Him produces no fruit! It is His love in us which does!

This entire theology is a mess right now.
I agree with you that if a person is saved he will WANT to do good works.
This is wonderful and all well and good.

But the next step DOWN is to say that we are saved whether or not we do good works.
It's a slippery slope.

What we should be saying, and what the NT teaches is that God absolutely requires obedience from us.
Obedience, of course, requires doing good and not doing bad.

IOW...some believe that once saved they stop doing bad and this is all that is required of them.
NO.
This will bring a person into NEUTRAL territory.

Jesus didn't come here to teach and to die on a cross so we could be NEUTRAL.

He meant to set up His Kingdom here on earth...
He meant to make it be a better place.

This is achieved by DOING GOOD.

It's why James taught that faith without works is dead...
it's useless; it does no one any good.

Now I agree that if we love and abide in Christ we WILL do good works...
but Jesus Himself taught that it's possible for us to not do good and this will lead to our being cut off of the vine.


John 15:1-2a
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


See...it's possible, according to Jesus, to be IN THE VINE and not bear fruit.
And that branch is taken away.

We shouldn't downplay or change what Jesus taught.

 

[LoveYeshua]

This entire theology is a mess right now.
I agree with you that if a person is saved he will WANT to do good works.
This is wonderful and all well and good.

But the next step DOWN is to say that we are saved whether or not we do good works.
It's a slippery slope.

What we should be saying, and what the NT teaches is that God absolutely requires obedience from us.
Obedience, of course, requires doing good and not doing bad.

IOW...some believe that once saved they stop doing bad and this is all that is required of them.
NO.
This will bring a person into NEUTRAL territory.

Jesus didn't come here to teach and to die on a cross so we could be NEUTRAL.

He meant to set up His Kingdom here on earth...
He meant to make it be a better place.

This is achieved by DOING GOOD.

It's why James taught that faith without works is dead...
it's useless; it does no one any good.

Now I agree that if we love and abide in Christ we WILL do good works...
but Jesus Himself taught that it's possible for us to not do good and this will lead to our being cut off of the vine.


John 15:1-2a
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


See...it's possible, according to Jesus, to be IN THE VINE and not bear fruit.
And that branch is taken away.

We shouldn't downplay or change what Jesus taught.

Love your posts!!

 

[soberxp]

What do you think is a more humane service??

More humanized service means doing what AI cannot think of. AI can only do what humans ask it to do, and it is incapable of doing anything extra

 

[PS95]

This entire theology is a mess right now.
I agree with you that if a person is saved he will WANT to do good works.
This is wonderful and all well and good.

But the next step DOWN is to say that we are saved whether or not we do good works.
It's a slippery slope.

What we should be saying, and what the NT teaches is that God absolutely requires obedience from us.
Obedience, of course, requires doing good and not doing bad.

IOW...some believe that once saved they stop doing bad and this is all that is required of them.
NO.
This will bring a person into NEUTRAL territory.

Jesus didn't come here to teach and to die on a cross so we could be NEUTRAL.

He meant to set up His Kingdom here on earth...
He meant to make it be a better place.

This is achieved by DOING GOOD.

It's why James taught that faith without works is dead...
it's useless; it does no one any good.

Now I agree that if we love and abide in Christ we WILL do good works...
but Jesus Himself taught that it's possible for us to not do good and this will lead to our being cut off of the vine.


John 15:1-2a
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


See...it's possible, according to Jesus, to be IN THE VINE and not bear fruit.
And that branch is taken away.

We shouldn't downplay or change what Jesus taught.

What I'm saying is the similar but I get to the root of it- If we LOVE Him we will.
I don't make it a matter of we HAVE to. That sounds forced.
It should come from inside of us- the desire is now IN US.
Does Christ live in a believer?
This has been my experience..
He changed me.
If a person has not been changed inwardly then are they saved? No.
Being born again is a renewal- a transformation- a new heart.

 

[GodsGrace]

Love your posts!!

Ditto.
I don't know how we could be reading the same bible and come up with different theology.
I wish everyone went to a bible believing/teaching church and had some guidance.
In my opinion, this is a big problem for Christianity.

 

[PS95]

What I'm saying is the similar but I get to the root of it- If we LOVE Him we will.
I don't make it a matter of we HAVE to. That sounds forced.
It should come from inside of us- the desire is now IN US.
Does Christ live in a believer?
This has been my experience..
He changed me.
If a person has not been changed inwardly then are they saved? No.
Being born again is a renewal- a transformation- a new heart.

You can GIVE away all of your belongings and do so without LOVE. It means nothing!!
it's about the HEART.
If a heart is not changed there is nothing there.

 

[GodsGrace]

More humanized service means doing what AI cannot think of. AI can only do what humans ask it to do, and it is incapable of doing anything extra

Ha!
That's what you think!

Study up on it.
Already it is trying to do little things that it is not programmed to do.

Those that know about this were begging for it to stop some years ago so we could just think about it and maybe even pass some laws.
But mankind cannot stop to consider his future...he just barges ahead without stopping and then finds himself in problems.

It's like a river that is flowing downstream...
It cannot be stopped.

If you're interested, I'll try to find some info on YouTube that you can watch.

 

[GodsGrace]

You can GIVE away all of your belongings and do so without LOVE. It means nothing!!
it's about the HEART.
If a heart is not changed there is nothing there.

Are you talking to me?

Why do we bring our own "common sense" to the scriptures?

It's the heart...of course.

So are you saying that once we're saved we cannot sin?
In essence this is what you're saying.

 

[GodsGrace]

You can GIVE away all of your belongings and do so without LOVE. It means nothing!!
it's about the HEART.
If a heart is not changed there is nothing there.

And your first sentence implies that we can be saved by works.

This is not taught in the NT.

We are saved by faith.

AFTER we're saved...God DOES require us to obey Him.

Or does He not?

 

[GodsGrace]

What I'm saying is the similar but I get to the root of it- If we LOVE Him we will.
I don't make it a matter of we HAVE to. That sounds forced.
It should come from inside of us- the desire is now IN US.
Does Christ live in a believer?
This has been my experience..
He changed me.
If a person has not been changed inwardly then are they saved? No.
Being born again is a renewal- a transformation- a new heart.

§The above came through twice PS...
that's why I asked if you were speaking to me.
No problem...

 

[LoveYeshua]

Ditto.
I don't know how we could be reading the same bible and come up with different theology.
I wish everyone went to a bible believing/teaching church and had some guidance.
In my opinion, this is a big problem for Christianity.

I agree but the best guidance people sometimes forget is from the Holy Spirit. I rely heavily on his Guidance in my life and for understanding the bible, it is just as Jesus said ;

john 14-16-27
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Blessings

 

[GodsGrace]

What I'm saying is the similar but I get to the root of it- If we LOVE Him we will.
I don't make it a matter of we HAVE to. That sounds forced.
It should come from inside of us- the desire is now IN US.
Does Christ live in a believer?
This has been my experience..
He changed me.
If a person has not been changed inwardly then are they saved? No.
Being born again is a renewal- a transformation- a new heart.

PS
We cannot base Christian theology on our own personal experience...
we have to go by what the NT teaches, including Jesus.

Personally, I don't understand how anyone could abandon God or how anyone could live a life of sin after knowing Jesus...
however the NT says it's possible and I have seen some of this.

I really think we should stick to scripture.

 

[PS95]

And your first sentence implies that we can be saved by works.

This is not taught in the NT.

We are saved by faith.

AFTER we're saved...God DOES require us to obey Him.

Or does He not?

What are you talking about? lol No it certainly does not. HOW do you get that out this??? What do you think it means NOTHING means?
You can GIVE away all of your belongings and do so without LOVE. It means nothing!!
Paul said it.
It means whatever we do- we do out of love. My POINT has been all along that we obey because we LOVE- we do good deeds because we LOVE.
IF that love is not in us- we have no part in Christ. God is love and if he lives in you- you will have love.
If you don't have love in you (Christ) and do works out of fear or desire to earn-- you are LOST.

 

[soberxp]

The above is NOT what Jesus taught.
This is what Jesus taugth:

John 5:28-29
28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


Jesus taught that when HE judges, those that did good works will rise to a resurrection of life....
those that did evil (bad) deeds will rise to a resurrection of judgment.

Paul taught exactly the same:

Romans 2:6-8
the righteous judgment of God,
6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:
7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

Paul taught that God will render to each person according to his deeds.
Those who did good will get glory, honor and eternal life.
Those who did not obey the truth but were unrighteous will get wrath and indignation.


1 Corinthians 3:8-15 does NOT mean what you are posting above.
If you care to know what it means, I posted on this and will copy it below....
it was post to @soberxp and I hope he understood its true meaning.
Any commentary would be helpful.
It is NOT addressing our works.


If you start reading at 1 Cor 3: 1 you'll find that Paul is speaking about himself and Apollos...both were in ministry and teaching about the Lord. It's about the ministry of building Jesus' church...not our personal good works that we do.

Paul did not want people saying that they were in the "group" of Paul or they were in the group of Apollo.
Paul was teaching them that we are all one in the Lord. They were working together...

One planted, one watered....
but it is GOD that causes the growth....in this case, the growth of christianity. God is important..
not Paul and not Apollo.
Verses 1 to 7


Beginning at verse 8 we see that Paul is still speaking about those that plant and those that water....
this would be those in the ministry....
Each person in the ministry will receive his reward.
Verse 8

The people are the FIELD OF GOD...
Those that minister are GOD'S WORKERS....
Verse 9

Paul is building up the church....he's building up Christianity. This is the reason Paul travelled in order to start new churches in different parts of the area. Paul lays the foundation...and others will build upon this foundation.
Verse 10


Jesus Christ is the foundation upon which Paul is building.
Some will know how to build upon this foundation....
it will be like using gold, silver and precious stones.
Some will build using wood, hay and straw.
In other words - the work of some in the ministry of building the church of Jesus will do better work
and some will not do such good work.
Verses 11-12

This work will be inspected.
If the work is good the ministers will pass inspection...
if the work is inferior...it might have to be started again or made better...
but the those that worked in an inferior ministry will still get by - but just barely.
Verses 13-15


You have as EXTRA STUDY "Handling the Word of Life"

Please study 1 Cor 3 since you seem to be basing some incorrect theology on it.

Our salvation can be forfeited. It can be lost.

Jesus is not only our Savior....
He is also our Lord.

A Lord must be obeyed.

Your views are largely the same. He probably overlooked that good deeds don't need to be judged, which is why he wrote it that way—and I might have done the same.

Regarding your understanding that what Paul referred to was his work of establishing churches, I believe it also refers to our work of building up the faith. The two are mutual and simultaneous.

 

[PS95]

Are you talking to me?

Why do we bring our own "common sense" to the scriptures?

It's the heart...of course.

So are you saying that once we're saved we cannot sin?
In essence this is what you're saying.

Good grief..
It's as if you want to find something to argue about.
I'm done.
Take care.

 

[Behold]

You must pray to Mary a lot.
You seem obsessed.

Im very focused on keeping real chrisitans from being led into any "doctrine of Devils"..., whether it be a Cult or a false Gospel, or similar.
This is one of the main reasons i also work on Fourms for a long time.

So, revealing the Mary Cult to Christians, is the same for me as revealing Calvinism or Satanism or Mormonism, or JW.....to Christians.
The goal, is to keep weak Christian away from this deception, or to help people who are deceive by any of these religious cults from being mentally trapped by these cults till they die.

Its always interesting to watch someone who claims to be a Christian, defend Mary Adulation.
As they can't use a bible and defend all the different "Marian teachings"......as none of them are found in a bible., and they dont care about this at all.
So, that proves that there is something definitelhy wrong with their thinking.

For example, no Apostle prayed to Mary, in the NT, and John was alive to a very very old age, and never spoke about this, and He was with Mary, during Christ's Crucifixion.

Or take something like the "Acension of Mary" into heaven......in her dead body.
This ridiculous teaching was DECIDED to become "dogma"... in "1950.
And once again, its not found in a bible.....and Catholics do not care as they are always creating some new nonsense "Mary dogma".

If you stopped this Mary "Obsession", in Catholiciam, "no more praying to Mary".. "no more celebrating Mary"....then everyone would leave it., as that is how deceived they are by this nonsense.
-

 

[soberxp]

Ha!
That's what you think!

At least this is a current consensus on the impact caused by AI.

When people face AI, they may feel that it is "too AI-like"—this is likely a manifestation of the uncanny valley effect in humans.

Study up on it.
Already it is trying to do little things that it is not programmed to do.

Those that know about this were begging for it to stop some years ago so we could just think about it and maybe even pass some laws.
But mankind cannot stop to consider his future...he just barges ahead without stopping and then finds himself in problems.

It's like a river that is flowing downstream...
It cannot be stopped.

If you're interested, I'll try to find some info on YouTube that you can watch.

I asked Ai the question:
If AI renders human translators jobless, how should they face the impact brought by AI and find their own value?

When facing the impact of AI, the core breakthrough for human translators lies in shifting from "language conversion tools" to "cross-cultural value communicators". AI can translate words accurately, but it cannot replace humans' in-depth insight into cultural contexts, emotional intentions, and professional scenarios.

Specifically, one can reshape their own value by focusing on three directions:

1. Deepen expertise in "fields where AI is weak": Focus on high-complexity scenarios, such as the rigorous verification of legal contracts, the restoration of emotional tension in literary works, and the adaptation of professional terminology in medical records. These scenarios require a combination of industry knowledge and humanistic judgment, which are the shortcomings of AI.
2. Develop "translation +" composite capabilities: Integrate translation skills with other fields. For example, become a "translation + localization operation" expert (helping brands adapt to cultural expressions in different markets) or a "translation + cross-cultural consulting advisor" (resolving cultural conflicts in international cooperation), thereby forming irreplaceable composite competitiveness that AI cannot replicate.
3. Leverage AI as an "efficiency amplifier": Use AI as a basic translation tool to save time on mechanical work, and devote energy to higher-value tasks—such as optimizing the fluency of translated content, providing customized translation solutions for clients, and correcting cultural references or professional errors missed in AI translations.

In short, AI replaces "standardized translation work", while the new value of human translators lies precisely in the cultural warmth, professional depth, and communication accuracy that AI "lacks".