Open rebellion against God

[Candidus]

Can't say that I agree with your logic.

The all-powerful God is not all-powerful if He cannot become not all-powerful? If He cannot become ignorant?

We have radically different ideas of God. My God is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere present.

I hardly know what to say!

Much love!

God cannot choose when and if He uses His power? I have the power to do a lot of things; yet I find it unnecessary to do many things.

If everything is due to God's power, then we have nothing to do but fast-forward to the end, for we are not responsible for anything.

I just took a gulp of coffee! I now have more God in me! :)

Choosing what you want to know is not ignorance or an incapability of knowing. You may want to explain all those verses where God does not know something concerning men's future actions. What we know about God and His attributes is revealed in Scripture; not in a Theological Formula. The reason why people have radically different views is because many blindly hold to a time-honored formula and never look at Scripture apart from those pre-suppositions.

My God matches the Bible God.

He is all-powerful... as He wills. He does not always use all the power that He has. God has the power to intervein in the free-will of man, but He does not, at least not on a regular basis.
He is everywhere He chooses to be. He is not bound by an attribute to be anywhere He desires not to be.
He is all-knowing in what He wants to know. Mere mortals cannot dictate to God what He has to know.

None of those three attributes are absolute. Not because God cannot use them absolutely, but because God does not use them absolutely. I know that this upsets the "God-in-a-Box" theology.

 

[marks]

God cannot choose when and if He uses His power? I have the power to do a lot of things; yet I find it unnecessary to do many things.

If everything is due to God's power, then we have nothing to do but fast-forward to the end, for we are not responsible for anything.

I just took a gulp of coffee! I now have more God in me! :)

Choosing what you want to know is not ignorance or an incapability of knowing. You may want to explain all those verses where God does not know something concerning men's future actions. What we know about God and His attributes is revealed in Scripture; not in a Theological Formula. The reason why people have radically different views is because many blindly hold to a time-honored formula and never look at Scripture apart from those pre-suppositions.

My God matches the Bible God.

He is all-powerful... as He wills. He does not always use all the power that He has. God has the power to intervein in the free-will of man, but He does not, at least not on a regular basis.
He is everywhere He chooses to be. He is not bound by an attribute to be anywhere He desires not to be.
He is all-knowing in what He wants to know. Mere mortals cannot dictate to God what He has to know.

None of those three attributes are absolute. Not because God cannot use them absolutely, but because God does not use them absolutely. I know that this upsets the "God-in-a-Box" theology.

It seems to me that you are creating an argument where none exists.

 

[CharismaticLady]

1 Corinthians 5:5 (NASB)
I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

This is a description and situation of a Christian, a person who is saved living in open rebellion against God...It is a picture of a child of God choosing to live in sin...

Paul says He has turned them over for the destruction of the flesh....Meaning that as long as they continue to deliberately choose sin over God they are to be buffeted with all unpleasant things...All the storms of life are to be sent their way...Peace they will not know...Security they will not know... Though they may outwardly be a success inwardly they will be the most miserable of creatures... This misery will grow and grow, they can and might harden their heart against it, but the inner misery will grow and grow and become relentless .... Because the gifts and calling of God are;

Romans 11:29 (NASB)
for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Once they have been given they will never ever be taken back....Once, a person becomes a child of God that is an irrevocable thing...They will always remain His child... Though that child chooses to live in sin all the days of their lives to the very end. They themselves will be saved, they themselves have lost all their rewards, but their spirit will be saved....For to the saving of all is God’s desire, He wishes for none to perish so He has made it as simple as can be...Choose Him and once you have chosen Him, He will work in you both to will and to do... And how He coerces one is just like Jonah, He makes their life a living hell tell they turn back to Him...

(And this I know by experience)....

A fellow sinner saved by His unending relentless love, Not me

He was not "saved."

The destruction of the "flesh" is the destruction of the carnal nature. That person was declaring himself a Christian but had never repented of sin, had never been born again, had never received the Spirit of Christ, and loved darkness. In order to get him to repent, he had to be shunned - excommunicated - brought to his knees. As long as he said he had a relationship with God, yet lived in darkness, he was living a lie with no sign of wanting to repent. Paul turns him over to Satan to cause him to cry out to God and repent - thus becoming born again and filled with the Spirit. Until those things happen, he is no where near being saved.

 

[CharismaticLady]

People throw around the word "saved" as if it is very easy to be saved, no matter how much darkness we still love. I really hate the deception on the forums, and the false doctrines being lapped up joyfully. It is the blind leading the blind.

The truth is:

Matthew 7:13-14
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[Not me]

People throw around the word "saved" as if it is very easy to be saved, no matter how much darkness we still love. I really hate the deception on the forums, and the false doctrines being lapped up joyfully. It is the blind leading the blind.

The truth is:

Matthew 7:13-14
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

@CharismaticLady

scripture says;

“that his spirit may be saved in the day of Christ” ...etc..


As your personal relationship with Christ teaches you, I wish you all good things in Christ...

A fellow believer, Not me

 

[CharismaticLady]

@CharismaticLady

scripture says;

“that his spirit may be saved in the day of Christ” ...etc..


As your personal relationship with Christ teaches you, I wish you all good things in Christ...

A fellow believer, Not me

I answered this in #83

 

[Not me]

I answered this in #83

Thank you for your thoughts,

Be blessed as we grow in Him..

In the Beloved, Not me

 

[CharismaticLady]

Thank you for your thoughts,

Be blessed as we grow in Him..

In the Beloved, Not me

You are teaching that it is okay to sin as if a willful sinner is saved. Without holiness, no man shall see God. Fake Christians are not saved.

1 John 3:
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Sorry, but you are not teaching sound doctrine, but the most dangerous doctrine of demons on the planet. I'm shocked at how many "like" your posts. Though I know this doctrine didn't start with you, but is the wide road that many choose. Only a few even find the narrow road, let alone choose it.

 

[Not me]

You are teaching that it is okay to sin as if a willful sinner is saved. Without holiness, no man shall see God. Fake Christians are not saved.

1 John 3:
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Sorry, but you are not teaching sound doctrine, but the most dangerous doctrine of demons on the planet. I'm shocked at how many "like" your posts. Though I know this doctrine didn't start with you, but is the wide road that many choose. Only a few even find the narrow road, let alone choose it.

edit, ooops

 

[CharismaticLady]

@Not me

How did you get this to post without saying anything???

 

[Not me]

@Not me

How did you get this to post without saying anything???

Chubby fingers. :)

Be blessed in Him, Not me

 

[CharismaticLady]

Chubby fingers. :)

Be blessed in Him, Not me

Look at the letters to the seven churches from Jesus in Revelation chapters 2 and 3. In order for them to go on, they had to repent. Your doctrine is even if they don't repent, OSAS, and they go to heaven. Sorry, but without holiness, no man shall see God. And it is not the other doctrine of demons that it is just imputed righteousness of Jesus covering us, while we stay powerless against sin underneath.

Your doctrines are doctrines of Defeatism. But the true gospel is one of Victory.

 

[Not me]

Look at the letters to the seven churches from Jesus in Revelation chapters 2 and 3. In order for them to go on, they had to repent. Your doctrine is even if they don't repent, OSAS, and they go to heaven. Sorry, but without holiness, no man shall see God. And it is not the other doctrine of demons that it is just imputed righteousness of Jesus covering us, while we stay powerless against sin underneath.

Your doctrines are doctrines of Defeatism. But the true gospel is one of Victory.

Being a Christians is having a personal relationship with Christ...If your relationship is teaching you what you have put forth, I wish you all the love there is in Christ...

For scripture says a believer is only accountable to live up to the standard to which they have obtained..So to your growth, my growth, I wish you all the growth of Christ in your inner man..

Be blessed as you learn of Him, Not me

 

[CharismaticLady]

Being a Christians is having a personal relationship with Christ...If your relationship is teaching you what you have put forth, I wish you all the love there is in Christ...

For scripture says a believer is only accountable to live up to the standard to which they have obtained..So to your growth, my growth, I wish you all the growth of Christ in your inner man..

Be blessed as you learn of Him, Not me

You were teaching that the young man fornicating with his step-mother was saved, and though he would lose rewards, he would still be saved. That is untrue. The flesh that Paul spoke of in the phrase, "destruction of the flesh" was his nature. In other words - he did not have a new nature, but still had the old, which is the antithesis of being saved. So, no, without repentance, his spirit would not be saved. As Jude said, you are turning the grace of God into licentiousness. Jude 1:4

As Jesus said, "you have a reputation that you are alive, but you are dead." He was speaking of some of the doctrines that first came out of the Reformation. You have gravitated toward some of them. Stop teaching these lies for itching ears, and proclaim the truth that Jesus was manifest to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin. Teach holiness, not that Jesus covers our sin while we still enjoy them.

 

[Not me]

You were teaching that the young man fornicating with his step-mother was saved, and though he would lose rewards, he would still be saved. That is untrue. The flesh that Paul spoke of in the phrase, "destruction of the flesh" was his nature. In other words - he did not have a new nature, but still had the old, which is the antithesis of being saved. So, no, without repentance, his spirit would not be saved. As Jude said, you are turning the grace of God into licentiousness. Jude 1:4

As Jesus said, "you have a reputation that you are alive, but you are dead." He was speaking of some of the doctrines that first came out of the Reformation. You have gravitated toward one of them. Stop teaching these lies for itching ears, and proclaim the truth that Jesus was manifest to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin. Not that Jesus covers our sin while we still enjoy them.

As your understanding is, be blessed as you learn Christ, Not me

 

[CharismaticLady]

As your understanding is, be blessed as you learn Christ, Not me

Take the time to learn the truth if you think you should teach. What you are spouting now, can lead people to hell. Is that what you want?

 

[Not me]

Take the time to learn the truth if you think you should teach. What you are spouting now, can lead people to hell. Is that what you want?

Be blessed in Christ, Not me

 

[CharismaticLady]

Be blessed in Christ, Not me

Ignore these warnings if you like, but James 3:1 says, "My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment."

 

[Not me]

Ignore these warnings if you like, but James 3:1 says, "My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment."

Be blessed in His love, Not me