OSAS Can Sin all you Want

[robert derrick]

Someone from OSAS is saying plainly that being saved means you can now sin all you want, and you will still go to heaven.

What is refreshing about this is the person's honesty. Delusional but honest.

It is of course the obvious conclusion of being unconditionally saved by grace alone, and it is far better to hear someone just say so, rather than all the silly gibberish about not having 'license' to sin.

And so, to fit both lies together, we can say OSAS teaches we can sin all we want and still go to heaven, but not with a license to do so.

Liberty, yes. License, no.

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

It's refreshing to hear such swelling alluring words spoken so unashamedly and openly.

 

[robert derrick]

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

It's actually true, therefore, for OSAS to teach there is no 'revoking' their salvation, since their salvation never escaped sinning in the first place.

Their current state is still the same, only now with unlicensed liberty to sin away unto the end.

Only the Lord's salvation can be taken away with His Spirit, from them that were sons of God, but have returned to children of the devil.

And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.” (2 Timothy 3:8)

Many Once Saved Always Saved adherents are perfectly described in that scripture.

 

[robert derrick]

“Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.” (2 Timothy 3:8)

Many Once Saved Always Saved adherents are perfectly described in that scripture.

It's really is refreshing though to finally hear someone saying it plainly as it really is.

It is exactly what I would say, if I believed OSAS.

And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

For tomorrow I die and go to heaven.

 

[Skovand1075]

I don’t believe in OSAS and I’ve not made up my mind on universalism. But in general neither of things would result in a bad Christian.

For example my cat would probably forgive me no matter what I did. If could be a terrible owner and neglect them, and not feed them and when I came home they would still probably try to snuggle and want pets and so on. However, because I love them, I would not do that. Because I love them I would run into a burning building of strangers and millions of dollars and try to find them and save them. Much like how Jesus gave up this world and his life to save us from destruction despite us all falling short.

the reality is that we all sin everyday. You, me and everyone but Jesus and little kids or those incapable of it because of their cognitive processing.

so even if there was no danger in sinning, and I would still be saved, it would encourage me just as much to live righteously.

it’s like with the purge. Just because all crimes would be legal does not mean I would be out there being evil. So even without “hellfire” preaching we still have a gospel of love that motivates us to do better.
Plus scripture says we know who are are by our fruit.

 

[robert derrick]

I don’t believe in OSAS and I’ve not made up my mind on universalism. But in general neither of things would result in a bad Christian.

For example my cat would probably forgive me no matter what I did. If could be a terrible owner and neglect them, and not feed them and when I came home they would still probably try to snuggle and want pets and so on. However, because I love them, I would not do that. Because I love them I would run into a burning building of strangers and millions of dollars and try to find them and save them. Much like how Jesus gave up this world and his life to save us from destruction despite us all falling short.

the reality is that we all sin everyday. You, me and everyone but Jesus and little kids or those incapable of it because of their cognitive processing.

God is not a cat.

the reality is that we all sin everyday. You, me and everyone but Jesus and little kids or those incapable of it because of their cognitive processing.

Speak for yourself.

The reason unrighteous christian sinners must insist everyone else is just as unrighteous and sinful as they, is because of the universalist's childishness that so long as everyone is doing it, then God will judge no one for it.

The flood proved that one wrong.

 

[Taken]

OSAS Can Sin all you Want
OP ^

Utter nonsense.

But...why are you not quoting instead of you making a claim without any way to verify?

 

[robert derrick]

OSAS Can Sin all you Want
OP ^

Utter nonsense.

But...why are you not quoting instead of you making a claim without any way to verify?

The site rule does not allow anyone to quote a member from another thread, to start a new thread with.

Yes, it is utter nonsense, but refreshingly honest.

Are you one of the quibblers who preach unconditional security to sin again, but without license to do so?

Or you know OSAS is utter nonsense?

 

[mailmandan]

OSAS Can Sin all you Want
OP ^

Utter nonsense.

But...why are you not quoting instead of you making a claim without any way to verify?

Utter nonsense indeed. Typical straw man argument from Eternal IN-securitsts.

 

[Enoch111]

Utter nonsense indeed. Typical straw man argument from Eternal IN-securitsts.

I will second that. Just more baloney from Robert Derrick.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Enoch111 , @Taken , and @mailmandan

I don’t blame you for not rigorously defending Once Saved Always Saved; it requires too much writing than just quoting the Bible since no verses teach it without your “explanations” (leaven).

 

[Taken]

@Enoch111 , @Taken , and @mailmandan

I don’t blame you for not rigorously defending Once Saved Always Saved; it requires too much writing than just quoting the Bible since no verses teach it without your “explanations” (leaven).

It’s not some big secret...NO ONE RECEIVES SALVATION UNTIL AFTER A BODILY DEATH...
What do you think CRUCIFIED with CHRIST is FOR?
It is Christ’s Church Being SAVED for Believing in the Messiah, when even the Jews abandoned Him. Saved from Tribulations Punishments and Wrath.

All the HeadCHOPPING, KILLING During the Tribulations, is FOR? It is God SAVING Israel, AFTER suffering Punishments and Wrath for Rejecting Christ Jesus.

AND REALLY....ya think AFTER A BODILY DEATH...and BEING SAVED, a man can like you know...bodily come back to life and say oops God...changed my hearts thoughts...fooled ya God...tee hee...fooled the all knowing God....?? And Silly God who knew not...takes back His gift of Salvation?

Utter nonsense!

Utter nonsense a man continues to sin AFTER receiving his Salvation.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It’s not some big secret...NO ONE RECEIVES SALVATION UNTIL AFTER A BODILY DEATH...
What do you think CRUCIFIED with CHRIST is FOR?
It is Christ’s Church Being SAVED for Believing in the Messiah, when even the Jews abandoned Him. Saved from Tribulations Punishments and Wrath.

All the HeadCHOPPING, KILLING During the Tribulations, is FOR? It is God SAVING Israel, AFTER suffering Punishments and Wrath for Rejecting Christ Jesus.

AND REALLY....ya think AFTER A BODILY DEATH...and BEING SAVED, a man can like you know...bodily come back to life and say oops God...changed my hearts thoughts...fooled ya God...tee hee...fooled the all knowing God....?? And Silly God who knew not...takes back His gift of Salvation?

Utter nonsense!

Utter nonsense a man continues to sin AFTER receiving his Salvation.

Like I said.

No scripture references.

Just large text hot air from Dispensational Theology.

Boy are you leavened!

 

[Taken]

Like I said.

No scripture references.

Just large text hot air from Dispensational Theology.

Boy are you leavened!

You don’t need to wonder where the Scriptural references are.
There have been umpteen OSAS threads and supporting Scripture, brief and elaborate. And? So why ask for more when you do not address what has been already given repeatedly? Nor answer the questions for your rejection of OSAS?

 

[atpollard]

(The true Once Saved, Always Saved of the last 2000 years as taught to children almost 500 years ago).

Heidelberg Catechism (1563)

Q1. What is your only comfort in life and in death?

A. That I am not my own,1

1 1 Cor. 6:19-20​

but belong—body and soul, in life and in death—2

2 Rom. 14:7-9​

to my faithful Savior, Jesus Christ.3

3 1 Cor. 3:23; Titus 2:14​

He has fully paid for all my sins with his precious blood,4

4 1 Pet. 1:18-19; 1 John 1:7-9; 2:2​

and has set me free from the tyranny of the devil.5

5 John 8:34-36; Heb. 2:14-15; 1 John 3:1-11​

He also watches over me in such a way6

6 John 6:39-40; 10:27-30; 2 Thess. 3:3; 1 Pet. 1:5​

that not a hair can fall from my head without the will of my Father in heaven;7

7 Matt. 10:29-31; Luke 21:16-18​

in fact, all things must work together for my salvation.8

8 Rom. 8:28​

Because I belong to him, Christ, by his Holy Spirit, assures me of eternal life9

9 Rom. 8:15-16; 2 Cor. 1:21-22; 5:5; Eph. 1:13-14​

and makes me wholeheartedly willing and ready from now on to live for him.10

10 Rom. 8:1-17​

Q21. What is true faith?

A. True faith is not only a sure knowledge by which I hold as true all that God has revealed to us in Scripture;1

1 John 17:3, 17; Heb. 11:1-3; James 2:19​

it is also a wholehearted trust,2

2 Rom. 4:18-21; 5:1; 10:10; Heb. 4:14-16​

which the Holy Spirit creates in me3

3 Matt. 16:15-17; John 3:5; Acts 16:14​

by the gospel,4

4 Rom. 1:16; 10:17; 1 Cor. 1:21​

that God has freely granted, not only to others but to me also,5

5 Gal. 2:20​

forgiveness of sins, eternal righteousness, and salvation.6

6 Rom. 1:17; Heb. 10:10​

These are gifts of sheer grace, granted solely by Christ’s merit.7

7 Rom. 3:21-26; Gal. 2:16; Eph. 2:8-10​

Q45. How does Christ’s resurrection benefit us?

A. First, by his resurrection he has overcome death, so that he might make us share in the righteousness he obtained for us by his death.1

1 Rom. 4:25; 1 Cor. 15:16-20; 1 Pet. 1:3-5​

Second, by his power we too are already raised to a new life.2

2 Rom. 6:5-11; Eph. 2:4-6; Col. 3:1-4​

Third, Christ’s resurrection is a sure pledge to us of our blessed resurrection.3

3 Rom. 8:11; 1 Cor. 15:12-23; Phil. 3:20-21​

Q52. How does Christ’s return “to judge the living and the dead” comfort you?

A. In all distress and persecution, with uplifted head, I confidently await the very judge who has already offered himself to the judgment of God in my place and removed the whole curse from me.1

1 Luke 21:28; Rom. 8:22-25; Phil. 3:20-21; Tit. 2:13-14​

Christ will cast all his enemies and mine into everlasting condemnation, but will take me and all his chosen ones to himself into the joy and glory of heaven.2

2 Matt. 25:31-46; 2 Thess. 1:6-10​

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Someone from OSAS is saying plainly that being saved means you can now sin all you want, and you will still go to heaven.

What is refreshing about this is the person's honesty. Delusional but honest.

It is of course the obvious conclusion of being unconditionally saved by grace alone, and it is far better to hear someone just say so, rather than all the silly gibberish about not having 'license' to sin.

And so, to fit both lies together, we can say OSAS teaches we can sin all we want and still go to heaven, but not with a license to do so.

Liberty, yes. License, no.

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

It's refreshing to hear such swelling alluring words spoken so unashamedly and openly.

It's unfortunate.

I pray anyone who wishes to know the actual Gospel of Jesus Christ understand two things first, of the many other truths afforded it.

First , faith and salvation is a free irrevocable, meaning it can never be rescinded, taken away, by you, anyone,or God himself, gift of God.
That means it isn't something we earn of our own doing. Because Jesus did it all on the cross.

Secondly, the eternal truth of salvation is also reflected in this fact.
The saved person , Christian, who abides in Jesus does not keep on sinning.

Why? Because anyone who claims his name and his saving grace yet keeps on sinning has neither seen him or knows him. Meaning, they are not regenerated, reborn, from their spiritually dead in their sin and sinful ways.

You can read that in 1 John 3.

Never fear! Jesus is the Lord that brings peace. When he saves you, it is eternal.

You did nothing to earn that. You can do nothing to lose it. God did it. Ephesians 2.

You are blessed to live the rewards of that. And to serve the king of Heaven as his emissary, message,living message, of the truth of that.

Amen! And Hallelujah!

Of course that really upsets the devil and his emissaries. But they'll get over it,eventually.

 

[Taken]

OSAS Can Sin all you Want
OP ^

Sin is against God.
Only God forgives Sin.

No one is Saved without having Received PERMANENT Forgiveness from God.

No one Receives PERMANENT Forgiveness from God, WITHOUT FIRST willingly laying down their OWN LIFE unto DEATH.

WHO can answer that their DEAD BODY continues to SIN after they Lay down their body unto DEATH?

~
silly words and silly claims are but the folly of silly men.

 

[dhh712]

I don’t believe in OSAS and I’ve not made up my mind on universalism. But in general neither of things would result in a bad Christian.

For example my cat would probably forgive me no matter what I did. If could be a terrible owner and neglect them, and not feed them and when I came home they would still probably try to snuggle and want pets and so on. However, because I love them, I would not do that. Because I love them I would run into a burning building of strangers and millions of dollars and try to find them and save them. Much like how Jesus gave up this world and his life to save us from destruction despite us all falling short.

the reality is that we all sin everyday. You, me and everyone but Jesus and little kids or those incapable of it because of their cognitive processing.

so even if there was no danger in sinning, and I would still be saved, it would encourage me just as much to live righteously.

it’s like with the purge. Just because all crimes would be legal does not mean I would be out there being evil. So even without “hellfire” preaching we still have a gospel of love that motivates us to do better.
Plus scripture says we know who are are by our fruit.

You won't get anywhere with the sinless perfectionist crowd on here, Slovand (and I'm sorry I called you "Slovak" on a previous post! Oh dear--I must have been really tired then. I got MattG's name right when I wasn't sure about it and got yours pretty wrong!). You've probably figured this out by now. I don't think they realize how extensive sin is. There's no way any mortal can not sin every single day of his or her life; and most of it is likely done without even realizing it [Actually, it seems to me that the motivation for us wanting to go to heaven is tainted with sin because it is rooted in a selfish desire. That is not to say that it is entirely sinful, that it is just tainted with sin. And most, if not all, good works we do though definitely perceived as righteous--entirely because our Heavenly Father looks on them as done with the sinless perfection of Jesus--are tainted by sinful motivation: not done entirely and solely for the glory of God. Of course, the sinless perfectionists will say that they do these works in this way (the whole speak for yourself deal; I actually am speaking on their behalf too, but they just don't realize that what I am saying is factual); but that is because they do not know the depths of their sinful nature, how it pervades EVERYTHING].

But I have ceased responding to them directly. Unfortunately, these brothers and sisters of mine are deluded, or like I said earlier can't understand how thoroughly a sinful nature pervades every fiber of our being. Of course, we are made new creatures in Jesus and are given the ability to now do good works unto the Lord (but as I said earlier, all these things are still tainted by the sinfulness that yet remains, that won't be taken away until we dwell with the Lord in our eternal home).

@atpollard gives a great defense from the Heidelberg, but these people think these guys who constructed such things were of the devil and just pretty stupid about their Bibles (whereas in fact, all these people were much more intelligent than anyone of us here and likely understood God's word on a far deeper level).

But, the sinless perfectionist group adheres to a partial Bible and throws out the obvious declarations in God's word where he reveals to us how we are going to continue to sin until we are taken to our real home (and I've spent the time giving quotes before, but they were completely ignored and my time is severely limited. Actually practically every verse of the Bible--outside of the genealogies and stuff like that--declare how we are sinners through and through and only God is holy. What a disgusting idea to think that we on this earth can attain something like that. I trust I will see these heretics in heaven, but I also trust that the Lord will show them the filth of the works they understand to be perfect before we will dwell together in blissful harmony with our blessed Heavenly Father. The mere declaration that they appear to make over and over again that they have attained a sinless perfection is sinful in the eyes of God because it discourages the brothers when God has commanded us to be loving and encouraging. It is similar to the Pharisees whom Jesus condemned who proclaimed their own righteousness, placing great demands on the people of God but would not lift a finger themselves).

 

[Taken]

Someone from OSAS is saying plainly that being saved means you can now sin all you want, and you will still go to heaven.

And IF you disagree, why are you not ON that THREAD?

 

[Enoch111]

I don’t blame you for not rigorously defending Once Saved Always Saved; it requires too much writing than just quoting the Bible since no verses teach it without your “explanations” (leaven).

Actually, just one verse would suffice. But it would have no impact on anyone who is willfully blind.