OSAS Makes War with the Righteous

[Eternally Grateful]

Properly balanced preaching would speak about BOTH the love of God for sinners and the wrath of God against sin and wickedness. And that is exactly what we find in John 3:14-17. More importantly those are the words of Christ Himself.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Let's say that the audience has never heard this passage from Scripture. Let's say they are all Hindus or Buddhists. So the first question that would arise in their minds is "What does 'should not perish' mean?" and "Saved from what?" If the preacher is worth his salt, he would have to present the Bible truth that sinners are saved from Hell by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that "perish" actually means eternal damnation.

So the proper balance here is that Christ speaks of the love of God and He also gives us the reason why the only begotten Son was sent into the world. Without this balance the Gospel means nothing. The unbeliever needs to know exactly why Christ died and rose again. The unbeliever also needs to know that the whole world is guilty before God without any exceptions. Therefore all need to obey the Gospel and be saved.

Your talking about three verses in one book of a bible with 66 books and probably thousands of verses.

I went to a church where the only thing the pastor taught was the gospel. It was a dead church. And there was no growth. Because the saved people were not fed.. and there was probably no unsaved people that needed to hear the gospel.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As the old saying goes -- "Money makes the world go around". :cool:

But you are correct. No preacher has any business deviating from the actual text, and (a) going off on a tangent, (b) telling long-winded stories, (c) trying to be a comedian, or (d) trying to become an extortioner by speaking about money. And certainly not wearing jewelry worth $400,000 and then getting robbed in broad daylight because of that jewelry!

He should not have that in the first place. But if he does and gets robbed, he has no one to blame but himself

 

[Mink57]

We teach about money when it comes up in a series, or at the end of the year when we want to have people pledge, we have a meeting where only members come.. And it is only to show where the church plans to spend the money.. not really on giving.

Oh, I don't mind the teaching about money. I think the whole idea of how to handle it...when or if we should give tithes...saving for a rainy day...handling our finances properly is a good lesson.

What I mind is, when the Gospel (for example) is about the Prodigal Son, and the sermon is about how much MORE we should give, give, GIVE.

 

[Enoch111]

I went to a church where the only thing the pastor taught was the gospel. It was a dead church. And there was no growth. Because the saved people were not fed.. and there was probably no unsaved people that needed to hear the gospel.

Now that is a totally different scenario, and that was a failure on the part of the preacher. So there should have been (a) doctrine, (b) reproof, (c) correction, and (d) instruction in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16,17).

 

[marks]

Chuck Smith, the first Calvary Chapel pastor, told us that he used to preach only evangelistic messages because that was all he knew to do. One day he came across a verse-by-verse commentary through Romans, and decided to do that. He teaching never would be the same after that!

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh, I don't mind the teaching about money. I think the whole idea of how to handle it...when or if we should give tithes...saving for a rainy day...handling our finances properly is a good lesson.

What I mind is, when the Gospel (for example) is about the Prodigal Son, and the sermon is about how much MORE we should give, give, GIVE.

The pastor has to get rich somehow..lol

I agree..

The prodigal son is not the gospel.. I also agree with that

 

[Robert Gwin]

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them.

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

So long as Scriptural disputes are confined to prophecy, end times, millennialism, natural vs spiritual Israel, or even saved by faith alone or justified by works, then there is simple agreement or disagreement, but once any Christian begins to preach doing righteousness at all times, and being righteous as He is righteous, then the OSAS christians begin to come out with the knives and pitchforks to condemn all the doers of righteousness as self-righteous perfectionists, that are preaching against grace, the cross, and the work of Christ.

Their flagship thread is titled 'Grace-haters'.

They do not acknowledge that Christians at least ought to be doing righteousness at all times as He is righteous, and so walk as He walked, and so encourage all Christians to do so by the Spirit and grace of Christ.

No, even if they do acknowledge we ought to be walking as He walked in righteousness without sinning, they declare no Christians are doing so, nor can do so.

And if any Christian declares not only we can, but we must in order to be like Jesus, they condemn it as impossible perfectionism against grace, and anyone even thinking to do so are fallen from grace and are become proud boasting doers of the law of Christ: the law is cursed and them doing the law are cursed.

This is not just simple disagreement over doctrinal issues of prophecy, etc... nor is it simple acknowledgement that not all Christians are doing as they ought, and need exhortation and encouragement for the weak.

This is open warfare against Christians doing righteousness at all, not just at all times.

One must walk in His paths Rob Isa 2:3; it is their fruits that identify Jesus' disciples Mat 7:20

 

[Taken]

OSAS Makes War with the Righteous
OP^

LOL LOL LOL YIPES!
Laughable and Dangerous!

The Saved Righteous makes war with the Saved Righteous?

The OP has gone beyond his silly unfounded opinions to utter Blasphemy.