OSAS Teaches not Obeying Scripture

[Bob Estey]

Many SDA pastors work Sun-Fri and then preach on the Saturday Sabbath.

Just as Christians, Paul and Barnabas, did in the New Testament. They weren't SDA's, and Jesus had long since passed, just in case you missed that. ;)

Preaching is work.

 

[GEN2REV]

Preaching is work.

In the KJV of Leviticus 23:25, it uses the word servile to define the work.

That means strenuous manual labor.

Preaching God's Word is never forbidden anywhere in Scripture.

 

[Bob Estey]

In the KJV of Leviticus 23:25, it uses the word servile to define the work.

That means strenuous manual labor.

Preaching God's Word is never forbidden anywhere in Scripture.

Jesus worked on the sabbath and got into trouble for it.

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus worked on the sabbath and got into trouble for it.

Haha. No, He didn't break any Commandments or He wouldn't have been said to have no sin.

He never broke a law, God is not capable of breaking the Law - that is sin. God can't sin. And Jesus obeyed every single Commandment to the death. John 15:10

The Teachers of the Law (who didn't obey it themselves Matthew 23:1-3) gave Him a hard time about it; always trying to trip Him up and/or embarrass Him in public. He always turned it around on them and made them look stupid.

Can you present a verse that shows that Jesus "worked" on the Sabbath? Those reading along need to see that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Bob Estey]

Haha. No, He didn't break any Commandments or He wouldn't have been said to have no sin.

He never broke a law, God is not capable of breaking the Law - that is sin. God can't sin. And Jesus obeyed every single Commandment to the death. John 15:10

The Teachers of the Law (who didn't obey it themselves Matthew 23:1-3) gave Him a hard time about it; always trying to trip Him up and/or embarrass Him in public. He always turned it around on them and made them look stupid.

Can you present a verse that shows that Jesus "worked" on the Sabbath? Those reading along need to see that you don't know what you're talking about.

Jesus worked on the sabbath to show us it is okay to work on the sabbath if the situation demands it. It beats losing your job and being homeless. You just get your day's rest when the opportunity affords itself.

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus worked on the sabbath to show us it is okay to work on the sabbath if the situation demands it. It beats losing your job and being homeless. You just get your day's rest when the opportunity affords itself.

You haven't shown Jesus working on the Sabbath.

He did no such thing.

You are an abominable heretic claiming Christ was a sinner.

How dare you!

Your blasphemy is upon your head!!

 

[Bob Estey]

You haven't shown Jesus working on the Sabbath.

He did no such thing.

You are an abominable heretic claiming Christ was a sinner.

How dare you!

Your blasphemy is upon your head!!

This should satisfy you:

1. 
   [23] One sabbath he was going through the grainfields; and as they made their way his disciples began to pluck heads of grain.
   [24] And the Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the sabbath?"
   [25] And he said to them, "Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him:
   [26] how he entered the house of God, when Abi'athar was high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?"
   [27] And he said to them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath;
   [28] so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath." Mark 2:23-28

 

[GEN2REV]

This should satisfy you:

1. 
   [23] One sabbath he was going through the grainfields; and as they made their way his disciples began to pluck heads of grain.
   [24] And the Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the sabbath?"
   [25] And he said to them, "Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him:
   [26] how he entered the house of God, when Abi'athar was high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?"
   [27] And he said to them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath;
   [28] so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath." Mark 2:23-28

You can't produce it.

You've had ample time and opportunity to prove Jesus "worked" (did servile, strenuous labor) on the Sabbath and you've failed - because Scripture provides no such evidence. Christ never sinned one single time.

And His disciples were not breaking the Sabbath, either.

1. He, Himself, stated they were doing nothing wrong.
2. There was a Law that it was perfectly acceptable to pick corn from another man's field at any time of need. Deuteronomy 23:25

Thank you for humbly admitting your lack of Scriptural knowledge. Learning the Bible takes much time and diligence. Attending church for decades leaves one woefully lacking in their knowledge of the Word of God.

Let's work to show ourselves approved and not be ashamed and rejected by the Lord God Almighty for our Scriptural incompetence.
2 Timothy 2:15
Hosea 4:6

 

[Bob Estey]

You can't produce it.

You've had ample time and opportunity to prove Jesus "worked" (did servile, strenuous labor) on the Sabbath and you've failed - because Scripture provides no such evidence. Christ never sinned one single time.

And His disciples were not breaking the Sabbath, either.

1. He, Himself, stated they were doing nothing wrong.
2. There was a Law that it was perfectly acceptable to pick corn from another man's field at any time of need. Deuteronomy 23:25

Thank you for humbly admitting your lack of Scriptural knowledge. Learning the Bible takes much time and diligence. Attending church for decades leaves one woefully lacking in their knowledge of the Word of God.

Let's work to show ourselves approved and not be ashamed and rejected by the Lord God Almighty for our Scriptural incompetence.
2 Timothy 2:15
Hosea 4:6

I can't produce it? I just did.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If the letter is dead and not to be obeyed, then so is the law: the law is written in letters.

The letter of the law brings death not life! The spirit of the Law is life. And there is a difference the old Covenant is the law of Moses given to jews and their convertts, the Law of Christr is different from the law of Moses though they contain some same commands.

 

[GEN2REV]

I can't produce it? I just did.

The Lord forgives those who repent of their evil ways and ask forgiveness with sincerity of heart.

Those who continue to spread lies about the Lord and peddle False Doctrine will not be forgiven. Please re-think your actions here and refrain from assassinating the character of our Lord and Savior any further.

All sinners can find some fiber of regret deep within their soul, Bob. Even someone as depraved as you. You are not unforgivable.

It is a horrifying thing to fall into the hands of the Living God. Hebrews 10:31

 

[robert derrick]

The letter of the law brings death not life! The spirit of the Law is life. And there is a difference the old Covenant is the law of Moses given to jews and their convertts, the Law of Christr is different from the law of Moses though they contain some same commands.

The letters of the law say not to fornicate, be a drunkard, nor thief, nor idolater.

Not being a fornicating, drunken, thief, and idolater does not make anyone dead.

There's nothing dead about the letters of the law nor of any Scripture of God.

God is not dead, nor is His law, nor is His Scripture: without letters on paper, there would not be any law nor word nor gospel of God to read and know assuredly the truth of Jesus Christ.

If you acknowledge the difference between doing the letter of the law without the Spirit, and doing the letter of the law with the Spirit, then you will be able to know the difference between a self-righteous Pharisee, who does the law outwardly only, and a righteous Christian saint, who does the law with a pure heart of Christ.

Then you will cease preaching sinning, by killing the law and it's letter, and cease preaching against righteousness, by accusing the righteous of being self-righteous Pharisees under the law.

But, I don't hold my breath for you.

I'm not saying you can't repent, because even the reprobate Manasseh did so, when God chose to start drawing him again to do so.

 

[Bob Estey]

The Lord forgives those who repent of their evil ways and ask forgiveness with sincerity of heart.

Those who continue to spread lies about the Lord and peddle False Doctrine will not be forgiven. Please re-think your actions here and refrain from assassinating the character of our Lord and Savior any further.

All sinners can find some fiber of regret deep within their soul, Bob. Even someone as depraved as you. You are not unforgivable.

It is a horrifying thing to fall into the hands of the Living God. Hebrews 10:31

The Lord taught us, in the scripture I quoted earlier, that it is okay to work on the sabbath, if our survival is at stake. We can get our rest later.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The letters of the law say not to fornicate, be a drunkard, nor thief, nor idolater.

Not being a fornicating, drunken, thief, and idolater does not make anyone dead.

There's nothing dead about the letters of the law nor of any Scripture of God.

So you observe Saturday as Sabbath and do no work?
You do not require your pastor to labor at preaching?
YOu do not eat pork?
nor shellfish?
nor fish without scales?
nor any insects?
you do not mix fabrics ( you know like 60% cotton 40% rayon?
you pout lambs blood on your door post?
YOu refrain from teh tree of th eknowlege of good and evil?
Should I list some many other laws that you say are not dead?

YOu do not even know how to read the bible and yetr you stand in judgment of so many believers on this thread! If you do not change, there is a terrible God ordained ordeal awaiting for you to crush this legalistic spirit out of you! Unless of course you are not even saved, then you can keep doing this with impunity until you stand before the great white throne of god and give an account there!

You have openly said here that the blood fo Jesus does not forgive all sin, because ytou believe someone who is saved can lose their salvation by sin.

 

[GEN2REV]

The Lord taught us, in the scripture I quoted earlier, that it is okay to work on the sabbath, if our survival is at stake. We can get our rest later.

No, you're not gonna weasel your way outta your original blasphemous claim that easy.

You claimed that Jesus broke the 4th Commandment to show us that it's ok for us to do so. That would be a sin and Jesus never sinned.

Neither Jesus nor His disciples broke the 4th Commandment. Picking ears of corn and eating them is not servile, strenuous labor. Jesus related a story about David eating shewbread when he was starving. That has nothing to do with the Sabbath, nor anything to do with working on it or breaking it in any way.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, you're not gonna weasel your way outta your original blasphemous claim that easy.

You claimed that Jesus broke the 4th Commandment to show us that it's ok for us to do so. That would be a sin and Jesus never sinned.

Neither Jesus nor His disciples broke the 4th Commandment. Picking ears of corn and eating them is not servile, strenuous labor. Jesus related a story about David eating shewbread when he was starving. That has nothing to do with the Sabbath, nor anything to do with working on it or breaking it in any way.

wow! I agree with you 100%. this could start a new trend!!!!!

 

[Bob Estey]

No, you're not gonna weasel your way outta your original blasphemous claim that easy.

You claimed that Jesus broke the 4th Commandment to show us that it's ok for us to do so. That would be a sin and Jesus never sinned.

Neither Jesus nor His disciples broke the 4th Commandment. Picking ears of corn and eating them is not servile, strenuous labor. Jesus related a story about David eating shewbread when he was starving. That has nothing to do with the Sabbath, nor anything to do with working on it or breaking it in any way.

No, Jesus said it was okay. Go back and read the scripture I quoted you.

 

[GEN2REV]

wow! I agree with you 100%. this could start a new trend!!!!!

Not sure I'm ok with that.

I really hate change.

Since when do you support anything positive about the Sabbath, anyway?

 

[GEN2REV]

No, Jesus said it was okay. Go back and read the scripture I quoted you.

Jesus said it was ok to sin?

Is that like the new version of the "Jesus is not God" trend?

 

[Bob Estey]

Jesus said it was ok to sin?

Is that like the new version of the "Jesus is not God" trend?

I already posted this once:

[23] One sabbath he was going through the grainfields; and as they made their way his disciples began to pluck heads of grain.
[24] And the Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the sabbath?"
[25] And he said to them, "Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him:
[26] how he entered the house of God, when Abi'athar was high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?"
[27] And he said to them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath;
[28] so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath." Mark 2:23-28