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Not so. God's word says the heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it.
You will always be able to find something contradictory when there is no understanding of the difference between righteousness and holiness. Why do so many only see the negative things in their context of a comparison to holiness when no one seems to walk there? We will be judged according to our judgments.

All are sinners and wicked...yet there are the righteous. People who only see one side of things will of course disagree. How wicked was Abel? People might accuse him of being an evil person. But God doesn't see him that way. Why are we to bcome as children...does that mean we should all be rebellious 2 year olds with wicked hearts? We see things as WE are. Are we impure? Then all is impure. Why would anyone allow a certain verse that describes mankind as a whole to overthrow God's counsel? How far are we willing to go to throw away God's judgments to make ourselves righteous?

Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? Wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? Job 4:8

So which is it? Is the heart so wicked that God can't accept it..or is a broken and contrite heart acceptable to Him?

I ask these things rhetorically..since I don't expect any kind of constructive discussion on this...just a dogmatic stance.
 
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You will always be able to find something contradictory when there is no understanding of the difference between righteousness and holiness. Why do so many only see the negative things in their context of a comparison to holiness when no one seems to walk there? We will be judged according to our judgments.

All are sinners and wicked...yet there are the righteous. People who only see one side of things will of course disagree. How wicked was Abel? People might accuse him of being an evil person. But God doesn't see him that way. Why are we to bcome as children...does that mean we should all be rebellious 2 year olds with wicked hearts? We see things as WE are. Are we impure? Then all is impure. Why would anyone allow a certain verse that describes mankind as a whole to overthrow God's counsel? How far are we willing to go to throw away God's judgments to make ourselves righteous?

Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? Wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? Job 4:8

So which is it? Is the heart so wicked that God can't accept it..or is a broken and contrite heart acceptable to Him?

I ask these things rhetorically..since I don't expect any kind of constructive discussion on this...just a dogmatic stance.
This is one of the prevailing lies in our culture today.....a belief (in spite of all the evidence to the contrary) that human nature is inherently good....but the bible teaches the opposite. It's the very reason mankind needs a Saviour. The verses that speak of this are on both an individual as well as global level. What pleases God is faith....when obedience proceeds from faith it is accepted by Him. Didn't even Paul say that in the flesh dwells no good thing? That is what each of us needs to learn...most of us aren't really aware of that in the beginning of our faith until the Lord begins to shine His light so that we can start to see ourselves as we truly are. This is one reason why we need a love of the truth..to be able to receive the hard truths about ourselves, so that we will cooperate with God in working out our salvation and begin to put our old man under our/Christ's feet. This is what all the chastisements are for...to weaken and kill our old man/outer man - the carnal nature. "We" must decrease so that Christ may increase.
 

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That's the born again.

Your works and self effort need not apply, unless they are equal to Jesus.
And i can promise you that is a fail.
Give that self effort-self righteousness up., Episkopos.
The irony in your statements is that only the self-righteous seek to take away the righteousness of the righteous. God justifies. But a dogmatic religion MUST condemn all who are not similarly conditioned. If you take away the judgmentalism of dogmatic religion the whole rotten structure comes down...so people protect it.

God is merciful...He is not dogmatic, using bible verses out of context to condemn people. Jesus came to save the world and He is near the merciful, the contrite and broken-hearted. Some here really need to go over the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. Realizing how Phariseeism works...we see that God doesn't look at us according to our dogmatic stance but our hearts. It is the dogmatic stance we should avoid as this condemns us.

Allowing the righteous to be righteous takes NOTHING away from Christ who came to translate us into the divine fellowship with God. And that has to do with holiness.
 

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The irony in your statements is that only the self-righteous seek to take away the righteousness of the righteous. God justifies. But a dogmatic religion MUST condemn all who are not similarly conditioned. If you take away the judgmentalism of dogmatic religion the whole rotten structure comes down...so people protect it.

God is merciful...He is not dogmatic, using bible verses out of context to condemn people. Jesus came to save the world and He is near the merciful, the contrite and broken-hearted. Some here really need to go over the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. Realizing how Phariseeism works...we see that God doesn't look at us according to our dogmatic stance but our hearts. It is the dogmatic stance we should avoid as this condemns us.

Allowing the righteous to be righteous takes NOTHING away from Christ who came to translate us into the divine fellowship with God. And that has to do with holiness.
Oh the irony is right.

More conflating and equivocating. You said that the righteous are sinners and are not holy. Yet Scripture declares the opposite that those who are holy and the same ones who are righteous. They are one and the same group of people- all believers are declared to be holy and righteous positionally and practically.

hope this helps !!!
 
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The irony in your statements is that only the self-righteous seek to take away the righteousness of the righteous.
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""Jesus came to SAVE Sinners""" = SO THAT they can become a Son/Daughter of God, and exit in God's family, that is eternal.

This is to become "born again" as a "new Creation In Christ"

A.) This is the NEW TESTAMENT and NEW Covenant.

If you are not a sinner, then you will never be saved, and you will never belong to God and you will go to Hell when you die.

if we say we have not sinned, then the truth is not in us.....

= "All have sinned". "and fallen short of the glory of God".

And that means you too, Episkopos.... so, that sin separates you from God, until the CROSS OF CHRIST deals with it.

If it never does, then you're none of God's right now, or after you die.


Believe it.
 
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This is one of the prevailing lies in our culture today.....a belief (in spite of all the evidence to the contrary) that human nature is inherently good....but the bible teaches the opposite. It's the very reason mankind needs a Saviour. The verses that speak of this are on both an individual as well as global level. What pleases God is faith....when obedience proceeds from faith it is accepted by Him. Didn't even Paul say that in the flesh dwells no good thing? That is what each of us needs to learn...most of us aren't really aware of that in the beginning of our faith until the Lord begins to shine His light so that we can start to see ourselves as we truly are. This is one reason why we need a love of the truth..to be able to receive the hard truths about ourselves, so that we will cooperate with God in working out our salvation and begin to put our old man under our/Christ's feet. This is what all the chastisements are for...to weaken and kill our old man/outer man - the carnal nature. "We" must decrease so that Christ may increase.
This is exactly why so many will never find Christ. they think they are good people. And God will not punish them like he will the murderers,the rapists, the child abusers..

Thats why Jesus said one must become poor in spirit to enter the kingdom. You will not enter if you think you are inherently good.
 
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The irony in your statements is that only the self-righteous seek to take away the righteousness of the righteous. God justifies. But a dogmatic religion MUST condemn all who are not similarly conditioned. If you take away the judgmentalism of dogmatic religion the whole rotten structure comes down...so people protect it.

God is merciful...He is not dogmatic, using bible verses out of context to condemn people. Jesus came to save the world and He is near the merciful, the contrite and broken-hearted. Some here really need to go over the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. Realizing how Phariseeism works...we see that God doesn't look at us according to our dogmatic stance but our hearts. It is the dogmatic stance we should avoid as this condemns us.

Allowing the righteous to be righteous takes NOTHING away from Christ who came to translate us into the divine fellowship with God. And that has to do with holiness.
where do you come up with this stuff?
 

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This is one of the prevailing lies in our culture today.....a belief (in spite of all the evidence to the contrary) that human nature is inherently good....but the bible teaches the opposite. It's the very reason mankind needs a Saviour. The verses that speak of this are on both an individual as well as global level. What pleases God is faith....when obedience proceeds from faith it is accepted by Him. Didn't even Paul say that in the flesh dwells no good thing? That is what each of us needs to learn...most of us aren't really aware of that in the beginning of our faith until the Lord begins to shine His light so that we can start to see ourselves as we truly are. This is one reason why we need a love of the truth..to be able to receive the hard truths about ourselves, so that we will cooperate with God in working out our salvation and begin to put our old man under our/Christ's feet. This is what all the chastisements are for...to weaken and kill our old man/outer man - the carnal nature. "We" must decrease so that Christ may increase.

Very good. Paul recognized that "he" -himself was just a container. A vessel or a tent-- or the soil, in which two kinds of seeds were sown. And in this very spiritual sense of things, those two seeds compete for the soil-- for dominance in that kingdom that is within. Paul understood this very foundational principle. Even as an apostle he recognized his weakness and the presence of sin cohabitating inside himself. It is only through Christ within that the adversary within is overcome. This is much different than the false gospel of self-works that @Episkopos preaches. It's not about you becoming stronger-- it's all about Christ growing in you, and him overcoming your weakness.

For we know that the law is spiritual—but I am unspiritual, sold into slavery to sin. For I don’t understand what I am doing. For I do not do what I want—instead, I do what I hate. But if I do what I don’t want, I agree that the law is good. But now it is no longer me doing it, but sin that lives in me. For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For I want to do the good, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but I do the very evil I do not want! Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer me doing it but sin that lives in me.


It's a old parable....

 
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One time, one or two years ago, while in the spirit, I heard my inner child talking to Jesus. I knew it was me, but it was a child's voice.

Psalm 131:2 -
Surely I have calmed and quieted my soul,
Like a weaned child with his mother;
Like a weaned child is my soul within me.

Luke 18 - Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”
 
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One time, one or two years ago, while in the spirit, I heard my inner child talking to Jesus. I knew it was me, but it was a child's voice.

Psalm 131:2 -
Surely I have calmed and quieted my soul,
Like a weaned child with his mother;
Like a weaned child is my soul within me.

Luke 18 - Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”

Maybe it was hungry.

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
 
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We all begin our physical lives here as a helpless child. Without our parents we could do nothing. As we got older we developed a means to cope with, and even thrive in, this world. We tend toward independence.
True. But this term "inner child" is a psychology term that has many negative implications like: Personality starts in childhood and is defined as a range of habits, some good and some bad. Nevertheless, we start with rebelliousness as we can see in the terrible two stage. That is not how we come to Christ. Then there is a sense of a child's ignorance and innocence taught by psychology. But we are born sinners - we are not innocent. Then there is a sense that we need to look for this inner child, a key enlightenment within oursleves ... to get in touch with our inner child. Then there is a sense that god is within, to look within ourselves for god - and so we see the massive amounts of self-help books that are humanistic. So the person that thinks that God is within us can say, I am God, like Sherly Maclain shouted out to the universal energy force. God is not within us until we are washed by His blood and He gives us the Holy Spirit to live in us. Prior to being born again, He is not in us! He is outside of us knocking on our door. We need to invite Him into our lives.
So there us a lot of psycho- babble that should not be blended with Christianity. We are to die to our old selves, whether children or adults!
The only aspect of a child that Jesus wants us to have is humility, realizing we know nothing, in fear of God. That attitude of wonder and awe that draws a child to something or someone is the idea. Adults have pride, thinking they know it all. So we are to drop all that pride and come to Him as if we know nothing and seek Him, without preconceived notions, without doubts, skepticism, fully trusting, and with open arms and come to our Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Our vessels must be emptied of the flesh before God can pour His Spirit into us.
Our vessel, our spiritual compartment if you will, our most holy place, our Temple was already empty and void. GOD FILLED IT.
Being eternally minded means a self-abnegation that seeks no other comfort other than what God sends to us by His Spirit. In our independent state we tend to find comfort for ourselves. But doing that foregoes the need to seek God for His Comforter.
Yet you abnegate the Holy Spirit, a person. You seek comfort from Him, yet you deny Him. HE IS God, the Comforter, Whom the Father sent and Jesus sent to live in us. Non-Trinitarians are confused.
..I came NOT to call the righteous to repentance....most modern believers thinks he meant "self-righteous". But this is the opposite of what it means. Jesus says that the righteous have no need of a doctor. Their heart isn't sick
No, Jesus was referring to the Pharisees, who thought they kept the Law and thought they were self-righteous. He didn't come for them, the prideful. He came for those who realize they are sinners, who are meek, humble and realize they need a Savior.

The HOLY don't sin. The righteous sin...as the bible teaches. There is none righteous that never sin. A righteous man acknowledges his sins...and therefore God can forgive him. God justifies the repentant heart....declaring it just. Go back to the bible and do an honest study...the Publican was a sinner...but he repented of his sins. God justified him...and that's before Jesus came on the scene.
Holy has a dual meaning. 1. Separate, different 2. Righteousness.
A good teaching on what Holy means:


All are sinners and wicked...yet there are the righteous. People who only see one side of things will of course disagree. How wicked was Abel
Righteousness is imputed to us by God. It is God's work through us ONLY that is righteous. So we experience moments when we do something right, a deed, a word of encouragement, a scripture shared at the right moment, love, kindness ... it is the work of the Holy Spirit, the fruit of the Holy Spirit. God ordained all good works. We cannot do nothing without Him. And when we do these things, we feel God present. Every good work comes from God, so He gets the credit. When we do something ordained by God, it is an act, a moment of perfection, holy, righteous, set apart from our normal daily activities. Then it's done, we have lunch, play basketball, go to a movie, walk your dog, go back to your job, whatever. But we are not perfect, Holy and righteous all the time are we?
 
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Some here really need to go over the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. Realizing how Phariseeism works...we see that God doesn't look at us according to our dogmatic stance but our hearts. It is the dogmatic stance we should avoid as this condemns us.
The story of the publican and Pharisee are about those who aren't saved, who haven't yet come to the Messiah. This agrees with what Jesus was saying about sinners needing a physician, but not those who already think they are righteous implying that He would be of no benefit to those who don't think they need a Physician and thus wouldn't receive Him. But concerning those who already do know the Lord, Jesus said we only need to allow Him to wash our "feet", since we have already had the bath and are every whit clean otherwise.

But we DO need to allow Him to wash our feet, no mistake....or we'll have no part with Him, as Jesus said to Peter. Only when we start to realize how dirty our feet are (by the light of the Lord) do we really begin to allow and seek this. I believe this is talking about our soulish flesh nature of the old/outer man, and is the reason for all the chastisements, that we may partake of His holiness.
 

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The story of the publican and Pharisee are about those who aren't saved, who haven't yet come to the Messiah. This agrees with what Jesus was saying about sinners needing a physician, but not those who already think they are righteous implying that He would be of no benefit to those who don't think they need a Physician and thus wouldn't receive Him. But concerning those who already do know the Lord, Jesus said we only need to allow Him to wash our "feet", since we have already had the bath and are every whit clean otherwise.

But we DO need to allow Him to wash our feet, no mistake....or we'll have no part with Him, as Jesus said to Peter. Only when we start to realize how dirty our feet are (by the light of the Lord) do we really begin to allow and seek this. I believe this is talking about our soulish flesh nature of the old/outer man, and is the reason for all the chastisements, that we may partake of His holiness.
its obvious he does not understand that parable at all..
 

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But we are not perfect, Holy and righteous all the time are we?

Did God make us anything less by the Cross of Christ?

The born again are "made righteous"......as having become...."the righteousness of GOD.... In Christ".

"imputed Righteousness" isn't part time.

You have it, or you don't.

You're born again, or you're not.

"but what if i"

"but yesterday, i"

"but im having trouble with "".


A.) "MADE Righteous".


see that "made"? That means you didn't do it.

WELCOME To : Salvation

""Its a "GIFT" of Righteousness" that lasts for as long as God lives.
 
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This is one of the prevailing lies in our culture today.....a belief (in spite of all the evidence to the contrary) that human nature is inherently good....but the bible teaches the opposite. It's the very reason mankind needs a Saviour. The verses that speak of this are on both an individual as well as global level. What pleases God is faith....when obedience proceeds from faith it is accepted by Him. Didn't even Paul say that in the flesh dwells no good thing? That is what each of us needs to learn...most of us aren't really aware of that in the beginning of our faith until the Lord begins to shine His light so that we can start to see ourselves as we truly are. This is one reason why we need a love of the truth..to be able to receive the hard truths about ourselves, so that we will cooperate with God in working out our salvation and begin to put our old man under our/Christ's feet. This is what all the chastisements are for...to weaken and kill our old man/outer man - the carnal nature. "We" must decrease so that Christ may increase.
Which is also the outworking of sanctification or progressive sanctification, denied by some, @Episkopos one of them.
Johann.
 

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Did God make us anything less by the Cross of Christ?

The born again are "made righteous"......as having become...."the righteousness of GOD.... In Christ".

"imputed Righteousness" isn't part time.

You have it, or you don't.

You're born again, or you're not.

"but what if i"

"but yesterday, i"

"but im having trouble with "".


A.) "MADE Righteous".


see that "made"? That means you didn't do it.

WELCOME To : Salvation

""Its a "GIFT" of Righteousness" that lasts for as long as God lives.
I just don’t see it in myself, I’ve read the New Testament for years, and it seems the more I read of Jesus and the apostles of Christ the less I see any similarities in my life.

Sometimes I wish I could be as many on here. Seeing myself as Christ like, but I just don’t possess the energy anymore too continue the delusion.

For me, I’m done mocking his cross. All this endless begging for forgiveness and repentance.. it’s becoming more and more evident that my inability to perform may only be a willingness to believe it really is a done deal and this is as good as it’s gonna be.

What would you say @Behold, isn’t all this repetitive repentance merely saying one doesn’t believe it’s a done deal?
 
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I just don’t see it in myself, I’ve read the New Testament for years, and it seems the more I read of Jesus and the apostles of Christ the less I see any similarities in my life.

Sometimes I wish I could be as many on here. Seeing myself as Christ like, but I just don’t possess the energy anymore too continue the delusion.

For me, I’m done mocking his cross. All this endless begging for forgiveness and repentance.. it’s becoming more and more evident that my inability to perform may only be a willingness to believe it really is a done deal and this is as good as it’s gonna be.

What would you say @Behold, isn’t all this repetitive repentance merely saying one doesn’t believe it’s a done deal?
The inner man is every bit in the image of Christ, if we have received Him. But have you seen no changes in your life? No sins gone at all? No affections for things of this world gone? No healing at all? If someone is on the narrow path, carrying their cross and dying to themselves there should be some changes over the years - some things just kind of slough off over time, other things require a targeted and specific battle as we seek the Lord for victory....we are God's workmanship....He the Potter, we the clay. The bible says if we confess our sins God will be faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from unrighteousness. (The ENTRANCE of His word giveth light...we need to receive and believe His word.) Do you have a fear of the Lord (vitally necessary), or are you without chastisements?

Don't give up. If repentance is sincere, God will forgive seventy x seven times (ie, unlimited). And remember the parable of the persistent widow. Times of seemingly delayed answers to prayer are times of testing and proving and waiting on God. And sometimes I think He wants us to grow so sick of ourselves we will not be in danger of forgetting what it was like and falling back later...it's sometimes part of how He chastises us for our good.
 
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