Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was fulfilled

[Marty fox]

Revelation 20:4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


In the verses below Paul spoke in current and past tense stating that we even though alive have been already seated with Christ spiritually thus we reign on thrones with Jesus now


Ephesians 2:4-6

4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

 

[Curtis]

Revelation 20:4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


In the verses below Paul spoke in current and past tense stating that we even though alive have been already seated with Christ spiritually thus we reign on thrones with Jesus now


Ephesians 2:4-6

4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Apples and oranges.

The Ephesians 2 verse is a spiritual rebirth of those who were PHYSICALLY ALIVE, but spiritually dead.

The revelation 20 verse is the bodily resurrection of those who were PHYSICALLY DEAD and physically resurrected.

I’d say close but no cigar, but that’s not even close.

Shalom.

 

[Marty fox]

Apples and oranges.

The Ephesians 2 verse is a spiritual rebirth of those who were PHYSICALLY ALIVE, but spiritually dead.

The revelation 20 verse is the bodily resurrection of those who were PHYSICALLY DEAD and physically resurrected.

I’d say close but no cigar, but that’s not even close.

Shalom.

But revelation says that John saw the souls not the bodies the body is never mentioned

 

[Curtis]

But revelation says that John saw the souls not the bodies the body is never mentioned

The souls in heaven return with Jesus and are reunited with their resurrected bodies.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Shalom.

 

[Enoch111]

In the verses below Paul spoke in current and past tense stating that we even though alive have been already seated with Christ spiritually thus we reign on thrones with Jesus now

You've got things really mixed up. No, Revelation 20:4 is far from having been fulfilled. There is a chronological progression in Revelation, which means that Revelation 20 is a long ways off. And the passage you have quoted has no bearing on this.

 

[Marty fox]

You've got things really mixed up. No, Revelation 20:4 is far from having been fulfilled. There is a chronological progression in Revelation, which means that Revelation 20 is a long ways off. And the passage you have quoted has no bearing on this.

How does it have no bearing?

Revelation 20:4 says "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge." and "They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years"

Ephesians 2 says "And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,"

Paul states it as happening in his time and they say the exact same thing. I have provided proof directly from the scriptures which tie directly to each other and the scriptures are the only facts that we have and you have only provided you view

 

[Ziggy]

The book of Revelation is all encompassing. It covers things that have been, things that are, and things that will be.
I believe the book of Revelation is all the time.
It is history repeating itself over and over again.. no beginning and no end.. eternal.

I believe Paul saw himself spiritually in that kingdom that we seek with our hands and eyes.
It's not that Revelation was fulfilled, but is being fulfilled every day, in every age.

If we could literally remove our spirits from our fleshly bodies, the world would look much differently.
You would see a world of darkness and a world of light.
You would see evil and you would see good.
You would understand that many are walking in that kingdom and many are still bound in the flesh.

But to say that that verse in Revelation has been fulfilled and is no longer relevant..
I disagree.

And that's my opinion.
Because I still live in a flesh body and see the world through eyes of flesh, and yet my spirit is in God's kingdom with him always at the same time.

The dividing of the bone and marrow..
Faith..
Hugs

 

[Marty fox]

The souls in heaven return with Jesus and are reunited with their resurrected bodies.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Shalom.

Yes of course the souls will connect with their new bodies in the future but the souls are with Jesus now

 

[Marty fox]

Tha

The book of Revelation is all encompassing. It covers things that have been, things that are, and things that will be.
I believe the book of Revelation is all the time.
It is history repeating itself over and over again.. no beginning and no end.. eternal.

I believe Paul saw himself spiritually in that kingdom that we seek with our hands and eyes.
It's not that Revelation was fulfilled, but is being fulfilled every day, in every age.

If we could literally remove our spirits from our fleshly bodies, the world would look much differently.
You would see a world of darkness and a world of light.
You would see evil and you would see good.
You would understand that many are walking in that kingdom and many are still bound in the flesh.

But to say that that verse in Revelation has been fulfilled and is no longer relevant..
I disagree.

And that's my opinion.
Because I still live in a flesh body and see the world through eyes of flesh, and yet my spirit is in God's kingdom with him always at the same time.

The dividing of the bone and marrow..
Faith..
Hugs

Thanks and I agree but I guess I didn't specify I am not saying that it was fully fulfilled what I meant was that it started happening at the cross and is still happening now and in the future as each person becomes a believer.

 

[Enoch111]

you have only provided you view

I already said there is a chronological progression. We are presently in the Church Age. Revelation 20 is about the Millennium. You can't simply confuse the two time frames.

 

[Marty fox]

I already said there is is a chronological progression. We are presently in the Church Age. Revelation 20 is about the Millennium. You can't simply confuse the two time frames.

I already said there is a chronological progression. We are presently in the Church Age. Revelation 20 is about the Millennium. You can't simply confuse the two time frames.

How would the church age not be the millennium? Jesus said "it is finished" what more needs to happen to save man kind?

How would you explain what Paul said? What did he mean by saying "6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus"?

 

[Timtofly]

But revelation says that John saw the souls not the bodies the body is never mentioned

How do you give a soul life? It cannot die. To give a soul life, you give it a body. The body died. The soul needs a new body to live on earth. John uses the word soul to indicate a change in the state of the soul. The soul is not changed. How the soul interacts with creation changes. In the 5th Seal souls are glorified. In Revelation 20:4 the souls are resurrected and given a physical body.