Perfection, when will we gain it?

[Taken]

Of themselves, No.

No one is saved of themselves.

If they truly turn to Christ, their lives are changed moment by moment on the road to sanctification.

“IF” On the road TO sanctification…applies to a Believer.

But never can they claim perfection.

An individual’s “Perfection”
1) After Receiving forgiveness.
2) After a bodily death.
3) After Receiving Soul Sanctification.
4) After Receiving a Heart circumcision.
5) After Receiving Gods Seed.
6) After Receiving a Born Again Spirit.
7) After Receiving God’s Spirit of Truth.
8) After Receiving their New Glorified Body.

THEN “shall” that Individual BE “Perfected”.

* HOWEVER…
An Individual “bodily Crucified WITH Christ Jesus”…
* “IS” “ACCOUNTED” (according to Gods accounting) Perfect-ED “IN” Christ.
(Which is to say;
* That individual YET bodily ALIVE, Has already Pledge His “Bodily Life” unto “DEATH”, FOR the Lord God.
* That individual HAS Received;
Forgiveness, Sanctification of his soul, Circumcision of his heart, Gods Seed, Quickening (rebirth) of his spirit, Gods Spirit of Truth…..
* and Occupies “Christ Jesus” RISEN Glorified Perfect BODY”…..
* Until that own Individual’s BODY is raised up PERFECT…/ Glorified.

THAT ^ Person “IS”:
Forgiven, Soul saved, Spirit quickened, With-IN God, God with-IN him……and that person can SIN no more.
His soul “IS” saved.
His spirit “IS” born again.
He WAITS for his “own” body to be risen perfect-ED (glorified).

They ARE called…….”ARE Sanctified”.
They ARE called…….”IN” Christ.

Acts 20:
[32] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Acts.26
[18] To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

1Cor.1
[2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1Cor.6
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Heb.2
[11] For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Heb.10
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Jude.1
[1] Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Rom 8:
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

That is up to God, and He has given it to Christ to judge which is laid out in scripture.

Of course, same as I have already said.
Everyone RECEIVES from God, what God Has OFFERED, according TO:
Gods Order and Way.

Reject the Lord God…and the Lord God will REJECT giving to the rejector.

Believe in the Lord God…and Hope you continue in Belief, until the day of your physical death.

Believe in the Lord God…and Heartfully Confess your true belief…and receive Sanctification Now.

Gods Order and Way.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Johann]

That Ye May Know That Ye Have Eternal Life
by Pastor J. C. O'Hair




The statement of our Lord Jesus Christ, recorded in John 5:24, should certainly give assurance to any one whose trust is in the Word of God, whose hope is in the redemptive work of God’s only begotten Son. God said: “this is My beloved Son: hear ye Him”. Now hear Him:

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My Word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 5:24.

The believer has eternal life. The believer shall not come into judgment. The believer has passed out of death into life.

Most certainly God wants believers to have a positive “know so” salvation, the real assurance of salvation. Hear God’s own Word:

“These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the Son of God.” I John 5: 13 The Greek word, translated “know” is “iedo” and the other definition in the Greek dictionary is “perceive” and “to be sure”. Can you not see then that God wants you to know, “to be sure”, that you have eternal life; because you believe unto the salvation of your soul. You did not obtain your salvation by earning it or by laboring for it. Neither do you retain it because you are paying for it with your good works.

Eternal life is God’s free gift to the believing sinner. The believing sinner is not saved because he is worthy; but because he believes. He believes God and he believes that Jesus Christ is God’s Worthy One. Christ, on the tree, suffered for sins once, the just for the unjust that He might bring us to God. I Peter 3:18. It is Christ’s work, and not ours, that brings us to God. Christ’s work was a perfect work. “God, which cannot lie, promised us eternal life before the world began.” Titus 1:2. Not according to our works but according to His grace and purpose which was given us in Christ Jesus.” II Timothy 1:9. Christ’s perfect work makes sinners perfect and complete. Hebrews 10:14. Colossians 2:10. Reverently speaking, God can do nothing but save the sinner who comes to Him by the way of His Son by the way of His cross.

“If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the God of this age hath blinded the minds of them that believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” II Corinthians 4:3 and 4.

The god of this age is very clever. He is called “Satan”, that “old devil”, who has deceived the whole world. Revelation 12:11. This is the crime with which he is charged. We are warned against him. He is like a roaring lion walking about seeking whom he may devour. In Eden he beguiled Eve through his subtlety. We are not to be ignorant of his devices. II Corinthians 11:3; II Corinthians 2:20; Ephesians 6:11. We are told that he is transformed into an angel of light, that he has religious servants who are ministers of righteousness, and, who do their work by imitating the servants of Christ. II Corinthians 11:13 to 15.

There are millions of religious people, identified with some Satanic cult, who have a peace that is not genuine, who have a false security, a hopeless hope, but withal complacent and completely satisfied with their delusion. They are headed, with all their religion, for the sorrows of the second death. They have done the very thing that God’s Word declares leads to that fearful vengeance described in Hebrews 10:25 to 30. They have treated Christ’s shed blood as an unholy thing and have despised the grace of God. This is the sure way to God’s vengeance. God’s grace is available and altogether sufficient for sinners. Christ’s shed blood is the only way to eternal life, the sinner’s only hope, God’s only remedy for sin. Remember, God’s controversy with fallen humanity is sin and death. Christ put away sin by dying and then He abolished death.

Thus we see that this great adversary deludes millions of religious people and gives to them a sense of security, corrupting their minds from the simplicity that is “in Christ”. He causes them to so misinterpret and so misapply the plain teaching of the Word of God, that they reject the gospel of the grace of God and redemption through the shed blood of the Son of God, following the fallacy of some self-appointed religious prophet for whom the followers claim special inspiration, visions or revelations. These different false prophets differ much in their various interpretations, but each claims to have the true Bible religion and the sure way to the Bible heaven, and the peace of God, while enroute to their final reward.

Think of the multitude in Christian Science, Unity, New Thought, Modernism, Unitarianism, Russellism, Mormonism and other “isms”; twice dead, plucked up by the roots, calmed into the sleep of death by the devil’s religious opiate, which is something far more serious than “another gospel”, “the perverted gospel”, in the days of Paul. Galatians 1:6 to 10. The messengers, who give forth this message of death, use Christian phraseology and corrupt the Christian’s Bible, to carry on their soul-damning work; for their master is transformed into an angel of light. II Corinthians 11:13 to 15.

Let us never minimize or discount the work of Satan.

While the devil gives this false security to these lost religious victims, he fills the hearts of many truly redeemed sinners, God’s own children, with doubt and fear, and sometimes with despair. They trust much in their feelings or in their religious activities and experiences. wondering whether they will really reach heaven. They sum up their good works to see if the total is enough to keep them in God’s favor or get them into God’s heaven. Others strive for sinless perfection, agonizing to reach a state of holiness that will fit them for glory. Many of the redeemed of the Lord hesitate to say, “I know I am saved.” To them that would be presumptuous or boasting. They are not properly taught in God’s Word. No true believer will glory in himself or in his works or worthiness. The Bible-taught child of God has no confidence in the flesh. He should endeavor, sincerely, every day, to give the Lord the very best service that is possible, by His grace; but he will not depend upon that faithful service for his eternal security.

That Ye May Know That Ye Have Eternal Life

The statement of our Lord Jesus Christ, recorded in John 5:24, should certainly give assurance to any one whose trust is in the Word of God, whose hope is in the redemptive work of God’s only begotten Son. God said: “this is My beloved Son: hear ye Him”. Now hear Him: “Verily, verily, I say unto yo

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[Hobie]

No one is saved of themselves.



“IF” On the road TO sanctification…applies to a Believer.



An individual’s “Perfection”
1) After Receiving forgiveness.
2) After a bodily death.
3) After Receiving Soul Sanctification.
4) After Receiving a Heart circumcision.
5) After Receiving Gods Seed.
6) After Receiving a Born Again Spirit.
7) After Receiving God’s Spirit of Truth.
8) After Receiving their New Glorified Body.

THEN “shall” that Individual BE “Perfected”.

* HOWEVER…
An Individual “bodily Crucified WITH Christ Jesus”…
* “IS” “ACCOUNTED” (according to Gods accounting) Perfect-ED “IN” Christ.
(Which is to say;
* That individual YET bodily ALIVE, Has already Pledge His “Bodily Life” unto “DEATH”, FOR the Lord God.
* That individual HAS Received;
Forgiveness, Sanctification of his soul, Circumcision of his heart, Gods Seed, Quickening (rebirth) of his spirit, Gods Spirit of Truth…..
* and Occupies “Christ Jesus” RISEN Glorified Perfect BODY”…..
* Until that own Individual’s BODY is raised up PERFECT…/ Glorified.

THAT ^ Person “IS”:
Forgiven, Soul saved, Spirit quickened, With-IN God, God with-IN him……and that person can SIN no more.
His soul “IS” saved.
His spirit “IS” born again.
He WAITS for his “own” body to be risen perfect-ED (glorified).

They ARE called…….”ARE Sanctified”.
They ARE called…….”IN” Christ.

Acts 20:
[32] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Acts.26
[18] To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

1Cor.1
[2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1Cor.6
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Heb.2
[11] For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Heb.10
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Jude.1
[1] Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Rom 8:
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



Of course, same as I have already said.
Everyone RECEIVES from God, what God Has OFFERED, according TO:
Gods Order and Way.

Reject the Lord God…and the Lord God will REJECT giving to the rejector.

Believe in the Lord God…and Hope you continue in Belief, until the day of your physical death.

Believe in the Lord God…and Heartfully Confess your true belief…and receive Sanctification Now.

Gods Order and Way.

Glory to God,
Taken

You forgot two words, 'by faith'...

 

[Taken]

You forgot two words, 'by faith'...

Nothing forgotten…
Gods Offering of salvation and and an earthy mans receipt of salvation is ALWAYS according to Gods “Order and Way”, as I have spoken about in depth.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Hobie]

Think you need to see what the Bible says on this which is a core Christian belief, here is a good explanation..
"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." -- Heb.11:6.
"That they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." -- Acts 26:18.

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: by whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand." -- Rom.5:1, 2.

Faith in the blood of Christ. "Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate." -- Heb.13:12. "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." -- 1 John 1:7.

Dead to sin by faith. "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin ... Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." -- Rom.6:6, 7, 11.

Free from sin by faith. "Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness ... For as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness ... But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." -- Rom.6:18-22. "Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." -- John 8:34-36.

"And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.... He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil." -- 1 John 3:5-10.

A pure heart by faith. "And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith." -- Acts 15:8, 9.

We receive the Holy Spirit by faith. "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ: that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." -- Gal.3:14. "That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost." -- Rom.15:16. "If ye then, being evil [earthly], know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" -- Luke 11:13.

Sanctification is a redemption blessing offered to us upon specified conditions. The natural and general blessings of God toward men, such as the sunshine, rain, and all other temporal or earthly blessings, may be received alike by both saint and sinner, who come into conformity with the natural laws by which these natural blessings are governed. Every redemption or spiritual blessing is also governed by divinely fixed laws, which if complied with will invariably bring to us all that is contained in the promise. God is able to bestow upon us these blessings unconditionally if this should be his sovereign will in some individual instances; but according to his redemption plan there is no assurance given to anyone for any of these specified blessings without a strict conformity to divine law. The word of God plainly sets forth the laws upon which these different redemption blessings are based. Repentance and faith are the laws of justification. It is a divinely established fact that God cannot lie. He has forever settled his word in heaven and also upon earth; therefore, it is impossible that any sinner should comply with the laws of repentance and faith and not be justified. Consecration and faith are the laws of sanctification, which if complied with, must necessarily bring us into this glorious soul-rest.

We have considered the law of consecration as a condition of sanctification in a previous chapter; and from the quoted texts in this chapter we will now briefly consider the law of faith. These laws are definitely fixed, and must as definitely be complied with. A definite consecration and a definite faith will produce a definite experience. One great lack in the church today is a lack of definiteness. The doctrine of sanctification must be more definitely taught by God's anointed ministry, who have themselves definitely met the conditions, both to obtain and retain this definite experience. When it is definitely taught it will consequently be definitely sought and obtained.

In the apostle's commission we distinctly see that we are sanctified by faith. Acts 26:18. We also see that Jesus suffered on the cross that he might sanctify us with his own blood. This points us to the fact that we must have faith in his blood. This grace is purchased for us, and now it is for us to receive it. We also see that he has made provision in this same purchase that we may be kept sanctified. This is upon the simple condition of walking in the light as he is in the light. The result of which is: his blood cleanseth us from all sin. These precious truths will do us no good if we do not believe them. No heart can ever receive the benefits of this inestimable purchase without faith. Faith is the hand that reaches out and takes it. Jesus can do no more than he has done to bring it to us. He holds it out to us, all perfect and complete, and as we meet the conditions of consecration and faith it becomes ours.

The apostle teaches us in Rom.6:11 to reckon ourselves "dead indeed unto sin." This can be done only by faith. The reckoning of faith is a very simple process; it is just believing God. Abraham believed God, simply reckoned that what God said was true, and then God counted something to Abraham. He counted it to him for righteousness....