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Personal preference, what you were taught, lack of interest?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by snr5557, Jan 25, 2014.

  1. snr5557

    snr5557 Member

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    On this site, and on others, I've heard how people don't accept much of what science has to say. Not just evolution, although that's a big one. I've heard doubt about whether the Earth revolves around the Sun.

    I've alway believed in what credible science has to say. So why don't others? It is personal preference, what you had been taught (some people don't really undertand some science, and then they tell others so that second person is told the wrong information), or is it because people just don't care to learn?

    Please discuss your thoughts below. Oh, and have an awesome weekend.
     
  2. lforrest

    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    Mostly I think it is due to the influence emotions have on people's beliefs. Understand that people will be obstinate when hearing a disagreeable idea due to their own emotional reaction. But know also that it goes both ways, and it creates a bias toward's ones own ideas. The truth of a matter can't be determined by anyone influenced by these factors, save for the odd chance that their emotions lead them in the correct direction. I trust no one that shows their bias.

    The "science" of evolution is heavily influenced by the personal bias of those promoting it. It ceases to be science when you abandon the scientific principle in an attempt to integrate it into an over-reaching origins theory.
     
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  4. Dodo_David

    Dodo_David Melmacian in human guise

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    I don't know why, but some people in the USA display pride in the fact that they have no scientific training at a college level.

    Plus, people are able to become preachers because they are domineering, assertive, loud and forceful, and if such preachers lead cowardly flocks, then those preachers can turn their flocks against scientific discoveries.

    Also, modern-day westerners have a habit of being ethnocentric without being aware that they are that. They incorrectly assume that the way they interpret ancient Hebrew literature is the same way that the ancient Hebrews interpreted it.
     
  5. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    i am going to sum up a very long post i wrote and accidently erased. People are basically fearful because we are separated from God so instead of submiting to His reconciliation we act pridefully by hiding behind our strong opinion. the stronger the opinion, the greater the fear and depair we are trying to bury. Faith is the only way to unlock the prison of our own opinion by removing judgment all together, which transforms our tendency to come together as mere Fans into lovers of God and neighbor.
     
  6. Quantrill

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    I have no problem with science as science doesn't know everything and is always having to change what it believes. And most scientists recognize that science is learning. Its not absolute. Pluto may have been a planet yesterday. But today not. etc. etc.

    Therefore when I want to know 'truth' then I trust the Bible which is the absolute Word of God. And when science contridicts the Bible, I go with the Bible. Because, science will just change its mind again.

    Quantrill
     
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    I have a degree in exercise physiology, which is a science degree. With that in mind, what Quantrill said is 100% the way I look at it.

    In that field (I am no longer in it) you would not believe how often scientists disagree. I'm sure and have been told it's the same in other fields as well, but some of the arguements can get rather heated amongst scientists (and worse, their followers). They all write their peer reviewed articles and then there are critiques and such... What that clearly points out is that even if they got closer to the answer, they haven't found it. Sometimes they don't even get closer, they just raise more questions and find new problems with calling one theory "a scientific law".

    In short, it's not so much the "science" that's the problem, but the scientists. Not merely because they are hardheaded, but because they are dealing with subjects far beyond human comprehension. "How exactly does the human body work?" "How do you kill cancer without killing the organism?" "How did the universe form?" Scientists can prod and pick, but there is no way currently to find the answer.

    Then you have the emotional side everyone else touched on. The science community as a whole is bent on the belief that they can prove anything, and even more so: there is a scientific explanation for everything. It's basically the cree of the the science community.
     
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  9. FHII

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    snr,

    I wasn't implying that scientists should stop looking for keys to how the human body works, especially for cancer cures... Perhaps one day they'll lick that problem... They certainly have come a long way. But I'm pretty sure they will never figure out all the ins and outs. Doing so would allow them to create life from scratch. That was what I was getting at.
     
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    FHII

    ok
     
  11. Angelina

    Angelina Prayer Warrior Staff Member Admin

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    ...because Christians believe what the bible says about creation. Science constantly challenges God's design by creating other explanations [evolution for example] in the hope that man will not have to face judgment...and that's the reality of it. :huh:

    If Christians do not believe the creation story, then they will have some serious difficulty in understanding the fall and salvation by grace through faith in Jesus and consequently - eternal life!

    Blessings!!!
     
  12. Dodo_David

    Dodo_David Melmacian in human guise

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    Folks, the book of Genesis isn't a Science text and was never intended to be a Science text.

    A modern-day, western, ethnocentric interpretation of Genesis 1 isn't required in order to accept the reality of the death, burial and resurrection of the Savior Messiah Jesus.
     
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    For thousands of years mankind believed the earth was at the center of the universe and everything else revolved around it.

    It is even alluded to in the bible

    "Modern science" says NO !!! .... and most of us would agree .... or would we ???

    I was listening to a discussion by scientists who were laughing at some Christians who still believe the earth is at the center.

    So I asked ..... "where is the center of the universe" ??

    Reply ... there is no actual center .... they went on to say that wherever you are in the universe you are in the center.

    So I said .... then if I am on earth it is the center of the universe ...

    Boy were they ever mad.
     
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    No Christian should be against science. In fact Christians love science / seeking truth!

    Having said that, we can certainly learn a lot from the Galileo affair in how to interpret scripture that seems to be at odds with science. ie. ''The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved'' The earth seems still but is not literally still. There is no lie, rather a phenomenological view. Then context is needed as one verse mentions four corners of the earth (implying flat) and another that it is a circle in Isaiah 40:21-22. But whatever the context or view...there is no space / toleration for evolution. It is a clear-cut loggerhead to scripture. 'We are created just beneath the angels' / 'we are in the image of God' can only be interpreted one way. Adam never sought counsel with his ape father and Adam never kept his ape father as a pet....as Adam never had a father. Adam was 6 000 years ago, not 200 000 years ago according to evolution.
     
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  15. Dodo_David

    Dodo_David Melmacian in human guise

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    We also need to keep in mind that the Old Testament makes use of ancient Hebrew cosmology

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    Knowledge of many things in the Bible are not required to believe in Jesus Christ.

    But...when science contridicts the testimony of Scripture then the Christian must side with the Bible instead of Science. That is true whether it be science, history etc.

    Quantrill
     
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    Quantrill Is correct, and I was not going to post, as I get myself in trouble with this topic quite a bit, however a couple more things need to be said to make this complete. (In my opinion)

    Science can be a good thing. Please keep in mind, however, that science is based in man's understanding of the "reality" he can see, from the perspective he currently views "this reality" from. A scientist has no idea at any given time what it is he does NOT know that will change the whole dynamic of the "reality" he is attempting to dissect. For example, it was just a short 200 years ago a scientist first discovered we breathe oxygen...that was kinda a game changer...now I say the earth is around 6,000 or 7,000 years old, an evolutionary scientist is up to around 4 billion years (give or take a few billion if we find something that doesn't fit). The point is, 200 years ago is nothing to 6,000 years much less than 4,000,000,000 years. If we just found out we breathe oxygen in that time (a pretty big thing) what small things are missing that we can not even perceive yet? How are those things going to change everything the next time?

    Secondly, can't we just agree that we all operate under the same principles of faith, we just place our faith in different things. (man vs God) I have no problem with evolution and creation being taught in schools, they are both accepted by using faith. Doubtless, science uses differing words to describe their faith. They use words such as theory, hypothesis, postulate, conjecture....all words for faith. There is no difference. Be careful where you place your faith. I will side with what God says, and watch for how man is trying to discredit Him next whenever I am in doubt.

    SL
     
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