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  1. Jordan

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    I need it SO badly. I don't know how I am going to make it in this world. I love my family souls. I love my friends souls. I love everybody souls. Christ is everything to me. Everybody elses I love so much and means alot to me.Mark 13:13 - And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.II Timothy 3:12 - Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.John 15:18 - If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.For I can not love evil doctrines. I hate all evil doctrines. (Tradition of men) I can not be nice to evil.I am this soul that is LIKE without a family and friends. And I'm trying to fight for Life. (I Timothy 6:12)This may be MY last post here at Christianity Board. Please remember me forever in your prayers. I need it all the more. I'm sitting here typing in tears.I wish I could tell you the details.Jag
     
  2. Godgiven

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    Dear thesuperjag,Please dry your tears. I have been reading this site for a very long time and have only posted once, not including the initial "welcome" that kriss so graciously did for me as I was not yet familiar with CB system. I have paid particular attention to your posts, which have been clearly written with the love you have for the Father and the Son. You have contributed significantly to all those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. The scriptures that you included above are Father's Truth and should be encouragement to you, whatever circumstances and/or lies you are facing. THERE IS NO LOVE IN A LIE! Recognize it. Depart from it. Continue on. Those of us who know Him as The Word and hear His still, small voice, are to be at peace, the peace only our Father through His Son can give. His peace passes all understanding. Focus on the scriptures that you posted. Read them aloud. Faith comes by hearing. Nothing is new under the sun. All His sheep face the same wolves, who feed on lies and spew them. Yeshua Messiah, Jesus Christ, is the Good Shepherd. He protects and tends His flock. Take comfort in Him and know that nothing more is happening to you that has not happened to all men, above all Christ, who bore the sins and lies of the world for our sake. Our Saviour overcame the world and as long as you remain in Him, you will as well.I pray that you give whatever burden has brought you to tears to Him, for the battle is His. Through Yeshua Messiah, our Father has given us His Holy Spirit as our Comforter. Receive His peace, superjag, and continue on through completion. Fight the good fight. In Him, you will overcome. Be strong and of good courage.2 Corinthians 12:9-10 And He said unto me, "My grace is sufficient for thee: for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore, I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses FOR CHRIST'S SAKE; for when I am weak, then am I strong.In His Service,Godgiven
     
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    May the Lord give you comfort. I get a lot of enjoyment reading your threads. Even though you dont have a name. Get up and keep up the good work in the Lord.Crooner
     
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    I need it SO badly. I don't know how I am going to make it in this world. I love my family souls. I love my friends souls. I love everybody souls. Christ is everything to me. Everybody elses I love so much and means alot to me.This may be MY last post here at Christianity Board. Please remember me forever in your prayers. I need it all the more. I'm sitting here typing in tears.I wish I could tell you the details.Jag
    You are in my prayers Jag. I don't know what you are going through but the scriptures you posted lead me to believe that your family and friends are trying to keep you from believing and worshipping as you do. Are they trying to make you fit into their idea of what you should be doing? :naughty:Stay strong and continue to love them but know that they can't read your mind, they can't be with you every moment in the day, they can't hear your prayers at night......Father can and does! :angel9:If this is what you are going through remember what Christ said:Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.36.And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.37.He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.That doesn't mean you must hate family but you must love Him more.Continue your search for His truth :study: and I'll keep praying for you............Whirlwind
     
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    (((( Jag)))))Father God, embrace Jag in your Spiritual love, give her strength and endurance through this difficult time, help her to remain focus on you, trusting your will, bless her with your inner peace, in your precious name, amen. Proverbs 3:5-35 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.God :blessyou:
     
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    Jag,You can be sure that whatever you are going through that God will help you through!'So do not fear for I am your God, do not be dismayed for I am with you. I will strengthen you and help you, I will uphold you with my rightious right hand.' -Isaiha 41:10'Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsey say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, BECAUSE GREAT IS YOUR REWARD IN HEAVEN, for in the same way the persecuted the prophets who were before you.' -Matthew 5: 11-12
     
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    Hi Jag,Matthew 24: 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.I am wondering if my thread offended you now.. the one on "The Name of Yahshua?"I have always thought we were like-minded in Christ. I did ask in my first post for any correction if what I had come across wasn't entirely true. I hope you understand that we are all walking with the Lord, but there will be growths of maturity as well as prunings so as to bear more fruit.1 Corinthians 13: 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.I look at myself at how many times the Lord corrected me.. even the same sins as if I was the nation of Israel, but as the Good Shepherd, He led me away from temptations and delivered me from the evil one... He is doing it. He corrected my speech in not bearing testimony of myself in regards to the Lord's work as only He can do His work in me so I am to bear witness of my faith in Him to the world.I am sorry that you are going through a difficult time with your family..... [Content editted of personal pain and suffering in relation to my family that I love.]If I had any doubts that the Lord did not want me with them, they were gone when I moved here in Pennsylvania for the fifth grade from Iowa.The very first night, I dreamt that I went out to the mailbox to see if the mail has been forwarded that quick yet. There was none, but I turned to see my two neighbors walking across their yard from their house to the right of my new home across a lot which was their yard also into the back yard. I thought maybe someone from my family is in the backyard as they went to greet them. It was not so as moments later they walked by the open back door of the garage where I saw them as the big garage door was open for me to see that. Then they walked around to the side of the house and then instead of going to the front door, they went into the garage to knock on that door that led into the kitchen. Then that was the end of the dream.The very next day, I went out to the mailbox, and it happened the very same way.. exactly. I asked the Lord why He was showing me this as I failed to see the relevancy of this dramatic revelation of the prophetic dream. It was impressed upon me, "The stage is set. The players are in place. The die is cast." Thus if any doubt came to me that I was not to be here, the Lord reminds me of that event.I am sorry if my thread offended you or made you mad at yourself. I do not know if that be the cause of you leaving as you stated hating evil doctrines or because of my stance on the hope for the rapture event as it is for judgment being needed to fall on the House of God first, but as it is, know that I do love you in the Lord as I do all my brothers and sisters in Christ... as I seek their good in the Lord to be found abiding in Him.[Content editted of personal pain and suffering in relation to my family that I love]I had always thought of you, kriss, Denver, and a few others as sound in the faith. So what if no one accepts what I have believed about the rapture. I was using it as a call to be ready. If I am wrong, I trust the Lord to remind me and encourage me as we all go through the great tribulation, but I really don't believe I will, God be willing, since I am trusting the Lord to keep me from falling and to present me faultless for the rapture event.... and if not.. then for getting through the great tribulation. But the call is to be always ready. It isn't about when the first rapture will be as it is about being ready.Is this the reason you are leaving? My thread on "The Name of Yahshua" or my stance on the rapture? Or have you been embroiled in a conversation with heretics that you just need a break from this for now? Well, I hope the Lord will use those few scriptures I had posted to encourage you to continue in love towards those that are lost and minister the Word rightly as the Lord has been doing through you, kriss, and Denver, and a few others in regards to keeping the faith in Jesus Christ so as those that God may peradventure deliver out of the snare of the devil and be found abiding in Him when He appears.I probably made a mistake in sharing my pain with you (which I have ediited now*), but I felt like letting you know that you suffer not alone. Jesus is helping me walk through this valley of death as He will help you. I , myself, do not know if I will be back tomorrow on the internet, but I do look forward to Jesus taking me Home to be with my permanent family... and yes, I do hope my family down here may be found abiding in Him also to be there in Heaven... by the grace of God.Matthew 12: 49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.I know it is kind of futile to have fellowship on the internet, but I am hoping to see you soon as well as kriss, Denver, and many as the Lord enables to be found abiding in Him when He appears. From what brief encounters we can share through the Word in equipping the saints on the internet, we leave it to God to cause the increase. The burden of results is on the Lord, not on us, praise Him.1 Corinthians 3: 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Sorry if I offended you, Jag. If you want, I can leave just so you can be here with kriss and Denver and whomever else you love to share the faith in with to encourage one another in this fast fading world. I can limit my internet access to two forums instead of three. My folks are pressuring me to limit my time anyway on the internet, only because I would rather be with believers in Christ and hopefully help any wayward believer through the scriptures as the Lord enables me as I am called to love one another in seeking their good in the Lord. Would my going away help you to remain? Please say so, and I shall leave. I truly love ya, in Christ.
     
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    Jag, As I am praying for you, I hope these scriptures come to your encouragement and exhortation.2 Timothy 3: 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.1 Peter 3: 16Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 17For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:1 Peter 4: 15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
     
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    Thanks all for the prayers.(Pariah;23855)
    Hi Jag,Matthew 24: 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.I am wondering if my thread offended you now.. the one on "The Name of Yahshua?"I have always thought we were like-minded in Christ. I did ask in my first post for any correction if what I had come across wasn't entirely true. I hope you understand that we are all walking with the Lord, but there will be growths of maturity as well as prunings so as to bear more fruit.1 Corinthians 13: 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.I look at myself at how many times the Lord corrected me.. even the same sins as if I was the nation of Israel, but as the Good Shepherd, He led me away from temptations and delivered me from the evil one... He is doing it. He corrected my speech in not bearing testimony of myself in regards to the Lord's work as only He can do His work in me so I am to bear witness of my faith in Him to the world.I am sorry that you are going through a difficult time with your family..... [Content editted of personal pain and suffering in relation to my family that I love.]If I had any doubts that the Lord did not want me with them, they were gone when I moved here in Pennsylvania for the fifth grade from Iowa.The very first night, I dreamt that I went out to the mailbox to see if the mail has been forwarded that quick yet. There was none, but I turned to see my two neighbors walking across their yard from their house to the right of my new home across a lot which was their yard also into the back yard. I thought maybe someone from my family is in the backyard as they went to greet them. It was not so as moments later they walked by the open back door of the garage where I saw them as the big garage door was open for me to see that. Then they walked around to the side of the house and then instead of going to the front door, they went into the garage to knock on that door that led into the kitchen. Then that was the end of the dream.The very next day, I went out to the mailbox, and it happened the very same way.. exactly. I asked the Lord why He was showing me this as I failed to see the relevancy of this dramatic revelation of the prophetic dream. It was impressed upon me, "The stage is set. The players are in place. The die is cast." Thus if any doubt came to me that I was not to be here, the Lord reminds me of that event.I am sorry if my thread offended you or made you mad at yourself. I do not know if that be the cause of you leaving as you stated hating evil doctrines or because of my stance on the hope for the rapture event as it is for judgment being needed to fall on the House of God first, but as it is, know that I do love you in the Lord as I do all my brothers and sisters in Christ... as I seek their good in the Lord to be found abiding in Him.[Content editted of personal pain and suffering in relation to my family that I love]I had always thought of you, kriss, Denver, and a few others as sound in the faith. So what if no one accepts what I have believed about the rapture. I was using it as a call to be ready. If I am wrong, I trust the Lord to remind me and encourage me as we all go through the great tribulation, but I really don't believe I will, God be willing, since I am trusting the Lord to keep me from falling and to present me faultless for the rapture event.... and if not.. then for getting through the great tribulation. But the call is to be always ready. It isn't about when the first rapture will be as it is about being ready.Is this the reason you are leaving? My thread on "The Name of Yahshua" or my stance on the rapture? Or have you been embroiled in a conversation with heretics that you just need a break from this for now? Well, I hope the Lord will use those few scriptures I had posted to encourage you to continue in love towards those that are lost and minister the Word rightly as the Lord has been doing through you, kriss, and Denver, and a few others in regards to keeping the faith in Jesus Christ so as those that God may peradventure deliver out of the snare of the devil and be found abiding in Him when He appears.I probably made a mistake in sharing my pain with you (which I have ediited now*), but I felt like letting you know that you suffer not alone. Jesus is helping me walk through this valley of death as He will help you. I , myself, do not know if I will be back tomorrow on the internet, but I do look forward to Jesus taking me Home to be with my permanent family... and yes, I do hope my family down here may be found abiding in Him also to be there in Heaven... by the grace of God.Matthew 12: 49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.I know it is kind of futile to have fellowship on the internet, but I am hoping to see you soon as well as kriss, Denver, and many as the Lord enables to be found abiding in Him when He appears. From what brief encounters we can share through the Word in equipping the saints on the internet, we leave it to God to cause the increase. The burden of results is on the Lord, not on us, praise Him.1 Corinthians 3: 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Sorry if I offended you, Jag. If you want, I can leave just so you can be here with kriss and Denver and whomever else you love to share the faith in with to encourage one another in this fast fading world. I can limit my internet access to two forums instead of three. My folks are pressuring me to limit my time anyway on the internet, only because I would rather be with believers in Christ and hopefully help any wayward believer through the scriptures as the Lord enables me as I am called to love one another in seeking their good in the Lord. Would my going away help you to remain? Please say so, and I shall leave. I truly love ya, in Christ.
    Pariah, Don't leave at all. Your posts is NOT what bothers me. What bothers me is that my flesh family thinks I'm being so brainwashed because I study the KJV with Strong's Exhaustive Concordance that uses the Hebrew and Greek words. (I have no need to believe in the Kenites doctrine such as eight souls only on the ark, God saves the races) What's strange is my mother doesn't read the bible, yet believes God doesn't hate. God hates evil. Especially the Pagan Easter holiday that they (mom and her friend) thinks I'm crazy on that too.Guys, I'll still post here...thanks for the prayers everyone...but please even though I'm still going to post, please pray for me still. I love you all. I'll pray for my family as that is all I can do.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Praise the Lord!I am glad you are still posting here. [​IMG]I am also glad it wasn't my thread on "The Name of Yashua?" that bothered you.Incidentally, may I address the topic of that pagan Easter holiday? I know that you did the research on it. I am not entirely familiar with the pagan origin of Easter, but...If America lost its freedom, would it still be America?If Christianity loses the meaning of the Gospel, would it still be christianity?If the Christmas tree loses its meaning of what it represent as far as the origin, would it not be the same?If Easter loses its original meaning of its pagan's origin, can it still be considered pagan?Granted, what is of the world in its commercialization and media extrapolation of the secularism parts of the "holidays" as in Christmas and Easter, are crowding out the designated day for reminders (which is not Biblically taught to do nor keep) of Jesus Christ, still I am reminded of how we live as believers in loving one another.Romans 14:1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.There is guilt in participating in things you know that by doing so, you are endorsing what the others are knowingly are doing like sacrificing to idols as is their parctise & beliefs.1 Corinthians 8:1Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 2And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 3But if any man love God, the same is known of him. 4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 7Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. 9But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 10For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 11And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. 13Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.I believe you are strong in the faith that you can see that those that participate in Easter are not aware of the origin of Easter and even if told about it, they do not acknowledge it as they are celebrating it as a day to regard to the Lord for that is what they are doing, unless they are unbelievers, in which then they are just regarding it as a day and not actually paying reverence to its pagan's orgins which they do not acknowledge nor care to.Now if America should ever lose its freedom, and pagans decide to mock believers by changing the meaning of Easter and Christmas and make it a law to celebrate it the way they say to celebrate Christmas and Easter, then we, as believers, should refrain and choose another day to regard unto the Lord for reminding us the birth of Christ or His death, which again.. is not Biblically taught for us to do since communion is the practise for remembering and proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes, amen.... then there is a need to be seperate from the world as those Israelites were persecuted for their faith in God; so shall we be for proclaiming our faith to the world and not show partilaity to what the world's says and do in practises to deny that faith when they promote something else by the deeds of the law of the land.Anyway, Just sharing why I do not get upset about the holidays, regardless of its pagan's origins. I know what I am regarding the day for... and it is unto the Lord's.Again!!! I AM SO GLAD YOU ARE STILL POSTING HERE!!! [​IMG]
     
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    Praise the Lord!I am glad you are still posting here. [​IMG]I am also glad it wasn't my thread on "The Name of Yashua?" that bothered you.Incidentally, may I address the topic of that pagan Easter holiday? I know that you did the research on it. I am not entirely familiar with the pagan origin of Easter, but...If America lost its freedom, would it still be America?If Christianity loses the meaning of the Gospel, would it still be christianity?If the Christmas tree loses its meaning of what it represent as far as the origin, would it not be the same?If Easter loses its original meaning of its pagan's origin, can it still be considered pagan?Granted, what is of the world in its commercialization and media extrapolation of the secularism parts of the "holidays" as in Christmas and Easter, are crowding out the designated day for reminders (which is not Biblically taught to do nor keep) of Jesus Christ, still I am reminded of how we live as believers in loving one another.Romans 14:1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.There is guilt in participating in things you know that by doing so, you are endorsing what the others are knowingly are doing like sacrificing to idols as is their parctise & beliefs.1 Corinthians 8:1Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 2And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 3But if any man love God, the same is known of him. 4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 7Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. 9But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 10For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 11And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. 13Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.I believe you are strong in the faith that you can see that those that participate in Easter are not aware of the origin of Easter and even if told about it, they do not acknowledge it as they are celebrating it as a day to regard to the Lord for that is what they are doing, unless they are unbelievers, in which then they are just regarding it as a day and not actually paying reverence to its pagan's orgins which they do not acknowledge nor care to.Now if America should ever lose its freedom, and pagans decide to mock believers by changing the meaning of Easter and Christmas and make it a law to celebrate it the way they say to celebrate Christmas and Easter, then we, as believers, should refrain and choose another day to regard unto the Lord for reminding us the birth of Christ or His death, which again.. is not Biblically taught for us to do since communion is the practise for remembering and proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes, amen.... then there is a need to be seperate from the world as those Israelites were persecuted for their faith in God; so shall we be for proclaiming our faith to the world and not show partilaity to what the world's says and do in practises to deny that faith when they promote something else by the deeds of the law of the land.Anyway, Just sharing why I do not get upset about the holidays, regardless of its pagan's origins. I know what I am regarding the day for... and it is unto the Lord's.Again!!! I AM SO GLAD YOU ARE STILL POSTING HERE!!! [​IMG]
    Even though we must tell them the Truth about these pagan origins behind Easter etc... I clearly believe that Lord Yahshua would rather have us stay away from the pagan holiday, men's traditions. Other than that, we can't force it on them. As Christ said... Whosoever hath ears to hear, let him hear. We are to set an example...because they don't understand God's feelings.Sure America is not losing freedom, but it is surely losing it's God-given freedom...as they are taking out God away in many places...schools (public) churches (from the Word of God to men's tradition) pagan holidays etc...The True Gospel can not be lost...but it does lose some of it senses by translating The Bible by language to another lanuage to another another language and so on.Satan can give us to cute things in this world, yet in the inside of it is extremely ugly. It is always cute in men eyes, but in God's eyes, completely different...We must be on the alert. Satan is the ultimate mimick of God, but very opposite of God.Jag
     
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