Polytheism, "the secret Religion"

[101G]

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD".

Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me". 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else".

How clear can God get. notice he is not using the word "god", small case "g". he is using the capitalization of "G" as in God. meaning the other two person the trinitarians put in their doctrine of the trinity. the apostle Paul warned against this, Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily". for in him, for in him. not them, dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

JESUS Christ is GOD. your philosophy, and vain deceit?, YES the three in one concept, as well as the all mighty, and the mighty Gods of the Jehovah witness. a god, and another God. YES, this is the GREAT FALLING AWAY. as one have said here on this board, "millions of people believe this trinity doctrine". this is my point of the "GREAT falling away". why is it "GREAT?". because many, all, don't know that they are worshiping man made gods, or Gods. that why the subject topic "Polytheism, the secret Religion".

this deception is so good, that's why it's "secret". other secret societies try in hid their means, or agenda. but the best way to hid a religion is to put it in your face so that you can't even see it. case in point. when one read the bible. many, and I will say most, when they read the bible. they see three person. you have a father, son, and a holy spirit. all three are suppose to be one God. many have ask me, because I states that the Father and the son is the same Spirit, how can a son be his own father. well look at what you're saying. this ONE God is father to himself, and this ONE God is son to himself. and this ONE God is Holy Spirit to himself. is that not what you ask me. "how can this ONE GOD be his own son if he's ONE". that I ask you. because if they are distinct as you the trinitarians claim, then you are into Polytheism. THAT'S THE SECRET".

think about it. if this is ONE God then the Father is his own son, and vice verse. if not then you have two GODS, remember you said that there is ONE GOD. but yet separate, and distinct, see the secret?.

either you have one God, which one PERSON, or you have three God, which is three DISTINCT, INDIVIDUAL PERSON.

what you say? think about what was said before you reply.

be blessed.

 

[HammerStone]

Why must God be defined as one person? If he is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, then why must he be limited to any one presence? The God of the Bible, regardless of version, would surely not be relegated to such a limitation.

For the record, suggesting that Trinitarianism is polytheism is a terrible argument. Polytheism is the worship of multiple gods, the Trinity involves one God, three persons. They are not one in the same, and this is not some new understanding of the term that you've suddenly stumbled on to or to correct those who've misused it for millennia.

Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." - Genesis 1:26

Usually when things are repeated in 3s in the Bible in a single verse, I accept them at face value.

Sorry to be so caustic in my post, but you're making the 100,000th appearance of a bad argument, and it's always the same verses with the same tired conspiracy theory about ecumenical councils and Bible translations. Each poster seems to have stumbled on some form of revelation that everybody got it wrong and doesn't understand, so they're much smarter than the rest in seeing through this mystery of a quasi-divine or not fully divine Jesus.

He is the image of the invisible God; the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Colossians 1:15-17 ESV

 

[101G]

2 HammerStone, greeting in the name of the Lord JESUS the Christ.

hit a nerve?. and I ask you to read before you reply. Oh well.

#1. Why must God be defined as one person? If he is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, then why must he be limited to any one presence? The God of the Bible, regardless of version, would surely not be relegated to such a limitation.

a. Why must God be defined as one person?.
because he said so. Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me". just in this ONE verse alone he declared himself as "ONE PERSON", seven times.

b. If he is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, then why must he be limited to any one presence?
why not, is he not omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, as ONE PERSON. why do you have to make him into three?. NONSENSE. he's God all by "HIMSELF.

c. The God of the Bible, regardless of version, would surely not be relegated to such a limitation.
who said that he was limited?. no, me. but you need three Gods, is this what you're saying?.

#2. For the record, suggesting that Trinitarianism is polytheism is a terrible argument. Polytheism is the worship of multiple gods, the Trinity involves one God, three persons. They are not one in the same, and this is not some new understanding of the term that you've suddenly stumbled on to or to correct those who've misused it for millennia.

a. For the record, suggesting that Trinitarianism is polytheism is a terrible argument.
no argument, just the truth. the truth hurt, don't it. and two who is arguing?. telling the truth is arguing now?. I hope not.

b. Polytheism is the worship of multiple gods.
HOLD IT, STOP. that's the trinitarian problem, you use the cap "G" in God to cover your Polytheism. that why the topic. you think Polytheism is about other gods, using the small case "g" in gods. no, you better re-read Isaiah 45:21. he said, "and there is no God else beside me". see that capital "G", not gods, but your Big "G" that you use in your trinity of three.

c. Trinity involves one God, three persons. They are not one in the same.
see hammer, boy oh boy. when you say they, and then you compound it with, "not the same". there, you have just step into Polytheism, meaning more than one GOD, or gods. see how blind you still are?. you can't see your own mistake. that's why it's secret. you can't see it.

d. correct those who've misused it for millennia.
YES, and another YES, listen, 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". must I say more?.

#3. Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." - Genesis 1:26
Usually when things are repeated in 3s in the Bible in a single verse, I accept them at face value.

GOOD, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created". he is repeated
now the (net bible). Genesis 5:1 "This is the record of the family line of Adam. When God created humankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female; when they were created, he blessed them and named them “humankind.”. well now, look like the HE have it ONE PERSON. I suggest you read my post under the topic "The Godhead". and understand Genesis 1:26.

#4. Sorry to be so caustic in my post, but you're making the 100,000th appearance of a bad argument, and it's always the same verses with the same tired conspiracy theory about ecumenical councils and Bible translations. Each poster seems to have stumbled on some form of revelation that everybody got it wrong and doesn't understand, so they're much smarter than the rest in seeing through this mystery of a quasi-divine or not fully divine Jesus.

a. Sorry to be so caustic in my post, but you're making the 100,000th appearance of a bad argument.
100,000 and 1. . caustic?, we all are grown here. and two we have armor, I hope so. but what you said, was only rain water, or wells without water to me. Oh well.

b. and it's always the same verses with the same tired conspiracy theory about ecumenical councils and Bible translations. Each poster seems to have stumbled on some form of revelation that everybody got it wrong and doesn't understand, so they're much smarter than the rest in seeing through this mystery of a quasi-divine or not fully divine Jesus.

well you don't have to hear the truth. but someone might want to miss hell. and if you think you're so right, why worry?.

#5. He is the image of the invisible God; the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Colossians 1:15-17 ESV

so how many PERSON is that hammer, ONLY ONE. ONLY ONE CREATED EVERYTHING. ONLY ONE REDEEMED, AND SAVED US, (well most of us). AND ONLY ONE COMFORT, AND MEDIATES for us.

so don't take it personally if your doctrine is a lie by men. that's ok, there are many who believe the same lie. so you're in good company, maybe not good, but in many of company. the devil have blinded, and deceived the WHOLE WORLD. I'm just trying to get people to see the GODLY truth of this matter. I suggest you re-read my op S..L..O...W...L....Y. thanks in advance

be blessed.

 

[HammerStone]

I think you're incredibly confused on the word person, and I can see no point in going further from my end. (You're clearly confusing being/essence and person.)

You're locked in on the notion of 1 body = 1 person, and that my friend is a woefully inadquate understanding of God.

My only question for you at this point is can you affirm that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man?

 

[101G]

2 HammerStone,

#1. I think you're incredibly confused on the word person, and I can see no point in going further from my end. (You're clearly confusing being/essence and person.)

a. God is not the author of confusion. so come out of Babylon (the trinity doctrine), which is another name for confusion.

b. You're clearly confusing being/essence and person.
I didn't come up with those terms. your makers of your trinity did.

c. "I think", now hammer that dangerous, especially if you don't know.

d. I can see no point in going further from my end.
that's ok. but you have seen, and that's enough. you will be held for what you know. for I have told you so. it's too late for anyone who reads this topic. because you will have come in contact with the truth. and you must give an account of why or why not you believe or not. if you hear and refuse to obey, then its on you.

#2. You're locked in on the notion of 1 body = 1 person, and that my friend is a woefully inadquate understanding of God.
that's your opinion, not mine or the bible. for the bible is clear, Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power". so hammer, are you in his "BODY"?, which is his flesh. you have no clue to that verse, do you. that's why the topic.

My only question for you at this point is can you affirm that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man?
CORRECTION, fully SPIRIT, only manifested in the flesh.

 

[Niki]

d. I can see no point in going further from my end.
that's ok. but you have seen, and that's enough. you will be held for what you know. for I have told you so. it's too late for anyone who reads this topic. because you will have come in contact with the truth. and you must give an account of why or why not you believe or not. if you hear and refuse to obey, then its on you.

you sound quite cheerful about telling others you have the power to condemn them by YOUR words

I bet you are just as human as the rest of us

Yeah, good thing God is God and no one else is

Even God does not condemn with relish and glee...why is it that all these self appointed prophets and biblical expositors seem to take such joy in condemning others?

 

[101G]

2 Niki, greeting.

you sound quite cheerful about telling others you have the power to condemn them by YOUR words
I bet you are just as human as the rest of us
Yeah, good thing God is God and no one else is

a. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved".
so telling the truth of JESUS Christ is now condemnation?.
Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets (the secret religion of Polytheism), of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel".

b. Yes, the telling of the good news is cheerful. are you not cheerful in hearing the truth?. . be of good cheer.

 

[Angelina]

101G

c. Trinity involves one God, three persons. They are not one in the same.
see hammer, boy oh boy. when you say they, and then you compound it with, "not the same". there, you have just step into Polytheism, meaning more than one GOD, or gods. see how blind you still are?. you can't see your own mistake. that's why it's secret. you can't see it.

Hebrews 1
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,


“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?

Or again,

“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”?

6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

7 In speaking of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”

8 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”

13 To which of the angels did God ever say,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”?

yeah right! <_<

 

[aspen]

101G - you have mentioned that you cannot see yourself elaborating on your mistaken view of God any longer, yet, you keep starting new threads or hijacking others and bringing them back to arguments against the trinity. You need to realize that no one here who has a correct understanding about the Trinity will agree with you. You may as well be arguing that Jesus was really a women,

 

[101G]

Hebrews 1
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?Or again,“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”?6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,“Let all God’s angels worship him.”7 In speaking of the angels he says,“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”8 But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”10 He also says,“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”13 To which of the angels did God ever say,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”?

yeah right! <_<


2 A, greeting in the name of the Lord JESUS Christ.
LOL, LOL, LOL.
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom".

Now, if they are not the same. question, who laid the foundation of the earth.

and in Revelation chapter 5 who sit, and who mstand?. well

yeah right! <_<

 

[Angelina]

This thread is locked as I see it as another fruitless, divisive, circular argument.... :huh: