Porn free!

[Tommy061]

Eph 5:1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.

Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

Eph 5:3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints.

These powerful verses should dispel the notion that porn watching is OK with God! It’s so disheartening to see so many pastors, young and old men, addicted to one of the must selfish, self-indulgent, and lustful addictions known to man.

And how can you be an imitator of God, and addicted to porn at the same time?

Jesus said this to you porn watchers:

Mat 6:22 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.

Mat 6:23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

If you love, and walk in the power of love, that love Jesus portrayed by dying on the cross on your behalf, offering up himself as a spotless sin offering, a sweet smelling aroma, for the single purpose or redeeming you from ever lawless deed including porn, then How on earth can you think you are OK with God, when He called you to do this:

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

The addiction to porn in all its disgusting forms is rampant today, but more so from those who claim to be born again, and filled with the spirit. Pastors, ministers, many married men who claim to be of God, as well as the youth, they have no power over it, and no desire to forsake it in repentance, so they can have that power through the shed blood of Christ!

Some will say it’s a disease, other will say its normal, and still others especially the porn watching church will say, “all men do it” “it’s every man’s battle” and we must cope with it and have sympathy for the ones addicted to it, especially the pastors and leaders of the church. So go and join Promise keepers, (breakers) and learn how to cope with your vile addiction that is destroying your relationships and your soul!

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'

Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

To say that porn watching is ‘normal” or just something men do, and it’s not like actually committing it in the flesh, or not really adultery, is taking the words of Jesus Christ, and making them of no effect.

Lust begins in the mind, not in the flesh, a free will choice, and is the same as having an affair of the mind with the pornographic images, that prove whom you love more!

The flesh must be crucified with Christ, once and for all, in a real heart cleansing repentance that produces something miraculous in the heart, mind and soul, that will result in a real heart purity, where this perverted and selfish addiction is destroyed forever, never to be repeated again.

This was the whole purpose of why Jesus had to die on the cross, it was not to leave you in bondage to your selfish and lustful desires, but to destroy the works of the devil, and anybody who is addicted to porn is of the devil, worshipping at his alter every time they click on a site and open up their mind to the gates of hell!

Isa 52:11 Depart! Depart! Go out from there, Touch no unclean thing; Go out from the midst of her, Be clean, You who bear the vessels of the LORD.

Are you a vessel for the Lord? Or are you a vessel for the most filthy and unclean addiction known to man? (Satan) Your answer will determine your eternal destiny!



1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

And who are you going to run with? The vain things of this world (porn) that will drag you to hell, or with Christ, who loved you enough, and died to set you free once and for all!

Tommy

 

[Wormwood]

Good word Tommy.

 

[Sword]

Tommy

I would not call this a good word I would say there is NO love in it. Jesus never spoke to anyone in that manner. And in Him is NO None Zero condemnation. I see what you want to say. But I clearly see you dont know how to draw a brother in in love. Not saying am great at that either. But I dont see any love for anyone in your post. Only condemnation. You are talking like everyone in addiction can stop just like that. Jesus said You can do NOTHING of your self. I dont see you teaching us how you got completly free from it? satan (with a small "s" give him no plave in your life) is the accuser and you seem to be lining up right along side him. Why dont you line up with Jesus and teach people in love that it is actuuly possible to get away from the very thing you talk of. Tell us how you got along side Jesus and He lead you to freedom?

 

[ghostly]

You can quote scriptures until the cows come home and the sun itself burns out but you'll never help anyone get free from their addiction to pornography by doing so. The solution is not in merely knowing it's wrong. Everyone knows in their heart it's wrong. The OP seems to be implying that if people merely understand that this addiction is wrong, then they'll stop. Are you kidding me?! Addiction in any form -- be it to drugs, alcohol, tobacco, gambling, pornography, etc. -- is a cruel master that you can't get free of simply by recognizing that it's bad, and/or that God's not ok with it. Except that you be given the grace to be delivered of this horrible affliction, you will remain enslaved to it.

 

[Wormwood]

Tommy simply is relating the evils of pornography and that Christians should not excuse such evil behavior. I don't know how anyone can object to his post.


“Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.” (James 4:7–10, NIV84)


Unless someone takes responsibility for their sin and sees it for the evil it is, they will not repent, humble themselves, and draw near to God. We should grieve over sin, not excuse it. Grace belongs to the mournful and repentant, not the indifferent.

 

[Sword]

Tommy simply is relating the evils of pornography and that Christians should not excuse such evil behavior. I don't know how anyone can object to his post.


“Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.” (James 4:7–10, NIV84)


Unless someone takes responsibility for their sin and sees it for the evil it is, they will not repent, humble themselves, and draw near to God. We should grieve over sin, not excuse it. Grace belongs to the mournful and repentant, not the indifferent.

So we can deal with our sin and its just a matter of well today I am done with porn.
Really. Is that what you did.
Are you done with porn? when the alst time you looked? Like did you stop years ago. and now you dont even look at you niebours wife and the tv and the girls on the street or in the pool? You will know them by there fruits. SO looking at how you talk in here tells me you are not walking where you are making on you are walking. I can see how deep you went with God on the way you talk. and all we done is contradict eaxh other since day one. so someone has it wrong.

There are very few people teaching what you are quoting propery teaching how it is achievable. I know of four. But you dont believe nothing of what I said so far. So there is no point pointing you to them.

 

[Wormwood]

So we can deal with our sin and its just a matter of well today I am done with porn.
Really. Is that what you did.
Are you done with porn? when the alst time you looked? Like did you stop years ago. and now you dont even look at you niebours wife and the tv and the girls on the street or in the pool? You will know them by there fruits. SO looking at how you talk in here tells me you are not walking where you are making on you are walking. I can see how deep you went with God on the way you talk. and all we done is contradict eaxh other since day one. so someone has it wrong.

There are very few people teaching what you are quoting propery teaching how it is achievable. I know of four. But you dont believe nothing of what I said so far. So there is no point pointing you to them.

What are you talking about? No, I don't look at porn. That doesn't make me better than another person who did look at porn today. I never said that and neither did Tommy. We are saying it is evil, sinful and God hates it. There is no excuse for it and the wrath of God is coming on the world for such sins. Therefore, we shouldn't act like it is no big deal or something we shouldn't strive to rid ourselves of with all our might.

Are you suggesting that if I look too long at my neighbor's wife that I might as well go ahead and view porn every day....because...oh well, we are bound to mess up somewhere anyway? I mean, by that rationale, why not go kill my neighbor and take his car. After all, maybe I coveted his car once when he drove by. Why restrain ourselves at all? If we restrain ourselves, aren't we simply trying to earn righteousness and limit grace!? This is utter foolishness and you know it. Look, if you are looking at porn, you need to stop, repent and seek God's mercy. You may even want to trash your computer and do whatever you can to rid yourself of that temptation. Excusing sinful acts with the excuse of "nobody's perfect" is to twist grace and make it a license to do evil so God's grace can abound. Paul was not at all favorable with this kind of twisted soteriology.

“And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.” (Romans 3:8, ESV)

 

[Sword]

I see you avoided my questions.
I asked when did you last look and how did you get free from it. You are talking like you are free from sexual sin.
Looking at you nieghbours wife is sexual sin same as porn no difference.
Many people have trashed there computor. they then run to books or videos or what ever. spying on a nieghbour.
Sp instead of condeming unlike Jesus who never came to condem, but you two have the right to. Why dont you tell the guys how you got COMPLETLY free and are now never involved in sexual sin and that would also include with your own wife.

 

[Wormwood]

I am not avoiding your questions, I am pointing out how your questions are misguided and irrelevant. As I said, I am not claiming to be holier and better than anyone. We are all sinners. However, that is no excuse to indulge in sin. Sin IS a big deal and especially sexual sin. We should be ashamed of it, loathe it and do all in our power to rid ourselves of it. And since we have the power of the Holy Spirit in our lives, this should not be viewed as a burden or an impossibility. Don't you believe in the power of the Spirit to transform lives and behaviors?

 

[Sword]

Ok so you are still involved in porn then?
I love how you all in all the things that I never said anything about. You are talking as if I said thing that you are now correcting in me or for me.
I said it would help if either you. or the OP would tell us all how you are now porn free. But you clearly are not. So now we need to go to the OP and ask if he would share how he is now porn free.
So why are you saying my questions are

misguided and irrelevant

You are doing the same thing in this thread running off with many other things. I could spend half a night here answering all you said.
Lets try and keep it simple answer the questions you are asked.
So really you are theone who is bring in things that really are irrealivant. all we want here is someone anyone to tell people how to get free from an addiction. You both spoke like it was achiveable and now when pressed all of a sudden you cant say you are free. It looked like you were in your fisrt post.

 

[Wormwood]

Ok so you are still involved in porn then?
I love how you all in all the things that I never said anything about. You are talking as if I said thing that you are now correcting in me or for me.
I said it would help if either you. or the OP would tell us all how you are now porn free. But you clearly are not. So now we need to go to the OP and ask if he would share how he is now porn free.
So why are you saying my questions are


You are doing the same thing in this thread running off with many other things. I could spend half a night here answering all you said.
Lets try and keep it simple answer the questions you are asked.
So really you are theone who is bring in things that really are irrealivant. all we want here is someone anyone to tell people how to get free from an addiction. You both spoke like it was achiveable and now when pressed all of a sudden you cant say you are free. It looked like you were in your fisrt post.

What is your problem? I told you I do not look at porn. I simply praise another brother for his post about the dangers of sexual sin and you come along and try to accuse me and the OP of all kinds of sin. I am under no obligation to answer anything you ask. If your questions are ridiculous, off topic, personal or insolent, I am under no obligation to answer them. Personally, I feel no need to justify myself to you in any way. I don't know why this has you so riled up. It seems you are either trying to justify yourself for your own shortcomings or are just looking to be argumentative...once again.

So are you saying that looking at porn is no big deal? Are you saying people should not repent of this behavior? Again, I am trying to understand why a simple post about the dangers of such sins is so offensive to you.

 

[mjrhealth]

Lust
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Porn central. Go to a beach or anywhere in summer, I truly wonder how many of you men could walk past a half dressed women and not look, go on tell teh world how you beat your flesh into submission, and its not difernt for women euther. We speak of this if it is a male only problem for porn to exist than women must be invloved.

 

[Sword]

What is your problem?

I am sorry you feel me asking some very serious questions, that you think I have a problem,
If there is a problem in this public discussion. For me it is the misteachiing and threatning post from the OP,
I never saw Jesus speaking in that manner. If you did please quote Him starting at the prostitutes He dealt with?

I told you I do not look at porn.

Yes you did and it was unclear if that was I never look at porn and am completly porn free. and that would also have to include sexual sin free aswell. Becaue porn or sexual sin, theres no difference.
And if you were that. I think it would be beificial to the whole Christ world for you to share how you got into that condiction. So yes you said you dont look at porn. You just never told if you are 100% free of it and how you got there. So it might look like I have a problem but I am looking at the bigger picture of how you can help all the others who are not free and heading to hell according to you and the OP.
So please dont take it personal, its for the benifit of all in here. I am aware its a pulic forum and you are a teacher an all. So its either true you are free and abail to teach us how you got there so we can get there. Or its not true and you kinds stuck now. with either lying to us or teaching us.
Would be great if its true. God says what He will do for one He will do for another.

I simply praise another brother for his post about the dangers of sexual sin and you come along and try to accuse me and the OP of all kinds of sin.

Yes you did praise a brother for a post about the dangers of sin. Unfurtunatly the brother over stepped the mark on what Jesus did or didnt do when He was teaching.
Please quote where I accused you of anything? And please dont skip this in your reply. I seen you do that a lot so far.
And also quote where I accused the brother of anything?

I am under no obligation to answer anything you ask.

Correct you are under no obligation to answer anything I ask you.
I just think if I was free from an addiction that has so many brothers and sister in bondage and new full well as you already said. That they are in danger of going into a lost eternity. I would have thought you as a leader and teacher would want to share that and perhaps save some brothers and sisters fron the gates of hell. So is it true you dont want to share how you got free and help the rest of us?

If your questions are ridiculous, off topic, personal or insolent,

No its not of topic. Its not ridiculous. I cant see why you would think its insolent. All I want is people set free Just like Jesus does and I am sure you do to. So I seen a huge oppertuinty for you to share this huge block in the Christian world. But you think its "off topic, personal or insolent,"
Its not personnal try seeing it from the bigger picture.

I am under no obligation to answer them. Personally, I feel no need to justify myself to you in any way.

I coverd this. Just feel you have the answer to a big problem and should help everyone. Espicially with you teacher heart.

I don't know why this has you so riled up. It seems you are either trying to justify yourself for your own shortcomings or are just looking to be argumentative...once again.

I am sitting in perfect peace here. I am here and willing to talk and share my experiances . I am not riled. But you are the one who is closeing down and doesnt want to share or help others. There is very little benifit for me here. I am not here for me. I am here to share what most in here dont know. Tounges healing etc.

The first rules in an argument is try an dreverse it. If I had the answer t porn through experiance I would have ignored this post made my own post on how to be free. But you seem to no want to help your brothers. I am looking to the two men who said the are free from porn. Why are you angry at me for trying to find an answer only you two might know? This is to important to miss brother. Please dont be upset or angry I am looking for freedom. I could and probably will in another thread share my experiance on how to be free from porn. But its only a guide line and it doesnt involve telling every one there going to hell. So please if your porn free tell us how it happened? Tell us how Jesus lead you through . Becaue we all know for a fact you will not do it on your own.

So are you saying that looking at porn is no big deal? Are you saying people should not repent of this behavior? Again, I am trying to understand why a simple post about the dangers of such sins is so offensive to you.

I never said looking at porn is no big deal YOU said that. I never said people should not repent. You said that.
Its the lies that are offencive in the OP.
To cap. If you are free from porn please share and help prevent your brothers and sister to get free just like you. I mean that the whold bible right there. Helping a brother.

 

[tabletalk]

I would not call this a good word I would say there is NO love in it. Jesus never spoke to anyone in that manner.

Every Scripture verse that Tommy quoted was a good word spoken by Jesus. And He spoke it to everyone. And He spoke it in love.

 

[Sword]

Every Scripture verse that Tommy quoted was a good word spoken by Jesus. And He spoke it to everyone. And He spoke it in love.

We know what Jesus done. Its what tommy says that cause a problem. Please reread what tommy said his own thought s and additions.

 

[Josho]

Good post Tommy, there's no need for debate here, Tommy is simply speaking a forgotten truth, and it's a big problem among my generation today, a lot of Christians need to know the reasons why porn is not okay and damaging to our spiritual health and damaging to others. Mjrhealth as hard as it maybe, walking down the street in this modern day world, you can learn *not to take any notice*, remembering self-control is also a fruit of the Spirit, you can choose to look away, or simply take no notice, if you have read a book blankly or watch tv blankly before, just like the other night I was watching the footy on tv, and I had a blank moment, i did not know who just kicked a goal, just like that I'm sure you can make half dressed people at the beach look like a blur or blank in your view too. I believe if you were to fill your mind with Godly thoughts and Jesus stuff, of course not by one's own strength but by the help of the Holy Spirit, those Godly thoughts can overpower your 5 senses and a beach would only look like a beach to you, since your mind would be filled with such goodness, then you have won the battle of the mind. I hope Tommy's original post helps others to understand.

God Bless You Tommy for speaking the truth.

 

[Wormwood]

I am sorry you feel me asking some very serious questions, that you think I have a problem,

If there is a problem in this public discussion. For me it is the misteachiing and threatning post from the OP,
I never saw Jesus speaking in that manner. If you did please quote Him starting at the prostitutes He dealt with?

If you see that post as threatening, I think it says more about you than the post.

Yes you did and it was unclear if that was I never look at porn and am completly porn free. and that would also have to include sexual sin free aswell. Becaue porn or sexual sin, theres no difference.
And if you were that. I think it would be beificial to the whole Christ world for you to share how you got into that condiction. So yes you said you dont look at porn. You just never told if you are 100% free of it and how you got there. So it might look like I have a problem but I am looking at the bigger picture of how you can help all the others who are not free and heading to hell according to you and the OP.

1. I don't see the difference between not looking at porn and being "porn free." Isn't someone who does not look at pornography porn free?
2. I think you are confusing lust with porn. Porn is short for pornography. Pornography is a term for pictures and videos of a sexually explicit nature. That is not the same as going to the beach and noticing an attractive woman.
3. I never said those who struggle with porn are going to hell. I said porn is a terrible sin and all people should resist it and turn from it. No one who claims to have the Holy Spirit should be okay with observing pornography. We should seek to be pure, just as he is pure.

So please dont take it personal, its for the benifit of all in here. I am aware its a pulic forum and you are a teacher an all. So its either true you are free and abail to teach us how you got there so we can get there. Or its not true and you kinds stuck now. with either lying to us or teaching us.
Would be great if its true. God says what He will do for one He will do for another.

Again, I think you are confusing lust with addiction to pornography. Addiction to pornography is a form of lust but not all lust includes addiction to pornography. As for when I have struggled with lust and sexual sins, I spent a great deal of time repenting of those sins and praying for God to change my heart. God is faithful. I would not say I am immune to lust. However, God has certainly heard my prayer and helps me to not desire those things. Whatever strength I have comes from the Lord, I certainly would not ever say I have achieved anything on my own.

Yes you did praise a brother for a post about the dangers of sin. Unfurtunatly the brother over stepped the mark on what Jesus did or didnt do when He was teaching.

Hmm, seems like most on here disagree with you on that.

Please quote where I accused you of anything? And please dont skip this in your reply. I seen you do that a lot so far.
And also quote where I accused the brother of anything?

Very well, and for the record, you are implying that I avoid your questions because I have something to hide. This is not the case. I do not avoid your questions unless I feel they are personal or insolent. I am not one to go tit for tat. Here are just a few quotes to show you how you have accused people (myself included) in this thread.

"I said it would help if either you. or the OP would tell us all how you are now porn free. But you clearly are not."
"satan (with a small "s" give him no plave in your life) is the accuser and you seem to be lining up right along side him."
"SO looking at how you talk in here tells me you are not walking where you are making on you are walking. I can see how deep you went with God on the way you talk."
"Sp instead of condeming unlike Jesus who never came to condem, but you two have the right to."

So, basically you have accused me of being a porn addict, that I accuse people alongside satan, that I have a shallow relationship with God and that I feel I have the right to condemn people.

Ok, my turn. Show me where I condemned an individual. Show me where I accused someone. I have said that pornography is a horrible sin and people should flee from it. I said I am not holier than anyone. I said that grace is not a license to indulge in sin. I don't know anything about you. I never condemned you or anyone for that matter. If you struggle with pornography, I believe you should repent and do everything in your power to flee from it. I understand that it may not be easy, but that doesn't mean we indulge in sin because it is hard to resist. If you don't struggle with pornography, I don't know why you are so worked up about this. Do you not believe pornography is sinful and Christians should strive to live holy lives?

Correct you are under no obligation to answer anything I ask you.

We finally agree on something :).

I just think if I was free from an addiction that has so many brothers and sister in bondage and new full well as you already said. That they are in danger of going into a lost eternity. I would have thought you as a leader and teacher would want to share that and perhaps save some brothers and sisters fron the gates of hell. So is it true you dont want to share how you got free and help the rest of us?

Didnt Jesus come to set prisoners free? Look, I don't have any "secret." Grace, prayer and faith are the tools of every believer. Either we believe God can forgive us and empower us to change when we persistently call on Him, or we don't. We all struggle with sin, but your comments make it sound like we shouldn't try to resist sin. That we should just indulge ourselves, because, hey, nobody's perfect. That's not a Christian outlook. The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead lives in his people. I believe that Spirt can empower people to overcome addictions with much prayer and calling for mercy and strength. Can you imagine if the blind man quit calling to Jesus because, well, we all have weak bodies. God wants to be glorified in his saints and that happens when we become holy and transformed by the power of his indwelling Spirit. God is not glorified when we wallow in sin and act as if God's Spirit is impotent to make a difference in our lives or that porn is stronger than the Holy Spirit.

I never said looking at porn is no big deal YOU said that. I never said people should not repent. You said that.
Its the lies that are offencive in the OP.
To cap. If you are free from porn please share and help prevent your brothers and sister to get free just like you. I mean that the whold bible right there. Helping a brother.

The OP only stated that porn was a sin and that many self-proclaimed Christians refuse to repent of it or try to forsake it. You have objected to this OP, so I can only assume that you reject the idea that Christians should repent of and forsake looking at porn. I don't know how this is so complicated. Can you quote specifically what you object to in the OP because previously you indicated the whole post was off base....so I can only conclude that you rejected these statements.

 

[mjrhealth]

I believe that Spirt can empower people to overcome addictions with much prayer and calling for mercy and strength

2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong

A pefect christan has no need of Christ, and gives one reason to boast of his works, teh imperfect christian cries out to Jesus daily because of His flesh and glorifies God when he is set free. I hear lot bout the sinless christian just never met one.

 

[Sword]

If you see that post as threatening, I think it says more about you than the post.

earn how to cope with your vile addiction that is destroying your relationships and your soul!

That is a threat that is untrue,

Are you a vessel for the Lord? Or are you a vessel for the most filthy and unclean addiction known to man? (Satan) Your answer will determine your eternal destiny!

I cant see why you think this is not a threat and many more which tommy posted.
You think it says more about me. What does it say about me. The scriptures are correct. tommys explianation of them is a threat.

1. I don't see the difference between not looking at porn and being "porn free." Isn't someone who does not look at pornography porn free?

Sin is sin. But you think lust is less than looking at porn. You dont get to decide God said sin is all the same. They are both the same at any level of time spent on either.

2. I think you are confusing lust with porn. Porn is short for pornography. Pornography is a term for pictures and videos of a sexually explicit nature. That is not the same as going to the beach and noticing an attractive woman.

I think you are misleading people by saying lust for a woman on the street is not as bad as lusting after porn every day.

3. I never said those who struggle with porn are going to hell. I said porn is a terrible sin and all people should resist it and turn from it. No one who claims to have the Holy Spirit should be okay with observing pornography. We should seek to be pure, just as he is pure.

Oh yes you did.

Good word Tommy.

50.000 denominations who cant agree you numbers mean Zero. I know why most agree with you. its just typical past 1600 years church teachimng. We dont teach acts today. We talk it. we dont fulfull it.

Are you a vessel for the Lord? Or are you a vessel for the most filthy and unclean addiction known to man? (Satan) Your answer will determine your eternal destiny!

You agreed with tommy that if you look at porn you will go to hell.

We all know porn addiction is a sin. no worse than any other. But again you think there are degrees of sin. If only you could stop pushing different levels of sin. its not biblical.

gain, I think you are confusing lust with addiction to pornography. Addiction to pornography is a form of lust but not all lust includes addiction to pornography. As for when I have struggled with lust and sexual sins, I spent a great deal of time repenting of those sins and praying for God to change my heart. God is faithful. I would not say I am immune to lust. However, God has certainly heard my prayer and helps me to not desire those things. Whatever strength I have comes from the Lord, I certainly would not ever say I have achieved anything on my own.

No they are the same. Sin is sin show me scripture to show other wise. This is exactly why I said are you free from sexual sin. So you are still the same. and by your own admission are in danger of going to hell. Because you agreed with tommy on all points. Good post tommy you said.

So God has helped you to reach what might be called a better place than where you were, Great why was that so hard to share.
If you would be a little more specific in the type of prayer that would help also?

Hmm, seems like most on here disagree with you on that.

50.000 denominations who cant agree you numbers mean Zero.

No amount agreeing with you makes you or tommy correct. Better to bring in scripture as oppose to your thoughts and theres.

Very well, and for the record, you are implying that I avoid your questions because I have something to hide. This is not the case. I do not avoid your questions unless I feel they are personal or insolent. I am not one to go tit for tat. Here are just a few quotes to show you how you have accused people (myself included) in this thread.

You do tit for tat just fine.
I asked you to share how you got free from porn. I dont know why you keeped it a secret untill now to share and perhaps help someone in the same condiction you had. I dont know why you find that insolent.

"I said it would help if either you. or the OP would tell us all how you are now porn free.
"satan (with a small "s" give him no plave in your life) is the accuser and you seem to be lining up right along side him."
"SO looking at how you talk in here tells me you are not walking where you are making on you are walking. I can see how deep you went with God on the way you talk."
"Sp instead of condeming unlike Jesus who never came to condem, but you two have the right to."

Well I asked you to help set others free with your testimony. You were not willing to help brothers and sisters and I obvioulsy presummed you were still in bobdage. AND YOU SIAD YOU STILL ARE. SO I was correct. You are still in a vile disgusting sin. Doesnt sound nice when it is directed at you does it. Maybe if you read tommys post again you might see the treat in there when you direct it at your self?
So by your own addmission you are not free. Took an awful long time to drag that out of you.
But as I said dont you think you are any different to anyone who is addicted and trapped in porn. Sin is sin Lust is lust and all are wrong.

Ok, my turn. Show me where I condemned an individual. Show me where I accused someone. I have said that pornography is a horrible sin and people should flee from it. I said I am not holier than anyone. I said that grace is not a license to indulge in sin. I don't know anything about you. I never condemned you or anyone for that matter. If you struggle with pornography, I believe you should repent and do everything in your power to flee from it. I understand that it may not be easy, but that doesn't mean we indulge in sin because it is hard to resist. If you don't struggle with pornography, I don't know why you are so worked up about this. Do you not believe pornography is sinful and Christians should strive to live holy lives?

Ahh your turn like you have something solid to stand on.
You agreed with tommy that they are going to hell if they look at porn. But if they achive your position of only lusting after attractive woman, they are in a better place and wont go to hell.
And so is looking at attractive woman on the beach street or anywhere else. No one said its ok to indulge in ANY sin. This is about sexual sin. Including with you wife. That I mentioned for the second time. I am not worked up. You are falsly assuming. See you think if someone disagrees they must be upset. Is that a reflection of how you think and act. what are you basing that on.
Everyone believes sexual sin of any kind is wrong and should be repented of. You are pulling out of context what I am saying.
My point is Tommy and you are agreeing that people will go to hell if they dont stop porn. Full stop. we all know that all tommys scriptures are correct and undisputible. Gods word is final.

We finally agree on something :).

We are agreed on a lot more than you are seeing. I never said a single word against any scriptures. Its tommy discription of what He thinks is the truth that cause a problem. Not a problem for me because I can see right through Tommys thinking and your agrement of tommys thinking. Its not bible. Jesus NEVER said what Tommy did. That was Tommy.

Didnt Jesus come to set prisoners free? Look, I don't have any "secret." Grace, prayer and faith are the tools of every believer. Either we believe God can forgive us and empower us to change when we persistently call on Him, or we don't. We all struggle with sin,

Indeed/ No one is disagreeing with this.

but your comments make it sound like we shouldn't try to resist sin.

 

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PART TWO
Which comment of mine makes you think this?

That we should just indulge ourselves, because, hey, nobody's perfect.

Same which comments indicates that?

The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead lives in his people. I believe that Spirt can empower people to overcome addictions with much prayer and calling for mercy and strength.

As I said we are agreed on more than you know because you never asked.

God wants to be glorified in his saints and that happens when we become holy and transformed by the power of his indwelling Spirit.

We are holy now. It does not happen when we get holy. You have no scripture for things happen when we Get holy.
I am holy now samctified now. I am justified now. I am hidden in Christ now. I am and aire now. I am a joint aire with Christ Now.
We aint getting holy by our own process.
God does want to be glirified through the saints Now. As we lay hands on the sick. Seen two healed today in our church. One guy prayed for one and I prayed for one. Both got healed. 15 second prayer. The pian tried moving on the woman I prayed for. She then got a sore back. I prayed again . at the end she was pain free.

God is not glorified when we wallow in sin and act as if God's Spirit is impotent to make a difference in our lives or that porn is stronger than the Holy Spirit.

And we are agreed again.

The OP only stated that porn was a sin and that many self-proclaimed Christians refuse to repent of it or try to forsake it. You have objected to this OP,

No the OP stated you are going to hell if you look at porn. and you agreed. I dont care if he said far to mant are being robbed of Gods glory and God is being robbed becaue of a vile disgusting thing/sin etc. Its the damnation he briought with His own words that ARE NOT scripture.
There were great verses. and sin has to be dealt with. What he and you are preaching does not work.

You have objected to this OP, so I can only assume that you reject the idea that Christians should repent of and forsake looking at porn.

You clearly have no interest in saying what I actully said do you.
I clearly said in a very short post that there was NO LOVE in his post.
YOU added an awfull lot to this thread that was not needed. You done the same in other threads. You keep adding more and more and it only brings confusion.
Really all you can think is the worst of me? You could see why I posted what I did so far. You think all I said points towards No one should repent.
That is quite pathetic. You said you are a leader/ preacher. There is far to much of YOU in every thing you write in here. Have a look and think about that.

Can you quote specifically what you object to in the OP because previously you indicated the whole post was off base....so I can only conclude that you rejected these statements.

There is no LOVE in his post. There is love in the scriptures there is love in leading to repentance. there is love in the whole bible that I can see.
I never saw love in tommys post.

I never said the whole post is off. That was you who said that. Here is what I said again for you. How you came to your assumptions and conclusions is almost beyond me. But like I said I seen it so many times its called relgion. And you are steeped in traditional church teaching.
I was to, but I am now free of religion.

I would not call this a good word I would say there is NO love in it. Jesus never spoke to anyone in that manner. And in Him is NO None Zero condemnation. I see what you want to say. But I clearly see you dont know how to draw a brother in in love. Not saying am great at that either. But I dont see any love for anyone in your post. Only condemnation. You are talking like everyone in addiction can stop just like that. Jesus said You can do NOTHING of your self. I dont see you teaching us how you got completly free from it? satan (with a small "s" give him no plave in your life) is the accuser and you seem to be lining up right along side him. Why dont you line up with Jesus and teach people in love that it is actuuly possible to get away from the very thing you talk of. Tell us how you got along side Jesus and He lead you to freedom?

So as I reread my post. I dont know how you could conclud what you did.